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Theater would pump $3.3 million into economy, study says

The committee also is recommending that the consider two other sites — land available as part of the Camden Centre development planned on the block between 100 South, 200 South, 500 West and 600 West; and a 3-acre parcel immediately north of Grand America on the corner of 500 South and Main Street.
If the City can get hold of this property, I think this is a very good location, which will act as a southern anchor for Main Street. It will also help extend Main Street further South.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 3:27 AM
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Hope for a Restored Japantown Keeps Committee Working
Future of an ethnic corridor uncertain as economy slows
07/14/2008

http://www.utahpulse.com/featured_article/hope_for_a_restored_japantown_keeps_committee_working

Fear of a recession is hindering progress on plans for a new and restored Japantown in downtown Salt Lake City.

Until the 1960s, the area currently occupied by The Salt Palace was an ethnic enclave occupied by Japanese immigrants brought by the mines, railroad and internment camps.

The aging community failed to survive being displaced by the county’s development plan. Now all that’s left are two churches on 100 South between 300 and 200 West: the Japanese Church of Christ and the Salt Lake Buddhist Temple.

Battles with The Salt Palace for the land in recent years led to proposals for a city and county supported development project. Former Judge Raymond Uno, head of the Japanese Community Preservation Committee, would like to see a mixed-use project with Japanese-themed residential and commercial buildings.

“We could do something interesting and unique with a walking community drawing commercial, residential and tourist business,” he said. “Something economically feasible that would pull the Japanese community together.”
But no developers have stepped forward to lead the project. Without that, the city and county are hesitant to pledge money.

Uno believes a plan must be drafted that will excite local restaurants and merchants into pledging interest. With that support, it might be possible to attract a developer, and later tax support.
Worries over a slowing economy are making things difficult.

“People like to say, ‘that’s a big deal, where you going to get the money?’ It’s not an easy project. People are not totally sold,” Uno said.

Almost every developer they’ve approached has expressed interest, but none have followed up or through. He believes that developers will remain cautious until it’s clear the nation isn’t heading into a recession.
Not least among the hang-ups is the problem of securing all of the properties in the area. Just blocks from the heart of downtown, the area is prime real estate even if the buildings and lots are commercially underutilized.
Committee vice-president Jani Iwamoto is optimistic that something will be worked out because ethnic enclaves have been so successful for business and tourism in California.

In addition to Japantown, plans are also being made to restore the Italian and Greek enclaves that existed to the west, she said.

In the Bay Area, Japantowns have been successful at satisfying interest in both tradition culture and contemporary exports like Anime. With the right mix, it could be a place where people live and work, as it was during the first half of the last century, as well as a place for people to shop, eat and stay.

Albert Kubota, a member of the board of trustees for the Church of Christ, believes a solid plan will be difficult, but exciting, to create.

A revitalized Japanese hub will be good for the two churches, which have served as anchors for the community. But worshipers are also hoping plans will be sensitive about the kinds of clientele sought.
“Liquor, for example, would not be in our best interest,” he said.

The Buddhist church needs more parking and its current lot is attractive to The Salt Palace for expansion. The Church of Christ is aging and needs improvements. Moving or renovating the churches would be expensive, but without them Japantown would lose its credibility, he said.

Despite all of these difficulties, considerations and worries, the committee is still committed to the project because it’s about more than money or renovation.
“We want to perpetuate our traditions, culture and language,” Uno said.

In the 1960s, the community was losing young people fast. They didn’t want to stick around and run the family businesses or marry the neighbors’ son or daughter, he said. The older generation remained the core of the community, but they didn’t have the money or energy to regroup after being displaced by the basketball arena.
Disbelief was the initial reaction of the community when the announcement was made. Many were aware of the county’s desires, but believed an alternative plan would win the day. So oblivious was the older generation to the decision that even the Utah Nippo, the community newspaper, was unaware.

When demolition crews began tearing down the building, the publishers were inside churning out the next edition. The staff did not know of their eviction and was caught by surprise when told to move immediately. A new location was found, but only a few more issues were printed before it closed.

Unlike the Chinese, who largely abandoned their enclave after the 1920s, the Japanese have remained an active and important part of Salt Lake City.

Beginning in 2005, the community has held the annual Nihon Matsuri festival every spring on 100 South to promote Japanese culture.

Even though it was young people that drained the community in the 1960s, he believes it is young people that are now revitalizing it. As Japanese culture has become cool, teenagers and youth are becoming more interested in the ways of their grandparents and ancestors.

Iwamoto believes this is the key to financial feasibility. Japantowns in San Jose and San Francisco have done an excellent job with marketing both to customers interested in tradition as well as new releases.

Samurai, tea ceremonies, sumo wrestling, kanji and Zen meditation may not seem to have much in common with Yu-Gi-Yo cards and Hello Kitty, but Iwamoto says the new is inspired by the old. Many fans of the culture enjoy both and vibrant Japantowns understand that.

The customer base appears to be present with or without a mercantile Japantown. The Salt Lake Valley boasts dozens of Japanese restaurants serving everything from high-end sashimi to fast-food rice bowls. Several small businesses specialize in Anime; Samurai and Ninja weapons are a mainstay at local sword shops. Nearly every mall has a vendor with kimonos, fans and wooden sandals, and it is becoming common to see roadside stalls selling banzai trees.

Uno believes convincing some of these businesses to invest in Japantown would be good for the city, good for the Japanese-American community and good for tourism.
“The opportunity is there, we must grasp it,” he said.
     
     
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RFPCME, Some excellent points above, which leads me to ask a question or two. Do you have a feel for Brazil's recent announcement into an Eastern Utah oil shale committment? Do you think that this is only the tip of or beginning of an energy development tidal wave, that the contrarians in Washington will not be able to hold back? Is Brazil being used as the first shots fired in Huntsman and Hatch's war against the fanatics?
Delts: I was very interested in Huntsman's quote in the SLTrib today from the Governor's conference, in which he said he was dismayed by the Under Secretary of Energy's admission that we will always be importing foreign oil. We may always be importing oil, but we sure as Hell can cut down the amount and change whom we have to buy it from. The current Administration's energy policy is lacking, although I will give them props for accelerating the EIS that is underway in eastern Utah, although Hatch may have had more to do with that than the Administration. Candidly, Huntsman may be doing himself a political favor by distancing himself from the current Administration.

I have no take on the proposed Brazilian development in eastern Utah. It is so small and relies on current technology. I don't think it matters much.Things really will not begin to happen until the EIS is finished sometime next year. Once that is done, the big boys will jump in. I'm guessing, but I suspect there is a lot of designing and testing going on right now. Companies will want to be ready to go once the lid is off. They just need to know what the rules are going to be, and the EIS should establish those.
     
     
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Sorry guys, but oil shale isn't going to happen. Way too much water, way too much energy needed to profitably produce. Even if that wasn't enough you have the pollution and contamination problems. A cap and trade system is coming - sooner in Utah than elsewhere it seems, and makes this whole project a loser in financial and ecological terms.
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 6:16 AM
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Hell yea with the Lexie Towers. ( I know a girl once with the name of Lexi so that shouldn't be too hard to remember. ) A 11-story building such beats a two story building any day.
Any idea on when this project will breakground?
Thanks T-mac and Viperlord for the info.
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nice!!! I about shit my pants with excitement over this news. I was very angry at the original proposal for this site. Seemd like a horrible waste of space. ... this is a good height for 300 E. IMHO. ... Attractive building as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 15, 2008, 9:07 AM
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I like the design alot, but I LOVE the location! To get a tower in that area of the skyline we would need to move abravenal hall or convince "the church" to incorporate it into CCC. ... I would be fine with either, as I think that this is a very important area for height in our skyline because it will allow us to go even taller in the 100 to 300 S. region without looking out of place. ... I wish the city would rewrite the zoning laws so mid block towers weren't frowned upon, I know towers can go mid block I.E. eagle gate, University Club, and 222 S. Main, I just wish the zoning laws were written different because there are only so many corners available in DT SLC in the CBD where towers of height are allowed.. ....


BTW that is very good drawing skills. I am envious!
     
     
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Not quite sure why we would need to move Abravanel Hall or convince the LDS church to accomodate. From the drawing it looks as if the tower would occupy the southeast corner of 1st and Main. I would gladly exchange Bennion for that tower any day. While Bennion is okay as far as remakes, it lost it's historical appeal or significance about three redo's ago. That's also a great placement visually, when taking into account the future Towers 1,2, & 5.
     
     
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Six Salt Lake City addresses eyed for Broadway theater - Center to cost $81.5M, may pull in $3M a year

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700243251,00.html


It seems like every one of the six locations being looked at could use the positive impact of this theatre. I think this would be one of my favorite options Urbanboy. Heaven knows that location on Main could sure use the classy addition.

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New YWCA shelter to accommodate 300, near 300 East and 300 South


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I think my two favorite locations for the theater would be either the block mentioned two posts up, on the corner of 500 S and Main but my first choice would be the spot next to Squatters, across the street from Rose Wagner. While all locations would be nice, and the 500 S as well as the 500 S locations would do great things for the neighborhoods I think that placing it on the Squatters site would simply ad to the existing performing arts in the neighborhood, giving that entire area a nice critical mass of arts. I also would mind the parking lot on Pierpont behind the Peery for the same reason.

Push come to shove I'll take any of the six sites over the burbs (sandy).
     
     
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I really like the Lexie Towers, I especially like that they have both apartments and condos. I keep complaining that there are too many condo and too few apartment projects, but I understand that it is probably a better investment to build condos into a high rise than apartments, so this seems like a good compromise. It reminds me of many of the residential buildings in Madison Wisconsin, which I love. If SLC would pick up on some of the street life in that city we would be headed in the right direction.
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I have to preface my statements by saying that I cannot understand why it would cost 80 million dollars to construct a theater though admittedly I am no expert in the field. I trust their numbers it just seems extreme. I also think that local leaders should all they can do to avoid using local tax streams as funding for the project. Tourism and ZAP taxes are ideal for projects like this.

Having said that, I have to agree with FutureMayor I really like the spot next to Squatters, though I have to agree that I find all of the proposed locations to be better than Sandy.

I just hope that Mayor Becker and Brother Mayor can keep working with a sense of urgency. There is only so much arts funding available out there and Sandy will be strong competition.
     
     
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I realize I just commented but I was out of commision for a day and missed it. lol

The downside I see to the 500 S as well as the 500-600 W location, is that initially there might be a lack of vibrancy surrounding the new theater, while the other locations, Squatters, Pierpont and Main St locations, there is already some vibrancy and life surrounding those properties.

Yes I realize that the theater would bring new development to those areas, but initially it would be a little barron in my opinion. The west side of the Gateway, near the 500/600 W site proposal is developing towards that location, it would catch up within a year or two. I would anticipate the 500 S location taking years to become a vibrant area, not because of the lack of use from the theater but because or our buddy Earl owning the only undeveloped block nearby. Who know if that block will even get developed in the next 10-20 years. I would hate to have this beautiful new state of the art theater that looks onto a parking lot right out the front door. Rather than walking out the lobby doors and seeing a vibrant urban setting with restaurants and retail store fronts.
     
     
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I would anticipate the 500 S location taking years to become a vibrant area, not because of the lack of use from the theater but because or our buddy Earl owning the only undeveloped block nearby. Who know if that block will even get developed in the next 10-20 years. I would hate to have this beautiful new state of the art theater that looks onto a parking lot right out the front door. Rather than walking out the lobby doors and seeing a vibrant urban setting with restaurants and retail store fronts.
Ya know Future Mayor, that's a real good point. Infact, on second thought I would want some sort of committment from the Holdings as to what and when they plan to do something about their stranglehold on the west side of Main at that location. Otherwise, yes the other locations surrounding the other performing art's venues would be best. I guess I'm just overly anxious to get more things going on the south end of downtown as soon as possible.

I look forward to the day when what is now the south end will be more Mid-town.
     
     
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I really like the Lexie Towers, I especially like that they have both apartments and condos. I keep complaining that there are too many condo and too few apartment projects, but I understand that it is probably a better investment to build condos into a high rise than apartments, so this seems like a good compromise. It reminds me of many of the residential buildings in Madison Wisconsin, which I love. If SLC would pick up on some of the street life in that city we would be headed in the right direction.
Here's a pic of their current development (Jar Investment) on 900 East. Looks like the quality, height and density will be a good product for that location.

http://www.jardevco.com/galMillCreek.html

Located at 3944 So. 900 East, Salt Lake City, Utah. Mill Creek Terrace is a 5 story deluxe highrise building, located in the center of the east side of Salt Lake Valley. With spectacular views of the Wastch Mountain range, the City, the Great Salt Lake and the beautiful sunsets that make the evenings in the historic Salt Lake Valley so beautiful. With secured, garaged parking, Mill Creek Terrace is elevated assisted and fully handicapped accessible.


Lexie Tower Looking at Jar's past development quality, this project should be a pretty exciting addition to downtown.

Located at 300 E. 200 So., a deluxe highrise tower of 11 stories. Located in Salt Lake's downtown district. This building will have commercial space on the main floor and a parking terrace below ground. The top four floors with consist of 50 penthouse condos with awesome views of the surrounding mountains, valley and the Great Salt Lake. The remaining 6 floors will consist of condominiums or apartments.

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Not quite sure why we would need to move Abravanel Hall or convince the LDS church to accomodate. From the drawing it looks as if the tower would occupy the southeast corner of 1st and Main. I would gladly exchange Bennion for that tower any day. While Bennion is okay as far as remakes, it lost it's historical appeal or significance about three redo's ago. That's also a great placement visually, when taking into account the future Towers 1,2, & 5.
Actually, I'd prefer a tower like this to go on the South West corner of 100 South and State Street, there is also plenty of parking literally next door there at the Regent Street Garage.
     
     
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I have to preface my statements by saying that I cannot understand why it would cost 80 million dollars to construct a theater though admittedly I am no expert in the field. I trust their numbers it just seems extreme. I also think that local leaders should all they can do to avoid using local tax streams as funding for the project. Tourism and ZAP taxes are ideal for projects like this.

Having said that, I have to agree with FutureMayor I really like the spot next to Squatters, though I have to agree that I find all of the proposed locations to be better than Sandy.

I just hope that Mayor Becker and Brother Mayor can keep working with a sense of urgency. There is only so much arts funding available out there and Sandy will be strong competition.
I think the cost is so high because of the price of land. I wish Earl Holding were developing the "proscenium" on his property.
     
     
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