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Old Posted Jul 16, 2008, 7:17 PM
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Agreed...round of applause for Swinefeld
and The American Swinefeld Center......
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2008, 7:52 PM
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Hmmm

I wounder how much it would cost to buy Kennedy House and evict all of the loonies who don't see how this project will benefit the region? Heck it wouldn't be to bad of a venture..just convert it into class B office space lol....On another note I just don't get how they think this will create a huge traffic bottle neck...I mean look at comcast, how much more traffic did it bring? If anything, the traffic in that area is usually one of the lightest in volume in center city...lol
     
     
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Thanks for the hard work swiney.

Was that you on the Fox video?
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Excellent!!

I think it looks better without the spire.

In fact, I wouldn't mind if they simply replaced the spire with additional floors.

A nice restaurant along with a rooftop observation deck would be a good replacement for the spire.
     
     
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Lantern...did I read that correctly?! Looks like we have our lighting scheme...

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Thanks for the hard work swiney.

Was that you on the Fox video?
That was me chewing gum in class. How classy.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 2:29 AM
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Hmm not to sound morbid but... heh. I hope they disregard the testimonies of anyone that could very well be passed away (or in jail) by the time the project would even be done.
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I don't usually post on here anymore -- I pretty much don't have the time to keep up with things but every so often I check. In fact, until I heard about this on KYW I hadn't been here in about 6 or 7 months. But I have to give my point of view and the one thing I like to do most is beat up on spires and glass curtains.

When I first saw the rendering I posted "more glass, more spires, ugh ugh ugh" or words to that effect. Someone said "show us your model." I certainly can't do that but its easy to visualize -- less glass, no spire. I generally hate glass curtain buildings and spires, especially when they are stuck on in semi-ornamental fashion. I don't like the spire on 1 Liberty at all but I like it better than the one on ACC. It just seems like a phony attempt to make it 1500 feet when just stopping at 1210 with some nice, modest setbacks would do the trick.

However, a reworking of the design might decrease (or increase the height). And decreasing the height isn't all that bad. I'm a firm believer in bigger is not always better. 2 Logan Square is a wonderful building at only 435 feet. I don't think I would change it in any way, including the height. But if they just redesigned the top of this thing I might be okay with the glass curtain. Even if they cut it to 1100 or 1150. The base is pretty sweet for the most part and I don't think it would work with anything but glass. So now I'm on the fence. I dunno. But I do know one thing -- its really not nice to beat up on old people like some folks were doing. We'll all be old soon and they've earned the right to their opinion.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 5:40 AM
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That was me chewing gum in class. How classy.
Swinefeld -- if you lead the pro-ACC movement, I and others will follow. We need a leader to help us mobilize against the naysayers!!!
     
     
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I'm going to start doing whatever I can do to make sure this happens and the Kennedy house rejects fail.
     
     
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I recall reading that the spire will house transmission/reception hardware; so it's not simply an add-on. It will be functional and will generate income.
     
     
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Great post, Swine. I don't put a lot of stock into Fumo's crap. The guy's an outgoing criminal who is so full of class, he thought it was a good idea to call Jubelirer a faggot on the Senate floor. This is typical of him. The people from the Kennedy house can't possibly hold much weight. You can't oppose building a highrise in the heart of the city's business district, you just can't. This isn't like the parkway, or Northern Liberties, or the waterfront. This is building a highrise in an area where highrises are to be built. This will be the signature tower that Comcast Center really is not. I mean, just thinking about all of the retail involved in this makes me that much more excited. Retail is something that is definitely SORELY missed in Philadelphia. Walking around Manhattan, every building has street level retail and plenty of it. Walk around the heart of center city...not so much. It's a shame.

I don't think we're looking at a hell of a lot of opposition here. Once again we're talking about a vocal minority. The only problem I could see is if Ed Rendell is really that opposed to this, and I can't imagine why he would be.

I don't really see how this building could do anything but good for this city. If you support the progress of Philadelphia, you have to support this project; I don't see any gray area in between.
     
     
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I'm having a little trouble getting a handle on fumo's opposition. he is a state senator, not a city council member, so he does not have any say in the zoning. does he oppose the building altogether or does he just oppose the KOZ and other tax incentives? if he opposes the building altogether, what recourse does he really have? what can he do to stop it?
     
     
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That was me chewing gum in class. How classy.
You should have stuck it Fumo's hair.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 2:28 PM
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But I do know one thing -- its really not nice to beat up on old people like some folks were doing. We'll all be old soon and they've earned the right to their opinion.
They are being stupid. They live in the Central Business District. They are trying to block a tower. Towers belong in the Central Business District. They live in two of the most offensive and hideous building in Center City. If they don't want to be living among other towers nearby, then they should move to Ann's Choice in Bucks County.

You are right in saying that they have a right to their opinion. We have the right to tell them they aren't making any sense.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2008, 2:33 PM
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I'm having a little trouble getting a handle on fumo's opposition. he is a state senator, not a city council member, so he does not have any say in the zoning. does he oppose the building altogether or does he just oppose the KOZ and other tax incentives? if he opposes the building altogether, what recourse does he really have? what can he do to stop it?
Honestly, very little. He's resigning soon anyway, but as a state senator he can control any state tax breaks that the building might have received and he can use his position to do some arm twisting with the mayor, governor and councilman Clarke. All the arguments I've heard from Fumo, et al sound like they were cribbed word-for-word from every other NIMBY group in the city. And yes, this is a NIMBY situation. Sorry if that acronym is overused but it fits so well here. Fumo himself said he didn't oppose that building per se, just at that location. What other proof do you need? He also claims it's half a block from Comcast Center yet it's smack in the middle of Logan Square. Huh? How can it be both? Mind boggling.
     
     
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*joins applause for Swinefeld*
     
     
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this looks like a cool tower for Philly. Hope it gets built. Also great work Swinefeld for covering the hearing
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2008, 4:22 AM
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This should keep me busy for a little while... Plan Philly posted an hour long video and lengthy article about the commission meeting:

http://www.planphilly.com/node/3532
I can't help but wonder if this building would have been more well-received by the residents at Symphony House and Perlman had the architects been better, more engaging speakers/presenters that could communicate the positives more effectively. We really didn't get someone that can speak well publicly until the young Asian man spoke at the end. To be honest, it's disturbing that an international architecture firm would give such a freshman-college-level type of presentation to a major city planning commission. For example, slides with entire sentences and paragraphs on them being read aloud by the presenters between "uhs" and "ums" is amateurish, and it breaks the most fundamental rules of public speaking. If you have ever taken a speech communication course, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Peter Kelson was the only other somewhat natural speaker.

By starting off the meeting with the hottest issue - the scale of the building - without any type of lead-in immediately turns people off that are not already in favor. I know exactly what Mr. Kohn was trying to do, but it didn't work in my opinion. Instead of identifying with his audience, he came off as presumptuous about their opinions. You make your most difficult appeals at the end once you've lured your audience in through a number of key devices. These people need to learn how to make persuasive arguments, because that's the only way they're going to have a fighting chance to win over the opposition. This meeting could have been colored in a completely different light had they found people to present this well. Instead, the entire thing was colored negatively by Fumo. If they had an engaging speaker, I can tell you right now that Fumo face wouldn't have been the only thing plastered all over the news, and coverage might have been more balanced. I can guarantee that the only things those Symphony house residents remember from that meeting are the image of the building on the skyline, and Fumo's tirade. The meeting failed what it intended to do from the architect and developer's point of view, which was to break misconceptions and hopefully win over support, and I'm discouraged by that.

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Fumo

Fumo is now on his attorney-managed PR tour, to change his public image to that of a civic-minded, regular kinda' guy. That stuff works. Remember how Paris Hilton carried a Bible to jail? That certainly wasn't her idea and it did change perceptions - at least until she got out. Another ploy for rich guys that actually go to jail is to "develop" prostate cancer a la Michael Milken, who is now out, healthy and spending the money he went to jail for.

But don't get any criminal ideas - poor health and public sympathy only work when you've got high-priced lawyers. Oh! And don't kill anyone, unless you can afford OJ's lawyers: Note the recent case of the Manson follower who's "dying" but didn't get out.
     
     
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