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Thanks Stevana, but I already posted this on the CCC thread.
     
     
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Opps, your right Urbanboy, I thought I saw it somewhere. btw you can call me Steve stevena sounds kinda weird hehe

I dont remember if this has been posted recently though

U. to identify finalists for commercial development on campus

By Brian Maffly
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 08/11/2008 03:10:13 AM MDT

Working from a short list of four developers, University of Utah officials next week will select two finalists for designing its ambitious mixed-use commercial project on the Rice Eccles Stadium parking lot. The U. is scheduled to designate one a "preferred" developer on Aug. 18 to start cooking up the Universe Project, which calls for retail, apartments, university offices, restaurants and entertainment.

The Universe Project grew out of the U.'s new Campus Master Plan, which calls for a transit-oriented development (TOD) at the southwest
corner of campus where currently TRAX riders detrain and walk along an asphalt desert on their way to inner campus.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10141833
     
     
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Yes Steve, that was posted too. I think it was Projects who posted that.
     
     
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Well the article came out today so its sort new-ish haha

anyway here is a better article on the Sugarhouse streetcar.

Link: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10152141

From the article: "You're going to see streetcars coming into the core of downtown," Harpst said.

City transportation boss Tim Harpst said the next link that might make sense is from TRAX to the fast-developing condominium areas on the southwestern side of downtown.
     
     
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The Beverley Taylor Sorenson Arts and Education Complex



On August 11, 2008, the University of Utah announced that the Sorenson Legacy Foundation has donated $12 million to the University for construction of an interdisciplinary arts and education complex at its Salt Lake City campus. It is the largest single donation in support of fine arts or arts and education in the University's history and one of the largest such donations in the state.

The new facility will be named the Beverley Taylor Sorenson Arts and Education Complex and will be built at the southern entrance of the campus adjacent to Milton Bennion Hall. Sorenson, a University of Utah alumna, is a philanthropist and former teacher who founded the innovative art works for kids! program and has been a long-time champion of arts education for Utah elementary school children.


http://www.artsed.utah.edu/
I'm amazed Steven at all of the great projects going up at the U of U.

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Well the article came out today so its sort new-ish haha

anyway here is a better article on the Sugarhouse streetcar.

Link: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10152141

From the article: "You're going to see streetcars coming into the core of downtown," Harpst said.

City transportation boss Tim Harpst said the next link that might make sense is from TRAX to the fast-developing condominium areas on the southwestern side of downtown.
This is a really great idea, and I have high hopes for it. I rode one of the Portland Streetcars, and they are a great modern alternitave to riding the bus. The article said that the Streetcars alone had produced over 3.5 billiion dollars into new developments, eventually adding 10,000 new people to Portland's downtown. Those are some pretty big numbers, and if SLC does it right, they may have a chance of creating a downtown more people would actually want to spend some time in.
     
     
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Ivory Homes returns to SLC with condo project
By Debbi Olson
The Enterprise

After a short hiatus from building in the city, Ivory Homes is returning to Salt Lake City with a new condominium project to be located near Trolley Square.

Trolley Place Condominiums will be located at approximately 540 S. Denver St. and will be comprised of eight units in two three-story buildings.

"We're back in Salt Lake City," said Chris Gamvroulas, president of development for Ivory Homes. "We love Salt Lake City and had been there for a long time, but the ground that we had been developing we had built out. For about 10 years, half of all single-family permits that had been issued in Salt Lake City proper were for our homes."

The last project was West Point, located on the city's west side between 900 North and 2000 North and between Redwood Road and I-215, where Ivory built approximately 1,700 homes.

"Trolley Place is a fun little site. It's a small piece in Salt Lake City, very near Trolley Square, and we wanted to play off the proximity to a great community amenity, Trolley Square," Gamvroulas said. "It's only a block away from a TRAX stop, it's only a couple blocks away from Library Square and downtown, so it's within walking distance. We really liked the location."

The three-story units will range from 1,224 to 1,300 square feet and have two or three bedrooms. Each unit will have an attached two-car garage.

"The three story units will have the garage underneath and living space on two floors above it," Gamvroulas said. "It has very urban feel to it."

The style of the Trolley Place condominiums is a new product in the Ivory Homes catalog. The company used an architect from Scottsdale, Ariz., to come up with the designs.

"They are very fresh, totally different and new to the Ivory palette," Gamvroulas said. "It looks very urban from the outside, a lot of straight lines, a lot of articulation in the building. It has a flat roof, metal awnings and every unit will have a private deck off the second floor."

The two buildings will face each other with a drive aisle between them leading to the garages. The front doors will face out onto a common green area on either side.

Ground is expected to be broken later this month with the project expected to be complete by the end of the year. The units will be for sale, though price points have not been determined.


renderings can be seen at the link below...
http://www.slcgov.com/boards/adminhearing/2008/July/sr_4800808.pdf
     
     
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Outdoor Retailer parent may bring even bigger show to Utah -- if a 1,000-room hotel is built
By Frances Johnson
The Enterprise

For the 11th year in a row, Salt Lake City played host this past weekend to Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, one of the largest trade shows in the outdoor sports and equipment industry. Salt Lake will also host the Winter Market trade show in January. According to Shawn Stinson, director of communications for the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Bureau, more than 22,000 retailers, manufacturers and suppliers were expected to attend this year's Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, with a conservative expected economic impact of $19 million.

"Outdoor retailer attendees typically spend a greater amount than our other attendees," Stinson said.

Outdoor Retailer is owned and managed by Nielsen Sports Group, a division of media ratings giant Nielsen Business Media. According to Joseph Flynn, vice president of the firm's sports group, this year's show occupied 400,000 net square feet, including every inch of available space at the Energy Solutions Arena and represented the biggest year for Outdoor Retailer yet.

The show, which is not open to the public, provides an opportunity for retailers to do pre-season ordering of everything from fabric to apparel to equipment. Buying power at the trade show is north of $33 billion, Flynn said.

In addition to Outdoor Retailer, Nielsen Sports Group, the world's largest owner of sports-related trade shows, operates a ski show in Denver and a bicycle show in Las Vegas, both of which they would consider moving to Salt Lake City if the necessary amenities, including a 1,000-room convention hotel, were available.

While there are no plans currently under way to build a convention hotel in Salt Lake City, Stinson said, the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Buereau is always looking for and talking to interested hotel developers and operators, and would welcome the addition of more hotel and convention space to Salt Lake.

"We, like any other convention destination, will aggressively pursue any and all possible conventions that we could host," he said. "We would definitely not be opposed to having other large shows here."
     
     
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Familiar face to lead SLC planning- Salt Lake City Mayor Becker taps Davis County economic boss as his new planning czar

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune


Salt Lake City has snatched a planning pro from its northern neighbor and given him a dual mission: straighten a wayward Planning Division and be a force at the Legislature.
Mayor Ralph Becker picked Wilford Sommerkorn as his planning director after Davis County's longtime head of community and economic development topped a recruiter's coast-to-coast search.
The first-year mayor, himself a planner by trade, said he was surprised to find someone with Sommerkorn's planning chops in his backyard.
"He is known and respected around the state and nationally," Becker said. "He's always thinking about applying the best, most innovative practices."
Some remain skeptical of Becker's parochial choice.
"My fear is we're going to do what's comfortable," said Stephen Goldsmith, the city's planning director from 2000 to 2003. If Sommerkorn doesn't fight for significant changes, Goldsmith worries, "we'll be excellent in mediocrity."
"Someone like Wilf knows the barriers. The question is how hard is he willing to push?"
A Salt Lake City native, Sommerkorn has worked as a Davis planner and development boss for nearly 30 years.
"This is a great opportunity to come back home," he said. "Salt Lake City is the capital city. It's the primo place in Utah. And it really needs to be that again."
Key in that pursuit is Sommerkorn's clout at the Legislature, where Becker expects his new hire to pump plenty of hands. "We intend," the mayor said, "to rely very heavily both on his expertise and his relationship to get some help at the Capitol."
Becker's predecessor, Rocky Anderson, had a famously fractious relationship with Davis County, angering its residents with his stance on commuter pollution and the long-delayed Legacy Parkway.
Mary De La Mare-Schaefer, who served as the city's acting planning director and now is the deputy, compared Monday's move to hitting the "jackpot."
Sommerkorn would not telegraph specific moves, but pledged to implement changes recommended in a recent audit that scolded city planning for a decade of dysfunction. He predicted some rules will be rewritten or overhauled and pinpointed customer service and transparency as top priorities.
"One of the biggest things that can help with morale is consistency," he said. "And that includes the staff."
Sommerkorn replaces George Shaw, who was ousted by Becker earlier this year. He completes City Hall's new planning team, which includes Frank Gray as community and economic-development director and Bob Farrington, named recently to oversee the city's economic-development function.
Pat Comarell, who represents audit author Citygate Association, praised Becker for making serious strides and showing "courage."
"You really have a star team," she said. "Wilf has a great breadth of vision for planning - not just what it is, but what it can be."
Seconds after the introduction at the city's so-called "Buzz Center," a planner clapped her hands and let out a brief squeal.
"Oh, good, I know him."

Wilford Sommerkorn
* Age: 54.
* Experience: Davis County planner since 1981; community and economic development director since '94.
* Education: Bachelor of science, University of Utah; master's in science planning from the University of Tennessee at Knoxville.
* OCCUPATION: Legislative chairman, American Planning Association.
* Salary: $107,000.
     
     
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Outdoor Retailer parent may bring even bigger show to Utah -- if a 1,000-room hotel is built
By Frances Johnson
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For the 11th year in a row, Salt Lake City played host this past weekend to Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, one of the largest trade shows in the outdoor sports and equipment industry. Salt Lake will also host the Winter Market trade show in January. According to Shawn Stinson, director of communications for the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Bureau, more than 22,000 retailers, manufacturers and suppliers were expected to attend this year's Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, with a conservative expected economic impact of $19 million.

...In addition to Outdoor Retailer, Nielsen Sports Group, the world's largest owner of sports-related trade shows, operates a ski show in Denver and a bicycle show in Las Vegas, both of which they would consider moving to Salt Lake City if the necessary amenities, including a 1,000-room convention hotel, were available.

..."We, like any other convention destination, will aggressively pursue any and all possible conventions that we could host," he said. "We would definitely not be opposed to having other large shows here."
Salt Lake City's current downtown large convention hotel properties,(Little and Grand America) are far more attractive than most convention hotels in the nation. Admittedly however, we need something large, that is right at the Salt Palace location, with additional exibition space available. I just hope that we will make it something that the city is proud of and iconic in nature, unlike the current fare that has gone up in Phoenix and Denver.

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I am interested in knowing about your sig. Where did you get the figure of SLC's population? Are you counting the North Valley area entirely? Just wanna know

The city's official population greatly understates its economic drawing power. When a state capital's population is officially 180,000 or so, it certainly seems very podunk to "numbers people."
     
     
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Salt Lake City's current downtown large convention hotel properties,(Little and Grand America) are far more attractive than most convention hotels in the nation. Admittedly however, we need something large, that is right at the Salt Palace location, with additional exibition space available. I just hope that we will make it something that the city is proud of and iconic in nature, unlike the current fare that has gone up in Phoenix and Denver.

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I worked at the Little America for a number of years while I was living in Salt Lake and am confused why you think that this 70's looking boring monolith is one of the finest convention hotels in the nation?!? Don't get me wrong, it is a nice hotel- nothing extreme or fabulous- but many people would complain and bitch at check out because of issues with that dated hotel and many out of towners staying there for conventions were rarely impressed--that is why I quit management with Little America and was headhunted by another company. The Grand has a better reputation than the older hotel, but it still has much room for improvement. (I have an uncle who is still part of their upper management and he keeps me informed of issues)
I've got to tell you Delts that you are a great Cheerleader for Utah.

But, it would take years of build up for SLC hotels to compete with the luxery hotels and banner convention properties in the Phoenix area.
And before you make assumptions and come at me with warships and bombs, I am not dissing on SLC but rather making rational statements of an industry I am well aware of and in a city (SLC) that I am very familier with. I know in your eyes that Salt Lake has already been translated and elevated into the heavens, but to the rest of us it is still a city planted at ground level in the Salt Lake Valley and is trying to improve itself and mature the most proper way much like every other city we see talked about in this SSP Mountain West forum.

I cannot speak for the Denver hotel scene, but Phoenix---come on now--
     
     
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I worked at the Little America for a number of years while I was living in Salt Lake and am confused why you think that this 70's looking boring monolith is one of the finest convention hotels in the nation?!? Don't get me wrong, it is a nice hotel- nothing extreme or fabulous- but many people would complain and bitch at check out because of issues with that dated hotel and many out of towners staying there for conventions were rarely impressed--that is why I quit management with Little America and was headhunted by another company. The Grand has a better reputation than the older hotel, but it still has much room for improvement. (I have an uncle who is still part of their upper management and he keeps me informed of issues)
I've got to tell you Delts that you are a great Cheerleader for Utah.

But, it would take years of build up for SLC hotels to compete with the luxery hotels and banner convention properties in the Phoenix area.
And before you make assumptions and come at me with warships and bombs, I am not dissing on SLC but rather making rational statements of an industry I am well aware of and in a city (SLC) that I am very familier with. I know in your eyes that Salt Lake has already been translated and elevated into the heavens, but to the rest of us it is still a city planted at ground level in the Salt Lake Valley and is trying to improve itself and mature the most proper way much like every other city we see talked about in this SSP Mountain West forum.

I cannot speak for the Denver hotel scene, but Phoenix---come on now--
While I agree there is much, MUCH room for improvement in the SLC hotel scene, I think what Delts was referring to - in Phoenix at least - was the fact that he hopes whatever convention hotel that gets built in Salt Lake is better than what Phoenix just got.....that enormous, boring Sheraton downtown.

Am I right delts??
     
     
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First of all Cottonwood, the post was obviously about the new Downtown, major convention center adjacent Hyatt and Sheraton, which were newly completed in both Denver and Phoenix. There was no statement regarding the metro Denver hotels in general or of a Scottsdale, or Park City/Deer Valley for that matter. Again, the post was dealing entirely with downtown, large, convention specific hotels. Interestingly, my assessment of the large,convention Hyatt/Sheraton was coming from the overwhelmingly critical remarks made by local forumers in Denver and Phoenix itself, who have been very negative, and disappointed in the two hotels design. I have in the past actually been a lot more positive about the Hyatt and Sheraton than their own locals.

Oh, and kudos to you too Cottonwood, you're a great Cheerleader for Boise.

And yes, IMO, particularly with The Grand, neither downtown convention Hyatt Regency or Sheraton is even in the same universe in quality of materials used, both exterior and and interior presentation, luxurious oppulence, and service as The Grand.

Hey, to Hell with your's or my opinion. I would much rather listen to the unbiased opinion of Mobil, which is the world's most highly coveted hotelier critic.

Downtown Denver has one hotel that rates on the same, highly respected Mobil Star level as Downtown Salt Lake City's Grand, the very fine, "Brown Palace." However, the Brown Palace is a much smaller boutique hotel of 241 rooms, and is not considered Denver's convention specific property. As of now, metro Denver has no four to five star hotels. However, I'm sure the Four Seasons will easily qualify as a four or five star boutique hotel. And of course, one of my favorite places on earth, which is Western Colorado, "has two four star and two five star hotels."

Metro Phoenix has four top-ranked hotels, that rate four-stars. None of these are downtown, and for the most part are not any closer to the downtown Phoenix major convention center than Park City/Deer Valley. All metro Phoenix top hotels are smaller to much smaller than Downtown Salt Lake's Grand.

Metro Park City/Deer Valley has not only a top five star hotel,(Stein Erickson) but four uber-posh properties, either newly completed or soon to be completed, which will easily qualify for the four, or even possibly the five star rating, given the properties other world renowned records. The four newby's in metro Park City and Deer Valley include The St. Regis, The Skylodge, The Montage, and The Waldorf Astoria's, Dakota Lodge.

I guess I could go on and on about the four new metro ultra-luxe properties, along with The Grand and Stein's. But that would kind of be rubbing someone's nose in their opinion of Salt Lake's lack of ultra fine, top-ranked hotels, j/k.

Unless you want to consider The Vegas Strip as downtown, Salt Lake, along with it's metro has an abundance of some of the world's finest resort hotels. The Grand, especially considering it's size, blows the door's off not all, but most downtown convention hotels in opulence and service. This is not my opinion, but the opinion of the industry's foremost critic.

Again, as was pointed out in my previous post. Downtown Salt Lake doesn't need a large, top-ranked convention hotel. It has one of the comparitively finest in the nation with The Grand. What Salt Lake needs is a large convention hotel across the street from, or on top of the Salt Palace, not several blocks away. And again, my hope will be that it will be not just another large commercial-style convention hotel, but something truely unique and eye-popping, say like our library.

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A Grand, 'Old World Style Hotel,' Recreated (brought over from the compilations thread)

Downtown Salt Lake City's 'Grand Hotel' -


Grand America
The towering white Bethel granite exterior of the Grand America Hotel glistens in the Salt Lake City sun, and at night stands as a beacon of luxurious light in the downtown skyline. The Grand America Hotel is a sumptuous palace, a haven for deluxe decadence befitting royalty. This five-diamond, luxury hotel redefines 'grand' every single day.


Grand America
Inspired by the charm and craftsmanship of Europe's classic hotels, the Grand America offers 775 luxurious rooms, including 395 exquisite suites. The 24-story hotel overlooks a beautifully landscaped 10-acre footprint in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City. The Grand America is 450,000 square feet, or an entire city block, of hand-tooled marble and granite.



Grand America

Splash Magazine...
I walked through Grand America's beveled-glass and brass doors and entered a lavish wonderland of opulent amenities befitting the royal guests. I was immediately encased in elegant luxury. My eyes darted about, absorbing the gilded images before me: Italian marble floors and walls, English wool carpets, and French furniture and tapestries all illuminated by the Murano crystal chandeliers. In addition to the sumptuous interior decor, the hotel staff and their genuine smiles greeted me at the door. All of this elegance and I had only entered the lobby!


OKLAND CONSTRUCTION - This structural concrete hotel boasts a Four-Star and Five Diamond rating with 905 guest rooms, 777 of them suites. The hotel features a 24-story tower, a four-story garden wing, grand and junior ballrooms, restaurants, shops, courtyards and a multi-level, 1,000-car underground parking garage. This project has a total square footage of 1,756,351.

Bethal White Granite from Vermont was chosen to sheath the entire hotel. Over 1,400 cubic meters of blocks were used for this one project, making it the largest use ever for Behtel White for an individual building.

The Grand America Hotel is conveniently located on 10 acres in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, just 10 minutes from the Salt Lake International Airport. Ensconced by the Wasatch and Oquirrh Mountain Ranges in the magnificent Salt Lake Valley, the Grand America is walking distance from shopping, restaurants, cultural and sporting events and is roughly 30-40 minutes from the major ski resorts. Nearby are historic Temple Square, the world-famous Great Salt Lake, four major rivers, national parks, forests and monuments.

Inspired by the world's grand hotels of the past, The Grand America Hotel has the allure of Old World craftsmanship, charm and hospitality, with every modern convenience at your fingertips. Designed to be a European "boutique" hotel of American scale, The Grand America is abundant in exquisite details: chandeliers from Murano and Milan, French cherry- wood furniture, English wool carpets, Italian marble bathrooms, as well as state-of-the-art high-speed internet connections, 32-inch televisions and dual-line phones in every room.

*The Grand America was listed on the Gold List of the World's Best Hotels in the 2007 January issue of Condè Nast Traveler.



The Grand America

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New Marriott hotel instead of CCC tower 2?

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By Frances Johnson
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For the 11th year in a row, Salt Lake City played host this past weekend to Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, one of the largest trade shows in the outdoor sports and equipment industry. Salt Lake will also host the Winter Market trade show in January. According to Shawn Stinson, director of communications for the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Bureau, more than 22,000 retailers, manufacturers and suppliers were expected to attend this year's Outdoor Retailer Summer Market, with a conservative expected economic impact of $19 million.

"Outdoor retailer attendees typically spend a greater amount than our other attendees," Stinson said.

Outdoor Retailer is owned and managed by Nielsen Sports Group, a division of media ratings giant Nielsen Business Media. According to Joseph Flynn, vice president of the firm's sports group, this year's show occupied 400,000 net square feet, including every inch of available space at the Energy Solutions Arena and represented the biggest year for Outdoor Retailer yet.

The show, which is not open to the public, provides an opportunity for retailers to do pre-season ordering of everything from fabric to apparel to equipment. Buying power at the trade show is north of $33 billion, Flynn said.

In addition to Outdoor Retailer, Nielsen Sports Group, the world's largest owner of sports-related trade shows, operates a ski show in Denver and a bicycle show in Las Vegas, both of which they would consider moving to Salt Lake City if the necessary amenities, including a 1,000-room convention hotel, were available.

While there are no plans currently under way to build a convention hotel in Salt Lake City, Stinson said, the Salt Lake Convention & Visitors Buereau is always looking for and talking to interested hotel developers and operators, and would welcome the addition of more hotel and convention space to Salt Lake.

"We, like any other convention destination, will aggressively pursue any and all possible conventions that we could host," he said. "We would definitely not be opposed to having other large shows here."
Someone mentioned the idea of Marriott using the city creek center parking and expadning their hotel there. Well, since tower 2 has been placed on hold. Why not place a large Marriott hotel there? The two Marriott's can be side by side and the new hotel can take advantage of the CCC underground parking. Another option is to have a new large hotel on the south west corner of 1st and main where there is a parking lot and an old small zions bank building(move it like the other bldg. for the 'borg' courthouse). or place it next to Arrow Press Square in the grass area to the south of the old DV8.

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First of all Cottonwood, the post was obviously about the new Downtown, major convention center adjacent Hyatt and Sheraton, which were newly completed in both Denver and Phoenix. There was no statement regarding the metro Denver hotels in general or of a Scottsdale, or Park City/Deer Valley for that matter. Again, the post was dealing entirely with downtown, large, convention specific hotels. Interestingly, my assessment of the large,convention Hyatt/Sheraton was coming from the overwhelmingly critical remarks made by local forumers in Denver and Phoenix itself, who have been very negative, and disappointed in the two hotels design. I have in the past actually been a lot more positive about the Hyatt and Sheraton than their own locals.

Oh, and kudos to you too Cottonwood, you're a great Cheerleader for Boise.

And yes, IMO, particularly with The Grand, neither downtown convention Hyatt Regency or Sheraton is even in the same universe in quality of materials used, both exterior and and interior presentation, luxurious oppulence, and service as The Grand.

Hey, to Hell with your's or my opinion. I would much rather listen to the unbiased opinion of Mobil, which is the world's most highly coveted hotelier critic.

Downtown Denver has one hotel that rates on the same, highly respected Mobil Star level as Downtown Salt Lake City's Grand, the very fine, "Brown Palace." However, the Brown Palace is a much smaller boutique hotel of 241 rooms, and is not considered Denver's convention specific property. As of now, metro Denver has no four to five star hotels. However, I'm sure the Four Seasons will easily qualify as a four or five star boutique hotel. And of course, one of my favorite places on earth, which is Western Colorado, "has two four star and two five star hotels."

Metro Phoenix has four top-ranked hotels, that rate four-stars. None of these are downtown, and for the most part are not any closer to the downtown Phoenix major convention center than Park City/Deer Valley. All metro Phoenix top hotels are smaller to much smaller than Downtown Salt Lake's Grand.

Metro Park City/Deer Valley has not only a top five star hotel,(Stein Erickson) but four uber-posh properties, either newly completed or soon to be completed, which will easily qualify for the four, or even possibly the five star rating, given the properties other world renowned records. The four newby's in metro Park City and Deer Valley include The St. Regis, The Skylodge, The Montage, and The Waldorf Astoria's, Dakota Lodge.

I guess I could go on and on about the four new metro ultra-luxe properties, along with The Grand and Stein's. But that would kind of be rubbing someone's nose in their opinion of Salt Lake's lack of ultra fine, top-ranked hotels, j/k.

Unless you want to consider The Vegas Strip as downtown, Salt Lake, along with it's metro has an abundance of some of the world's finest resort hotels. The Grand, especially considering it's size, blows the door's off not all, but most downtown convention hotels in opulence and service. This is not my opinion, but the opinion of the industry's foremost critic.

Again, as was pointed out in my previous post. Downtown Salt Lake doesn't need a large, top-ranked convention hotel. It has one of the comparitively finest in the nation with The Grand. What Salt Lake needs is a large convention hotel across the street from, or on top of the Salt Palace, not several blocks away. And again, my hope will be that it will be not just another large commercial-style convention hotel, but something truely unique and eye-popping, say like our library.
The major problem with the Grand America is its location in downtown. It is not in a nice part of downtown and is much further than most other hotels near the salt palace. It's ironic(for a lack of a better word) that such a luxurious hotel is situated in the least luxurious location in downtown. I think Earl Holding should have detached the Grand from the Little and placed it to the block north. A hotel like the Grand would have fit perfectly into the development of the City Creek Center. It's too bad, Earl didn't have the vision to place it closer to the convention center. He probably would have had a much better return on his investment. Most of you know that most of the building's funding was by Earl and wll not likely see his return in the investment. He mostly did the Grand as a present to Salt Lake City. I just wished it would have been incorporated closer to the heart of the city.
     
     
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Someone mentioned the idea of Marriott using the city creek center parking and expadning their hotel there. Well, since tower 2 has been placed on hold. Why not place a large Marriott hotel there? The two Marriott's can be side by side and the new hotel can take advantage of the CCC underground parking. Another option is to have a new large hotel on the south west corner of 1st and main where there is a parking lot and an old small zions bank building(move it like the other bldg. for the 'borg' courthouse). or place it next to Arrow Press Square in the grass area to the south of the old DV8.

What do you think?
I do not like placing a conventional hotel on the CCC site. I think it should be located along 200 South between 300 W and W Temple. This would provide a critical mass more southernly located in downtown and promote more private investment into the southern end of downtown. Plus it would be a downtown signature that could fill in some of the holes we have in that general area. Putting it in City Creek or along 100 South creates one ginormous magnet that will suck life out of the rest of downtown.

One of the problems with the grass area around Arropress is that it is owned by Rocky Mountain Power and there are thousands of lines under that area. They have absolutely no interest in allowing building on that site. Now, if someone wanted to pay to relocate those wires and they could still have the necesary access for maintance, upgrades, etc, then maybe they would be willing to let that happen. But for the time being, they have indicated they have no interest in building or allowing someone to build on that site. Plus, with some little improvements, it could really add to the public realm of downtown by being maintained as open space with maybe some small cafes or food carts around the perimeter.
     
     
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