Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[urbanboy]

Anyone have access to nice shots of Downtown from the south west looking north east?

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by ctobsl

Hi Urbanboy,

Great job on your skyline!
I really like the photo of how the city looks on an angle.
I think the two twin towers you have there should be as high as the antenna's are. That would look great!

So, make me one where you have the two twin towers a little bit higher and I will be happy.

Have a nice day!

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

As for the affordable housing issue. Yes it is critical for affordable housing to be provided in the downtown area. The one issue I do have with affordable housing is when an entire development is built solely for affordable. I think the best solution is to provide a certain percentage of affordable housing in each new development, the minimum is 20% of units must be affordable in order to recieve affordable housing tax credits on a project. I have mentioned this prior on one of the threads but the issue is, a mixed income property will generally be much better cared for than a strictly affordable property. The name escapes me right now, but has anyone set foot in the apartments on N. Temple directly east of I-15, if I'm not mistaken aren't those all affordable? That place is absolutely discusting! In a mixed income property those that are paying full rent want to take pride in their building and want it to be presentable to visitors, management also tends to do more because those individuals will be demanding that the messes get cleaned up, and they don't want to have a full price tenant move out. I think once a place gets tagged as affordable the mentality of the residents follows suit. Mixed income properties allow for a mix of people, interaction across economic lines.

I agree with you there. Studies have shown that solely low-income housing degrades quickly and mixed income housing is the best solution, although I can't quote you the source of the study... I've read that many times.

[ctobsl]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

The name escapes me right now, but has anyone set foot in the apartments on N. Temple directly east of I-15, if I'm not mistaken aren't those all affordable?

Future Mayor,

The name of the apartments are called Citifront and yes about 80% are affordable units.

Anthony

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ctobsl

Future Mayor,

The name of the apartments are called Citifront and yes about 80% are affordable units.

Anthony

No offense to anyone on here that may live there, but apparently 80% is not the right percentage to maintain a nice community.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

No offense to anyone on here that may live there, but apparently 80% is not the right percentage to maintain a nice community.

I was just thinking that myself. What 20% of people there are paying market rate to live in those apartments? The place is pretty trashed, and I wouldn't want to live there, especially knowing that the 80% of my neighbors trashing the place were paying less to live there than me.

[ctobsl]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

I was just thinking that myself. What 20% of people there are paying market rate to live in those apartments? The place is pretty trashed, and I wouldn't want to live there, especially knowing that the 80% of my neighbors trashing the place were paying less to live there than me.

Okay, I may have been wrong on the percentage, but I was close, I was off by 5%. I know I did read somewhere that it was 80%, but I could not find where that site was.

Here is part of a head line that I found on KSL.

"Perfect example, the "Citifront" apartments just west of the Gateway. Subsidized housing for about 75% of the complex. The place is only 3 years old and ..."

That's all I could retrieve.
Anthony

[Viperlord]

Providence Place


Providence place is currently listed on the real estate site listed below as a condominium project.....and was last verified 3 days ago...if you look at the construction sign on site there from the pics T-mac shot you will notice that it says Ico construction...Ico Construction is an Ivory homes company. Does Ivory homes manage apartments? Anyways, I know that there was some interest from a group to have the project be developed as condos, and if that fell through Wasatch would proceed with them as apartments. It will be interesting to see if they become condos or apartments.

http://icoconstruction.com/subs.html#

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Lis...nkCode=10850&SourceCode=1lww2t006a00001&

[RFPCME]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Anyone have access to nice shots of Downtown from the south west looking north east?

Urbanboy: I like what your thinking!!!!!

[ski_steve]

Future TRAX stations to get plain names

The Salt Lake Valley is about to get more generic train-station names to match its numeric road grid system.

The Utah Transit Authority's board voted Wednesday to name any new train stations for locations - street addresses, in the case of TRAX - to avoid confusion as some 30 stations open along four new light-rail lines in about the next five years.

"As the system grows," board member Michelle Baguley said, "we want to stick with naming stations that will allow people to navigate."
That means no more station names reflecting an area's history or major attractions, such as the existing Central Pointe, City Center, Gallivan Plaza or Arena, which started out as the Delta Center before the Utah Jazz's basketball home became EnergySolutions Arena. It also means new stations in West Valley City, the southwest valley, Draper or at Salt Lake City International Airport won't be named after historic cultural connections, as the Old GreekTown Station is near The Gateway...

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10050567?source=rss

[DENrising]

Originally Posted by stevena07

Future TRAX stations to get plain names

The Salt Lake Valley is about to get more generic train-station names to match its numeric road grid system.

The Utah Transit Authority's board voted Wednesday to name any new train stations for locations - street addresses, in the case of TRAX - to avoid confusion as some 30 stations open along four new light-rail lines in about the next five years.

"As the system grows," board member Michelle Baguley said, "we want to stick with naming stations that will allow people to navigate."
That means no more station names reflecting an area's history or major attractions, such as the existing Central Pointe, City Center, Gallivan Plaza or Arena, which started out as the Delta Center before the Utah Jazz's basketball home became EnergySolutions Arena. It also means new stations in West Valley City, the southwest valley, Draper or at Salt Lake City International Airport won't be named after historic cultural connections, as the Old GreekTown Station is near The Gateway...

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10050567?source=rss

Noooo, I don't like this, I live at the 900 East Station, it is quite plain. My hope is that if a station is named the 1200 W Station (just an example) then maybe some local TOD development will name itself say (Skyline View) and that name will stick to the actual TRAX station forcing UTA to rename it as such. What do you all think???

[blazefirelight]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Anyone have access to nice shots of Downtown from the south west looking north east?

I have several taken from the freeway. If you'd like, I'll post a few on photobucket or something and you can pick whichever one you'd like. Unless none of them are good enough.

I also enjoy the little skyscraper add-ins, and I just wanna help! =P

The username is blaze_firelight if you wanna check it out!

[jmonkey]

geez, you guys have talked about a lot in the past 24 hours. just a couple of comments.

On Sugarhouse and Mecham: yes, the project got off to a bad start, but the time for changing that was two years ago. We need to start dealing with the present situation, which is a great big pit in the ground. It sounds like Mecham is ready to go, with pretty much the plan that he has already presented. In this case, I believe the city was at fault, for allowing the demolition to take place in such a haphazard manner, when there was no guarantee that construction would immediately follow. I think the city now needs to stop punishing Mecham because they realized they made a mistake. Mecham's work so far has been sloppy, but I believe the plan is sound. Yes, it's different for Sugarhouse, but I like it, and it's the next natural step in the gentrification process. This is how cities grow up--the identities of neighborhoods change.

It now seems like Red Mountain's plans are lacking, and they are dragging their feet on their side of the block. The city should let Mecham build, and hold Red Mountain to a higher standard--I think mixed-use would be appropriate there too. Aside from lingering traffic concerns, I think Mecham's project should be given the green light.

Here's a ground-level schematic from utahstories.com:




On Providence Place: That ought to be a really great project for the area--very good infill. Jubilee Center has struggled to find a good re-use for years, and though I liked the building, Providence Place will be better for the neighborhood.

On One And Nine: I agree with Callasphile that there is something lacking in the look of this project. I think the stucco on the 3rd and 4th floors throws the massing of the building off. It would have looked much better if they would have continued the different brick patterns to the top of the building. But it's easy to be an 'armchair quarterback'. It's still a great project.

Urbanboy: Great skyline pics!! I like that you are just including what is u/c, planned, or 'alluded to'. And I think you've got the height right for the wasatch partners twins--they did allude to a new tallest, after all.

CCC affordable housing units: It was my understanding that there aren't any units planned to be set aside as affordable housing, as there isn't any public financing involved in this project. That being said, I'm sure a unit over the mall will cost much less than one in the towers.


oh, and btw---welcome, new guys!!

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by jmonkey

On Sugarhouse and Mecham: yes, the project got off to a bad start, but the time for changing that was two years ago. We need to start dealing with the present situation, which is a great big pit in the ground. It sounds like Mecham is ready to go, with pretty much the plan that he has already presented. In this case, I believe the city was at fault, for allowing the demolition to take place in such a haphazard manner, when there was no guarantee that construction would immediately follow. I think the city now needs to stop punishing Mecham because they realized they made a mistake. Mecham's work so far has been sloppy, but I believe the plan is sound. Yes, it's different for Sugarhouse, but I like it, and it's the next natural step in the gentrification process. This is how cities grow up--the identities of neighborhoods change.

I do not like Mecham's development in the slightest. It's too big for Sugar House and doesn't reflect the community that lives and shops there, but I think it was wrong to hold Mecham hostage to Red Mountain's lack of progress. The whole block doesn't have to be done at once. The city should have given him the go-ahead to start construction.

I'd also like to point out that Utah Stories mislabeled those plans. The proposed North-South corridor is to the left labeled "Pedestrian Walkway" on the original plans. Utah Stories labeled the lobby of the office bldg as the corridor.

[Makid]

Originally Posted by urbanboy
Anyone have access to nice shots of Downtown from the south west looking north east?

I live in Kearns and have an area that is a clear shot all the way from the West through downtown and looking up City Creek Canyon about 50 feet from my house. I will try to get a couple of shots this weekend and post them.

[Callasphile]

Originally Posted by jmonkey

geez, you guys have talked about a lot in the past 24 hours. just a couple of comments.

On Sugarhouse and Mecham: yes, the project got off to a bad start, but the time for changing that was two years ago. We need to start dealing with the present situation, which is a great big pit in the ground. It sounds like Mecham is ready to go, with pretty much the plan that he has already presented. In this case, I believe the city was at fault, for allowing the demolition to take place in such a haphazard manner, when there was no guarantee that construction would immediately follow. I think the city now needs to stop punishing Mecham because they realized they made a mistake. Mecham's work so far has been sloppy, but I believe the plan is sound. Yes, it's different for Sugarhouse, but I like it, and it's the next natural step in the gentrification process. This is how cities grow up--the identities of neighborhoods change.

It now seems like Red Mountain's plans are lacking, and they are dragging their feet on their side of the block. The city should let Mecham build, and hold Red Mountain to a higher standard--I think mixed-use would be appropriate there too. Aside from lingering traffic concerns, I think Mecham's project should be given the green light.

Here's a ground-level schematic from utahstories.com:




On Providence Place: That ought to be a really great project for the area--very good infill. Jubilee Center has struggled to find a good re-use for years, and though I liked the building, Providence Place will be better for the neighborhood.

On One And Nine: I agree with Callasphile that there is something lacking in the look of this project. I think the stucco on the 3rd and 4th floors throws the massing of the building off. It would have looked much better if they would have continued the different brick patterns to the top of the building. But it's easy to be an 'armchair quarterback'. It's still a great project.

Urbanboy: Great skyline pics!! I like that you are just including what is u/c, planned, or 'alluded to'. And I think you've got the height right for the wasatch partners twins--they did allude to a new tallest, after all.

CCC affordable housing units: It was my understanding that there aren't any units planned to be set aside as affordable housing, as there isn't any public financing involved in this project. That being said, I'm sure a unit over the mall will cost much less than one in the towers.


oh, and btw---welcome, new guys!!

I think you bring up some really good points jmonkey, ecspecially in regards to sugarhouse, its already beem f*@&'ed up and the best thing to do is to focus on making a quality project. I actually really like the ground floor plan of the Mecham project. I think the rhythm of the retail spaces is actually really effective in the way that it relates to the street and kind of resembles what was there before. It would be nice if they could all be filled with local retailers. As for traffic concerns I think that when and if the 23ish south light rail or trolley spur gets built it will help to alleviate car traffic and help make sugarhouse a walkable dynamic place again. YAY


P.S. I am a professional armchair quarterback/backseat driver LOL

[delts145]

I'm liking the location and style of Providence Place a lot. Hopefully the developers of this project are among the many who check in with this forum. If they listen to the tasteful suggestions of many forumers, they will put in the extra effort, and not overload the exterior with stucco.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Callasphile

As for traffic concerns I think that when and if the 23ish south light rail or trolley spur gets built it will help to alleviate car traffic and help make sugarhouse a walkable dynamic place again. YAY

I think the Sugar House trolley will do almost nothing to mitigate traffic. Perhaps offset 1% of traffic. Just my guesstimate.

[SLCdave]

Originally Posted by delts145

I'm liking the location and style of Providence Place a lot. Hopefully the developers of this project are among the many who check in with this forum. If they listen to the tasteful suggestions of many forumers, they will put in the extra effort, and not overload the exterior with stucco.

Originally Posted by Viperlord

Providence Place


Providence place is currently listed on the real estate site listed below as a condominium project.....and was last verified 3 days ago...if you look at the construction sign on site there from the pics T-mac shot you will notice that it says Ico construction...Ico Construction is an Ivory homes company. Does Ivory homes manage apartments? Anyways, I know that there was some interest from a group to have the project be developed as condos, and if that fell through Wasatch would proceed with them as apartments. It will be interesting to see if they become condos or apartments.

http://icoconstruction.com/subs.html#

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Lis...nkCode=10850&SourceCode=1lww2t006a00001&

This is a Wasatch Development, ICO has been hired as the General Contractor.
ICO may not be building it either it may be Wasatch Residential Builders (newly formed construction division of Wasatch). I believe that it's still up in the air!

[cololi]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I think the Sugar House trolley will do almost nothing to mitigate traffic. Perhaps offset 1% of traffic. Just my guesstimate.

It all depends on how it is managed, if there are multiple stops or if you can jump on wherever, if it has signal prioritization, etc. I thik I will hold off until more research is done and the design starts to come out.

I agree that the overall scale of the proposed building is out of whack. I would be ok with it if things were in the 70 foot range, but 125 is too tall for sugarhouse.