The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 144

Seely32 · #**2861** Posted **Jul 21, 2008, 4:55 PM**

I have been hearing around the rumor mill that they are planning on putting a similar building to leinster ct. on the corner of duke and charlotte where that empty parking lot is. Any truth???

PersonPlaceorThing · #**2862** Posted **Jul 21, 2008, 5:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Seely32

I have been hearing around the rumor mill that they are planning on putting a similar building to leinster ct. on the corner of duke and charlotte where that empty parking lot is. Any truth???

The Church of St. Andrew St. David has been considering a large mixed income housing development. Funding is the important puzzle piece at this point, as I understand it.

Ottawa · #**2863** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 2:49 AM**

Here's a site plan of the proposed Irving HQ.

PDF courtesy of www.SJPort.com

SJTOKO · #**2864** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 4:26 AM**

Can we get an update on the first page, it's starting to look kind of messy!!!! Why don't we just start a new thread?

michael_d40 · #**2865** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 5:12 AM**

im all for a new thread, Id want somebody like helladog to start it tho, we need somebody from sj who can modify it.

SJTOKO · #**2866** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 5:59 AM**

Let's do it then....

I would also would like Helladog to handle it...

SJTOKO · #**2867** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 6:02 AM**

I think PersonPlaceorThing would also do a good job...

PostModernPrometheus · #**2868** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 11:29 AM**

from the news889.com site.

The Public Will Weigh In On The Proposed Irving Oil Headquarters
July 22, 2008 By: Terri Wallace News 88-9 Staff

SAINT JOHN, NB - The city is asking the public for its view on the proposed Irving Oil Long Wharf development.

Residents will be asked if they favour selling the Lantic Sugar site.

Common council will be hosting a special meeting on Monday, August 11th.

Mayor Ivan Court says, "There are steps to be taken if you wish to address council."

The number to call is 658-2862.

Council has decided to wait until the end of summer before making a decision on the issue.

PostModernPrometheus · #**2869** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 11:32 AM**

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The more noise that is made in support of development the better.

Doesn't hurt to repost this information as a relevant followup to my previous post...

kwajo · #**2870** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 12:02 PM**

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Doesn't hurt to repost this information as a relevant followup to my previous post...

I've already started drafting my letter to the mayor and council with my opinion on the issue, and I suggest everyone else do the same. We need to show the city that there is a large pro-development side to the community, before we end up in a situation like Halifax has been in, where the nay-sayers form the largest voice.

kwajo · #**2871** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 12:17 PM**

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Here's a site plan of the proposed Irving HQ.

PDF courtesy of www.SJPort.com

My main negative about the Irving proposal, which is highlighted by this image, is that it doesn't take full advantage of all the space provided by Long Wharf. For example, look at the Coast Guard site, which is less than 25% of the area of Long Wharf, yet has proposals for a somewhat dense urban landscape within it, containing at least a half-dozen mixed-use buildings, rather than a single monstrous one which will close after 6pm. I'm not saying that the Coast Guard site proposal is ideal, I just think that we might be missing an opportunity with Long Wharf. The peninsula that Uptown sits on is so small, we don't have much room to grow, and this is the largest single area that will be available for development for the next several decades.

All this being said, I'm supporting Irving's proposal because the immediate alternatives (moving hundreds of good jobs away from Uptown), just isn't acceptable to me.

phishy · #**2872** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 12:30 PM**

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Doesn't hurt to repost this information as a relevant followup to my previous post...

Please take the time to contact your councillors and major. You know the council chamber will be packed with the Longshoreman who have their blinders on and are stuck with a 30 year old mindset which they won't change to see the clear future. THe vocal minority can't influence the change we need to see in our City. It only takes a few minutes to email them all and get some positive feedback contributed.

phishy · #**2873** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 12:40 PM**

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Yes, and the heritage board are a bunch of anal retentive, neo-faccist pricks who feel the need to controll everything about your project.

Wow, isn't that a tad offensive and ignorant statement?

The Heritage Board is in place to keep people in line who are trying to destroy build heritage. Unfortunately some people are too ignorant or cheap to do work correctly and they cut corners which ends up with subpar buildings in our City. The guidelines are meant to protect and keep the architecture for future generations. If you don't like living by the Heritage rules why would you have a heritage property? Does seem to make much sense. We have the best collection of heritage properties in Canada and one of the best in North America, why wouldn't we take care of them.

I have lived in the heritage area for years and allof my experience with the Heritage Board has been very positive. If you're honest and upfront with them they are very helpful and provide great assistance. If you go in with a superior attitude and negative outlook you're bound to fail.

Wrightguy0 · #**2874** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 1:37 PM**

yes I know, my position has somewhat softened since posting that, I still find that they can be difficult and I've culminated a negative opinon of them over the years. They do good work for the city but some of their demands can be hard to meet or leave you scratching your head.

PersonPlaceorThing · #**2875** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 1:39 PM**

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I have lived in the heritage area for years and allof my experience with the Heritage Board has been very positive. If you're honest and upfront with them they are very helpful and provide great assistance. If you go in with a superior attitude and negative outlook you're bound to fail.

That said, the Heritage Development Board's mandate goes beyond preservation of historic buildings. If you are honest and up front with them about wanting to built a high density project that is "too tall" (say 5 stories) there is not much one can do to get to a meeting of the minds.

Heritage preservation can be a good thing, but the infill development red tape that the rules create can be frustrating.

PersonPlaceorThing · #**2876** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 1:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by kwajo

My main negative about the Irving proposal, which is highlighted by this image, is that it doesn't take full advantage of all the space provided by Long Wharf.

I wonder if the port would allow that sort of development. They have been supportive of Harbour Passage, so I know they are willing to help the waterfront become a people place, but they do seem somewhat more rigid than the Halifax Port about non commercial/industrial uses.

kwajo · #**2877** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 2:00 PM**

It probably won't change anything with regard to the heritage area itself, but I think that Rocca's condo buildings on Water Street might go a long way to improving the public's attitudes toward modern buildings Uptown. Assuming the building turns out well, it will show people that you can have modern, higher density residential in-fill developments which do not hurt the city's image, but rather enhance it. Perhaps people will then come to demand that new buildings in the urban core are built with more modern architecture, or at least I hope they will...

Then again, we built all those mid-rise office towers in the 60s and 70s, and that trend didn't seem to continue for very long.

kwajo · #**2878** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 2:07 PM**

Not a big development, but it could be a significant one:

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Public safety Council gives two readings to rezoning of property for new community police headquarters
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SAINT JOHN - Common council gave the preliminary thumbs-up Monday for the rezoning of a building that will eventually house the community police station in the south end.

Council gave first and second readings to a zoning bylaw amendment to rezone the vacant lot at the corner of Wentworth Street and Britain Street. The property will become home to a two-storey structure that will be home to the planned community police station.

"This building is greatly needed," said Kathryn Ferris, vice-president of People United in the Lower South End (PULSE).

"Having this community and police facility will benefit us all ... except maybe the drug dealers."

Ferris said the facility will offer a great deal more than simply a desk for a dedicated neighbourhood police officer. She said it will also be a community centre that will offer services and programs for children, seniors and families.

She added that she had received positive feedback from "99.9 per cent of the people. It will lead to a better quality of life for people of the south end."

The centre, which will eventually have an address of 251 Wentworth St., will also allow community groups such as PULSE to co-ordinate activities and initiatives, said Carl Trickey, the group's president, who also displayed an architect's conceptual drawing.

The centre could include meeting halls, clinics, offices and the home office for Edwards.

The community police station for the south end received $150,000 in funding earlier this year. Bell Aliant, Irving Oil and the provincial government stepped up to provide the start-up capital.

If the project gets a final green light in two weeks, normally a formality after first and second readings, the intent is to move forward with a groundbreaking ceremony next month. If all goes according to plan, the building will be open in November.

Any bets on how long it lasts before it gets burned down?

Oh yeah, and I also support the creation of a new project thread run by someone from SJ - not that HalifaxMtl666 isn't a nice guy, it's just nice to keep things local.

GUB · #**2879** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 2:18 PM**

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Doesn't hurt to repost this information as a relevant followup to my previous post...

I e-mailed all councillors & the mayor in support of the Irving HQ.
Higgins still doesn't have an e-mail, as I don't believe she's been sworn in yet.
I received ONE response from councillor Snook--I find that puzzling.
It will be a major step backwards if this project doesn't proceed.

PostModernPrometheus · #**2880** Posted **Jul 22, 2008, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by GUB

I e-mailed all councillors & the mayor in support of the Irving HQ.
Higgins still doesn't have an e-mail, as I don't believe she's been sworn in yet.
I received ONE response from councillor Snook--I find that puzzling.
It will be a major step backwards if this project doesn't proceed.

agreed...

i've starting sending emails today as well...no replies yet

i think the point made earlier is valid...there will be a vocal & staunch opposition to this project from a minority of people over the summer.....that being said, i seriously doubt that it will stop this project from proceeding....