AUSTIN | 5th & Congress Towers | 830 FT | 70 FLOORS | 420 FT | 30 FLOORS

GoldenBoot · #1 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 8:51 PM**

Below is a very preliminary rendering of the eastern elevations for the two, proposed, T.Stacy & Associates towers...

Left: ~32 or 33-story, ~420' office/retail tower
Right: ~66 to 70-story, ~830' hotel/condo tower

jaga185 · #2 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 9:32 PM**

It's ok, but it sure does give some amazing height for Austin.

deerhoof · #3 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 9:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Below is a very preliminary rendering of the eastern elevations for the two, proposed, T.Stacy & Associates towers...

Left: ~32 or 33-story, ~420' office/retail tower
Right: ~66 to 70-story, ~830' hotel/condo tower

where did you get this rendering from?

KevinFromTexas · #4 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 9:42 PM**

I'm curious to see how this works out. I normally don't like angled or twisting towers, but we'll see. It could end up being a fantastic design.

Complex01 · #5 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 9:46 PM**

Love that height...

AusTex · #6 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 9:49 PM**

GoldenBoot, Thanks for starting this on the Texas & South Central Regional section. I personally would like to see a thread in this section for all the buildings in Austin. Why the are scattered all about this great site is a mystery to me. Thanks Again.

This rendering made me think about the building at The Green proposed by Tramel Crow [far right below]. Instead of twisting it sways up the heigth of the tower. At 700 plus feet and 800 plus for T. Stacey we just might get two very interesting buildings.

Lets keep Austin Weird!

Texas Tuff · #7 Posted **Jul 9, 2008, 11:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Below is a very preliminary rendering of the eastern elevations for the two, proposed, T.Stacy & Associates towers...

Left: ~32 or 33-story, ~420' office/retail tower
Right: ~66 to 70-story, ~830' hotel/condo tower

This looks like a pretty interesting design and if I recall correctly, the taller tower looks a little different than the originally proposed T. Stacy building from a year or two ago (I think the original looked similar but didn't twist). Is this proposal the one that was moved over a block or so from the original site?

MichaelB · #8 Posted **Jul 10, 2008, 12:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Below is a very preliminary rendering of the eastern elevations for the two, proposed, T.Stacy & Associates towers...

Left: ~32 or 33-story, ~420' office/retail tower
Right: ~66 to 70-story, ~830' hotel/condo tower

I JUST REALIZED THIS IS A RENDERING LOOKING FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST! AH HA! WAS I THE LAST TO CATCH THAT? (BE KIND!)

So yeah, the tallest component was shifted to the northeast (on the right in the rendering). What is in the foreground is the parking garage "they" are building.

NormalgeNyus · #9 Posted **Jul 10, 2008, 2:30 AM**

looking at the pic it doesn't look like its twisting it looks close to the orginal drawing just more streamlined

hookem · #10 Posted **Jul 10, 2008, 4:46 AM**

The taller building sure doesn't look 315' taller than Frost, at least from that angle...

KevinFromTexas · #11 Posted **Jul 10, 2008, 5:59 AM**

No, it doesn't. Of course, I doubt this drawing is exactly to scale, so don't rely too heavily on this, but the Bank of America Center is 318 feet to the main roof. So imagine taking the Bank of America Center (black tower) and sitting it atop the Frost Bank Tower. It just doesn't look that much taller. If I had to guess I'd say it's around 700 feet tall or so (in this rendering). One of the original heights for the building was "705+ feet tall" so we'll see. This rendering might not be showing it at its full height for fear of people being shocked by it. If the building ends up being 830 feet tall, it'll be amazing. Back in 2000 we didn't even have a building half that height to say "This building will be twice as tall as that one." Crazy.

Spaceman · #12 Posted **Jul 11, 2008, 10:11 PM**

Hold on guys....Stacy has to build it and that is the question being asked around town...I hate to bash this guy but he has a record of bull--------g the public....

southsideatx04 · #13 Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 3:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Spaceman

Hold on guys....Stacy has to build it and that is the question being asked around town...I hate to bash this guy but he has a record of bull--------g the public....

agreed.

Jdawgboy · #14 Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 4:37 AM**

I doubt he is bull crapping to the public, but he may advertising alittle too early about what he wants to do. His company did renovate the Bank of America tower and did a great job of it. I just think if he is going to do this project maybe he should hold off on news announcments until there are more official dates on when construction will start ect... The short bank building on the corner is now vacant with no new contracts as far as I know, wich means that it is basically on the waiting block to get torn down.

texboy · #15 Posted **Jul 12, 2008, 3:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spaceman

Hold on guys....Stacy has to build it and that is the question being asked around town...I hate to bash this guy but he has a record of bull--------g the public....

Word in the construction industry is this guy likes to come up with these pie in the sky proposals that are huge just to get his name in the news. Everyone does know T. Stacy's name! Hes very well known with all the construction science profs here at A&M! lol

At any rate, if this project gets built (which I highly doubt even 50% of it will come to fruition) it would be an incredible boost to the downtown skyline. With the market the way it is, and office occupancy rates decreasing in Austin, this project would only hurt DT right now as far as saturating the market with office and residential space it doesn't need.

GoldenBoot · #16 Posted **Jul 14, 2008, 2:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by texboy

Word in the construction industry is this guy likes to come up with these pie in the sky proposals that are huge just to get his name in the news. Everyone does know T. Stacy's name! Hes very well known with all the construction science profs here at A&M! lol

At any rate, if this project gets built (which I highly doubt even 50% of it will come to fruition) it would be an incredible boost to the downtown skyline. With the market the way it is, and office occupancy rates decreasing in Austin, this project would only hurt DT right now as far as saturating the market with office and residential space it doesn't need.

Let's remember a one thing...he's not proposing to build these towers tomorrow.

If built, he's 18-24 months away from securing the financing necessary to build the office tower (~32 stories) and at least 24-36 months away from trying to secure construction financing on the hotel/condo tower. Therefore, delivery of the office tower will not take place for 42-48 months from now; plenty of time for the economy, and market, to change one way or another.

What might be more valuable to him is to take this project through the city - get the entitlements to construct what he's currently proposing and sell the land to a developer who will end up constructing it!?!

MichaelB · #17 Posted **Jul 14, 2008, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoot

Let's remember a one thing...he's not proposing to build these towers tomorrow.

If built, he's 18-24 months away from securing the financing necessary to build the office tower (~32 stories) and at least 24-36 months away from trying to secure construction financing on the hotel/condo tower. Therefore, delivery of the office tower will not take place for 42-48 months from now; plenty of time for the economy, and market, to change one way or another.

What might be more valuable to him is to take this project through the city - get the entitlements to construct what he's currently proposing and sell the land to a developer who will end up constructing it!?!

As always GB... you lend wisdom to our domain! Thank you.... I especially think you are correct that he would be better off selling the project. These rendering seem to be a speculative revamp of the original design. (I wonder if the original architect knows of these? Was it Pelli?) Great for stimulating interest.

Question: Does this continued speculation hurt his credibility were it matters....with investors and lenders? (I know it does with me, but, Hey, he won't be askin' me for money!)

KevinFromTexas · #18 Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 1:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Goldenboot

What might be more valuable to him is to take this project through the city - get the entitlements to construct what he's currently proposing and sell the land to a developer who will end up constructing it!?!

Tom Stacy has done this very same thing before. He was the original one that arranged for the development of the Frost Bank Tower, then known as Congress at Fourth. If you go to his website and look under 'Project Portfolio" it talks a little about that:
http://www.tstacy.com/portfolio_deta...building_id=61

KevinFromTexas · #19 Posted **Jul 19, 2008, 5:26 AM**

Susman Tisdale Gayle Architects had a page on their website about a "5th & Brazos Garage".

http://www.stgarchitects.com/site.html

On their website, it's listed under Portfolio>In design

The ATX · #20 Posted **Jul 19, 2008, 8:42 AM**

The rendering looks good, at least as much as a parking garage can look good. The 6th Street area could really use the parking spaces.