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Old Posted Aug 10, 2008, 10:53 AM
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you'd have to be suicidal to want to ride a bike down no3 road anyway - lol

there are other options for bikers at least in the area

a pic of the bridge - taken by me aug 9

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Old Posted Aug 10, 2008, 11:46 PM
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no.3 has put to shame lougheed highway, burnaby did such a poor job in places where the speed limit is reduced. i can undertand the need not to adequately design pedestrian elements in areas of faster speeds, but all across the board there is nothing.

burnaby has no downtown, if anything were to compare to that it would be brentwood and lougheed town centres. Both are sprawl city and will have a hard time converting. richmond is really on track with their downtown. The next challenge will be to integrate bridgepoint with landsdown et al.
     
     
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Well after all the life is better under the sea...under the sea... ;-)
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2008, 12:44 AM
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2008, 3:23 AM
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almost done....

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According to the latest quarterly report from the Canada Line office, construction on the project is 80 per cent complete.

Though there is still work going on in some areas, much of Cambie Street is getting back to normal.

That's welcome news for businesses that have taken serious financial hits or even been forced to move because construction prompted a drop in customers.

"We know we're dropping quite a bit, but we've been here a long time so we're still surviving finally, but it's passed so what can we do?" said Julie Tsui of Julie's Hair Design.

"We just look forward, what else can we think?" she said.

The Canada Line is the name for a rapid SkyTrain-type project that would take passengers between Richmond, the Vancouver International Airport, and downtown Vancouver.

The $1.9-billion project is expected to begin service in 2009.

With much of the heavy lifting and heavy digging done, the focus is now on the finishing stages such as work on the Canada Line stations.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2008, 1:26 AM
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End to Cambie commuter chaos in sight

Business association intends to file a class-action suit seeking up to $40 million in damages

The end finally appears within sight for the commuter chaos that has crippled Cambie Street since the summer of 2005.

InTransitBC, the company in charge of the massive $2-billion Canada Line construction project, is lifting many of the traffic restrictions that have made travelling along Cambie, or trying to get across it, a nightmare.

Cut-and-cover construction along much of the rapid transit line linking Richmond and Vancouver International Airport with downtown Vancouver has exacerbated the problems.

Original plans calling for bored tunnel construction were changed to reduce costs.

Steve Crombie, spokesman for InTransitBC, said many of the intersections will be turned over to the City of Vancouver for paving, signal installation and line painting between mid-October and December.

Donny Wong, manager of Vancouver's rapid transit office, said the city will complete its work as quickly as possible after InTransitBC clears out, with the goal of reopening streets to regular traffic within two weeks.

"We all want people to have as much access as possible to the street for Christmas shopping season," Wong said.

Cambie Village Business Association director Leonard Schein remained somewhat skeptical.

"We are certainly looking forward to the end of [construction]," said Schein, who estimated his Park Theatre has lost more than $200,000 due to the construction. However, he is less than optimistic about the city's ability to finish its own work quickly.

InTransitBC finished with Cambie in front of the Park Theatre, between 18th and 19th Avenues, last November, but it still hasn't been put back together completely.

"The sidewalks are not totally finished yet," Schein said.

He said there are still traffic cones keeping traffic to one lane in parts of his neighbourhood.

Schein said he expects merchants in the area to file an application for a class-action lawsuit in B.C. Supreme Court next month. He estimated they could seek damages between $20 million and $40 million if the suit is accepted.

Several Cambie companies have gone out of business since construction began and many remaining merchants have complained they've lost massive amounts of money because customers couldn't get to the area or gave up trying.

When the Canada Line is up and running in November 2009, many bus routes will be changed, TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie has warned travellers.

"When you have a high-capacity rapid transit, it becomes like that backbone and the bus system becomes like the ribs feeding into it."

In an interview, he said many east-west routes will feed into Canada Line stations. Buses serving areas south of the Fraser River will connect with the rapid transit line as well.

He said commuters from places such as Richmond might be disappointed that they will have to transfer from buses that have always taken them straight downtown to the Canada Line. But offsetting that inconvenience is the attraction of having more frequent bus service linking with the line than exists now, Hardie said.

Cambie south of 15th Avenue has been open to limited traffic since last November, but work on the stations at 49th Avenue, 41st Avenue, King Edward and Broadway is still impeding traffic flow.

Crombie predicted InTransitBC will be ready to turn over the intersection at 49th and Cambie by the end of September, the north-south temporary bridge over 41st and Cambie should be removed by the end of October and the intersections at 29th Avenue, King Edward and Broadway should be filled in and handed over to the city by the end of September.

The area between 11th Avenue and Broadway still requires work on the utilities along the west side, which will continue until mid- or late December.

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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 4:20 AM
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How do the platform lengths on the CL compare with the current platform lengths on the Expo Line?


I wonder why the service plan for the Canada Line has the same service levels for both Peak periods & mid day?


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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 4:45 AM
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Wow I better answer ur question before others get mad: 40m C-Line and 80m E-Line & M-Line
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 6:02 AM
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How do the platform lengths on the CL compare with the current platform lengths on the Expo Line?


I wonder why the service plan for the Canada Line has the same service levels for both Peak periods & mid day?


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The Canada Line platforms (40m) are half the length of the Expo Line platforms (50m), with the exception of the Canada Line's high volume stations which are built to 50-metres: Waterfront, City Centre, Yaletown, Broadway, Oakridge, YVR Airport, and Brighouse.

As for frequency, there's a demand for that....note that a 3min45sec wait in Vancouver translates to a 7+ min wait in Richmond/YVR, and that's quite long considering it's peak and mid-day. If they had bought more trains, I'm sure frequency would be higher.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 3:07 PM
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I wonder why they didn't include a 50m platform @ Bridgeport seeing as that will be the main Park and Ride location & the main commuter bus connection from South of the Fraser?

Hoe much are they planning to expand the Expo Line plat forms by?

I suspect in the fall of 09 when the 1st shipment of new skytrain car arrive we will see the return of the 6 car mark 1 car trains to increase capacity.
     
     
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The Canada Line platforms (40m) are half the length of the Expo Line platforms (50m), with the exception of the Canada Line's high volume stations which are built to 50-metres: Waterfront, City Centre, Yaletown, Broadway, Oakridge, YVR Airport, and Brighouse.

As for frequency, there's a demand for that....note that a 3min45sec wait in Vancouver translates to a 7+ min wait in Richmond/YVR, and that's quite long considering it's peak and mid-day. If they had bought more trains, I'm sure frequency would be higher.
I just moved to montreal and here the metro's platforms / trains are 150 m long. They are driven by humans, so at night the frequency drops to like one ever 12 minutes, but at rush hour they are PACKED at a frequency of one ever 3 minutes. They had to remodel the cars to remove a lot of seats and put more poles for standing people and still there can be a 4-5 train wait at rush hour on the orange line.

If you are interested in comparing the montreal system to what vancouvers is going to be like, check out this site:

http://www.metrodemontreal.com/

especially check out how ingeniously the lionel-groulx station is done, and compare it to broadway/commercial. Shame vancouver! and robson / granville stations? shame again!

but for a little vancouver pride, check out the silly laval extension and see how overbudget and how late this simple 3 station extention went, then look with pride at how all our projects seem to be underbudget and delivered on time in vancouver. in vancouver, we get things DONE!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 6:26 PM
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http://www.metrodemontreal.com/

especially check out how ingeniously the lionel-groulx station is done, and compare it to broadway/commercial. Shame vancouver! and robson / granville stations? shame again!
It would be pretty difficult to do the same thing at Broadway/Commercial. Commercial Station would need to be more elevated to allow a "non-stair" transfer. I agree that this transfer could've been better planned, though.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 6:31 PM
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I just moved to montreal and here the metro's platforms / trains are 150 m long. They are driven by humans, so at night the frequency drops to like one ever 12 minutes, but at rush hour they are PACKED at a frequency of one ever 3 minutes. They had to remodel the cars to remove a lot of seats and put more poles for standing people and still there can be a 4-5 train wait at rush hour on the orange line.

If you are interested in comparing the montreal system to what vancouvers is going to be like, check out this site:

http://www.metrodemontreal.com/

especially check out how ingeniously the lionel-groulx station is done, and compare it to broadway/commercial. Shame vancouver! and robson / granville stations? shame again!

but for a little vancouver pride, check out the silly laval extension and see how overbudget and how late this simple 3 station extention went, then look with pride at how all our projects seem to be underbudget and delivered on time in vancouver. in vancouver, we get things DONE!
Apparently Montreal ended up with a rubber-tire metro system because then-mayor Jean Drapeau was so enamored with Paris generally that he wanted to replicate their metro system (and essentially wanted Montréal to be Paris).

After seeing how long their trains are, and how many tires each requires, I would imagine the annual replacement cost is pretty crazy today.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 8:00 PM
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Apparently Montreal ended up with a rubber-tire metro system because then-mayor Jean Drapeau was so enamored with Paris generally that he wanted to replicate their metro system (and essentially wanted Montréal to be Paris).

After seeing how long their trains are, and how many tires each requires, I would imagine the annual replacement cost is pretty crazy today.
Paris's justification was noise, but montreal's justification was that rubber tires can handle a much greater grade. But yeah syktrain is cheap to run, the montreal metro requires drivers, just in case, even though the trains are controlled from a central location, and a person to sell tickets at each station entrance. the union goes on strike more often than you can imagine, so a LOT of money is wasted on their salaries. and they are not even nice to you. scary. loving vancouvers no turnstyle system. much more pragmatic.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 8:42 PM
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and a person to sell tickets at each station entrance.
I've never understood this about Montreal or Toronto - it seems brutally antiquated to have someone sit in a booth and watch you drop you ticket into the little box. Montreal is gradually shifting though. They have automated machines at Outremont station now, but have to have a staff member sit there to show people how to use it!
     
     
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Once turnstiles are implemented in Vncaouver, they will have to be staffed - in case someone can't get through, mechanical problem, etc. - that's why it's not cost effective to install them - not the capital costs - but the operational costs...
     
     
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Once turnstiles are implemented in Vncaouver, they will have to be staffed - in case someone can't get through, mechanical problem, etc. - that's why it's not cost effective to install them - not the capital costs - but the operational costs...
But what is it that brings a peace of mind to travelers? Somebody on site watching passengers, or turnstiles making sure that nobody is riding for free.

I'd argue both are good, but you can't seem to get one without the other.
     
     
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The attendant is required because of the equipment safety/malfunction factor (not eyes on the passengers for security) - i.e. since it is a barrier to baby strollers, people with luggage, etc. and a malfunction would effectively bar someone (or many) from the system.
     
     
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The attendant is required because of the equipment safety/malfunction factor (not eyes on the passengers for security) - i.e. since it is a barrier to baby strollers, people with luggage, etc. and a malfunction would effectively bar someone (or many) from the system.
A little quebec cynicism for you. the attendant is required because the union says the attendant it required.

seriously, the are there so that everyone doesn't just jump the turnstyle, which I admit, during a turnstyle malfunction, i do. turnstyle malfunctions are NOT FUN for male transit riders!!!!

quite frankly, when the new machines they brought in (they are across the system, not just at outremont) , perhaps they won't be required at EVERY entrance. some stations like laurier and jean-talon have automated turnstiles that don't allow people to jump, they have these slidy timed doors. not really cool to watch slower elderly people almost get sliced in 2!

really, it is terribly complicated with the turnstiles, vancouver's system is great for its simplicity and cost-effectivness. say no to turnstyles. please.

SLIDY DOOR HUMAN SLICER:

and while i am posting images, the lionel-groulx station i was talking about where it is EASY to switch lines unlike commercial/broadway:


CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THESE IMAGES DON'T SHOW??

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Old Posted Aug 15, 2008, 4:11 AM
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The MarkII Cars are designed to have a 3rd car added in the middle of the (with the articulated ends) with the extended platforms it may be possible to insert 1 of those cars in the middle of 1 of the 2 car units too make a 5 car train.
     
     
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