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Old Posted Jul 10, 2008, 1:24 AM
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Listen people I just came back from chattanooga and it's the first time i've been there in 8yrs and alot has changed especially with the downtown water front they have the southern belle that takes you on boat trips in 2hr increments dinner/sightseeing and they have the high speed ferry also all in all they've done a good job with their d.t. i'am so jealous that we dont have this also the d.t. theatre they have is awesome.Me and my family rode the free electric shuttle bus everywhere it stops everywhere d.t. and the aquarium was very nice also we really need an aquarium.lots of places to eat also.and most didn't close until 11pm.Take notes mobile..
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2008, 1:34 AM
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Boeing fixed its personnel problem? Why did I read a report the other day about 787 delays because of "personnel issues?"
Nationally? Not that I've read. Locally? Can't say -- don't read your newspapers. Of course, that's apples to oranges, unless it was a massive governmental fraud incident that caused the 787 delay.



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Why would Alabama lose jobs because of this? Boeing's employees are working here (Huntsville area) on rockets, etc for the space program.
Your mayor and state officials are actively campaigning against Boeing. There's something about biting and hands.

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The size of the A330? I've read that Boeing is considering resubmitting with the 777! The 777F is 209 feet long while the longest derivative of the A330 is 208 feet. The MTOW for the 767 is 7900 ft, 777 is 8200 ft at a minimum, and the A330 is anywhere between 7200 and 8200 ft. What upgrades are you speaking of?
Not at this point, no. They're touting the benefits of their 767 from here to the end of time, especially considering the need for larger storage area (given the A330's larger size), larger taxi areas in some cases (wider, longer) for the other plane.

And again, the fuel cost difference between the two planes is the same as the cost of the contract. Where's the benefit in that?
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2008, 4:21 AM
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Nationally? Not that I've read. Locally? Can't say -- don't read your newspapers. Of course, that's apples to oranges, unless it was a massive governmental fraud incident that caused the 787 delay.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008028852_global020.html

http://www.pr-inside.com/boeing-787-may-face-more-delays-r679309.htm

--- same vain as above: http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5giZXf0v6uGzsm3-h1bVCbhs1Q0UA

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Your mayor and state officials are actively campaigning against Boeing. There's something about biting and hands.
MY mayor is in south Alabama... Huntsville is extreme north Alabama. Why would a person in Mobile saying something have effect over a plant in Huntsville? Why would they pull out of a venture that big over someone voicing disapproval over a military contract? Tell me.

State officials: it's a different situation than stumping against Boeing. It's not that total of a negative. They are campaigning against Boeing in getting this contract that will GO OUT OF STATE.

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Not at this point, no. They're touting the benefits of their 767 from here to the end of time, especially considering the need for larger storage area (given the A330's larger size), larger taxi areas in some cases (wider, longer) for the other plane.

And again, the fuel cost difference between the two planes is the same as the cost of the contract. Where's the benefit in that?
The difference in storage area, taxi areas is negligible. You do know they are very comparable designs... (aside from the more modern systems and cockpit on the A330)

Fuel cost is quite subjective based on the flights. The main difference is that the A330 has more range and has more cargo space than the 767. Of course you will burn more gas, but you will carry more burning more gas.
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So how is this the same as the last big scandal?

EADS has scandals too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4760087.stm & http://www.google.com/search?q=EADS+scan....mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Northrop-Grumman, too: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7832

Again, N-G sold defective aircraft to the Navy. And as a counter to Boeing paying $75 million for overcharging, N-G paid $111 Million.


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MY mayor is in south Alabama... Huntsville is extreme north Alabama. Why would a person in Mobile saying something have effect over a plant in Huntsville? Why would they pull out of a venture that big over someone voicing disapproval over a military contract? Tell me.


Because 9,000 employees is more than 3,200 employees. There are plenty of states that would be happy to have those operations.

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State officials: it's a different situation than stumping against Boeing. It's not that total of a negative. They are campaigning against Boeing in getting this contract that will GO OUT OF STATE.
Alabama's stake in Boeing's revenue is very very very low, so again, hands and biting.

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The difference in storage area, taxi areas is negligible. You do know they are very comparable designs... (aside from the more modern systems and cockpit on the A330)

Fuel cost is quite subjective based on the flights. The main difference is that the A330 has more range and has more cargo space than the 767. Of course you will burn more gas, but you will carry more burning more gas.
The cockpit on the A330 is NOT more modern. It is designed to appear that way, but still maintains analog features that the Boeing design did away with long ago. The refuelling boom on the A330 is far less flexible as well, and given a 25% fuel discharge during each mission, that 25% increase of fuel usage starts to eat into the argument.

Also, given its increased size (30% larger, I believe?), it limits the options in landing, doesn't it? Don't forget we've got bases splotched all over the world, so distance is not as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

Finally, the A330 has been designed to be less combat ready, from its size to its near-primitive defense system, it's simply a big clunky plane that has some use when the situation is more or less peaceful. What about the wars of the future? The ones with high-speed tactical jets? Your large tanker holding way more gas than it will use in mission looks like a big moving target, doesn't it? Bigger radar signature, less maneuvarable...

Hmmmm
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2008, 6:08 AM
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So how is this the same as the last big scandal?
When you hear of so many problems on a new line you begin to ask questions.

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EADS has scandals too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4760087.stm & http://www.google.com/search?q=EADS+scan....mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Northrop-Grumman, too: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7832

Again, N-G sold defective aircraft to the Navy. And as a counter to Boeing paying $75 million for overcharging, N-G paid $111 Million.
These articles are proving what I have been thinking... both plans have had past corruptions but Boeing seems to think its hands have been washed. We need to remember why this contract is still going on. It was a scandal between Boeing and government officials that ended up throwing the contract back to bidding.

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Because 9,000 employees is more than 3,200 employees. There are plenty of states that would be happy to have those operations.

Alabama's stake in Boeing's revenue is very very very low, so again, hands and biting.
I recognize the point you are trying to make. Again, why would the state need to choose between the two after the state and Boeing have had dialogue about the state fighting for the tanker contract? There are 73,000 direct aerospace jobs in Alabama, by the way.

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The cockpit on the A330 is NOT more modern. It is designed to appear that way, but still maintains analog features that the Boeing design did away with long ago. The refuelling boom on the A330 is far less flexible as well, and given a 25% fuel discharge during each mission, that 25% increase of fuel usage starts to eat into the argument.
Also, given its increased size (30% larger, I believe?), it limits the options in landing, doesn't it? Don't forget we've got bases splotched all over the world, so distance is not as big a deal as people are making it out to be.
I would like to see where you get your stats, because you word it to make it seem that it was such an easy choice when the rest of the world's airlines recently have been buying a330's more than the smaller derivatives of the 767's. Besides, one of the critical shortfalls of Boeing's proposal was size. Remember how the AF was critiqued because "it wasn't specified" that size would be a factor?


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Finally, the A330 has been designed to be less combat ready, from its size to its near-primitive defense system, it's simply a big clunky plane that has some use when the situation is more or less peaceful. What about the wars of the future? The ones with high-speed tactical jets? Your large tanker holding way more gas than it will use in mission looks like a big moving target, doesn't it? Bigger radar signature, less maneuvarable...

Hmmmm
We've gotten by with decades old tankers... why should we have to guess and be critiqued on the immensely different possibilities of future wars? In different scenarios each plane would have better effectiveness. The reason behind this "indecision" is that the AF liked EADS/NG's proposal (they should know better than Patty Murray about defense capabilities) and Boeing was left in the cold holding only their own propagandized statistics that released to the public hoping people would use them as the God's honest truth. Ask any unbiased enthusiast, the competition was close, and it was a judgment call and the AF picked the one that better suited their needs. Now, if the competition changes and the rules change you might see a different story.

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Old Posted Jul 10, 2008, 12:09 PM
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This will be my last post on the Air Force Tanker contract (at least until the contract is re-awarded!), since we can continue to debate this forever, but it will ultimately be the Pentagon/Air Force which makes the decision (hopefully in the next 5 months).

Let me begin by reiterating that I want the best plane for our soldiers and our taxpayers. If it is Boeing's plane, then so be it. On the other hand, it sometimes appears that some Boeing supporters are not interested in the United States getting the best plane for its soldiers, but only that the United States get a Boeing plane, regardless of the two planes' merits. If it is true that Boeing's plane is superior, and N.G.'s is inferior, then perhaps the Senators and Congressmen from Washington and Kansas will kindly consider withdrawing their support for the bill that they introduced that either gives the contract to Boeing, or forces the Pentagon to consider new criteria that places Boeing at formidable advantage in the new competition? Obviously there's no need for such a bill if Boeing's plane is superior on the current merits.

I also wanted to add that my original post was not meant to imply that scandals are limited to Boeing. Rather, it was meant to point out that Boeing's latest attempt to portray itself as the protector and defender of the American taxpayer, and its current argument that cost to the taxpayer should be the overriding concern in this competition, is disingenuous to say the least. In the not so distant past, Boeing admittedly ripped off the American taxpayer systematically, and did so with apparent impunity (until it was caught).

Cost is, and should be, a valid consideration in the competition. But, there are other considerations, too, and, if the totality of the criteria favor N.G., then N.G. deserves the contract. Period. If, by contrast, Boeing's plane wins a majority of the criteria, then Boeing should be awarded the contract.

We all know, at this point, that the Air Force erred in calculating the life cycle cost of Boeing's plane, and that Boeing's plane actually offered the lower life cycle cost after proper recalculation. However, what we do not know is how this one criteria affects the overall competition. For instance, to my knowledge, we (the public) don't know the true difference in life cycle costs at this point, because that information was redacted in the final GAO report. We also do not know, at this point, whether the other benefits of N.G.'s plane, if any, outweigh this sole factor. If we did know this, then (i) it would be unnecessary to rebid the contract, or, at the very least, (ii) it would be unnecessary for the competition to last another six months. The new competition will answer these questions, and then we can all find out which plane is best for the Air Force.

The final point that I would like to make is that Boeing supporters have been much, much more vocal in disparaging N.G. and the Air Force than Alabamians have in disparaging Boeing. Instead of letting the appeals process work as it should have, Boeing and its supporters in Washington and Kansas, among other states, made the conscientious decision to wage a P.R. battle in newspapers, in print, and on Capitol Hill. (Incidentally, N.G. does have a presence, albeit minimal, in both Kansas and Washington. One must wonder how concerned the Senators from Washington and Kansas are about these jobs). Speaking of jobs gained and lost, time will tell if Boeing's decision in this regard will have any adverse implications for future contract opportunities with foreign governments (which, in turn, would affect future job opportunities for American workers in Washington and Kansas). There has certainly been some indications in the press that foreign European governments are upset by Boeing's actions after the contract was awarded to N.G. For Boeing and its workers, and for the American public in general, let's hope there will be no future adverse implications.

I hope that I speak for all Alabamians in saying that we welcome and appreciate Boeing here in AL. We also understand that Boeing is vital to our continued economic success. But, many here feel that N.G.'s plane is superior on the merits, and of course feel somewhat slighted by the efforts of Boeing supporters to ensure that Boeing wins the tanker contract, notwithstanding lipservice to a free, open, and fair competition.

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Speaking of biting and hands...did I not read somewhere a letter to the editor or statement by a NG official pointing out that NG had a line in Kansas, and that they'd hate to have to consider moving it? I paraphrase, of course.
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Yeah, I read that too. but who cares anymore.

Have any of ya'll read milking the moon? Its a great book book about Eugene Walters. The first few chapters are about growing up in the early 1900s Mobile.
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This will be my last post on the Air Force Tanker contract (at least until the contract is re-awarded!), since we can continue to debate this forever, but it will ultimately be the Pentagon/Air Force which makes the decision (hopefully in the next 5 months).

Let me begin by reiterating that I want the best plane for our soldiers and our taxpayers. If it is Boeing's plane, then so be it. On the other hand, it sometimes appears that some Boeing supporters are not interested in the United States getting the best plane for its soldiers, but only that the United States get a Boeing plane, regardless of the two planes' merits. If it is true that Boeing's plane is superior, and N.G.'s is inferior, then perhaps the Senators and Congressmen from Washington and Kansas will kindly consider withdrawing their support for the bill that they introduced that either gives the contract to Boeing, or forces the Pentagon to consider new criteria that places Boeing at formidable advantage in the new competition? Obviously there's no need for such a bill if Boeing's plane is superior on the current merits.

I also wanted to add that my original post was not meant to imply that scandals are limited to Boeing. Rather, it was meant to point out that Boeing's latest attempt to portray itself as the protector and defender of the American taxpayer, and its current argument that cost to the taxpayer should be the overriding concern in this competition, is disingenuous to say the least. In the not so distant past, Boeing admittedly ripped off the American taxpayer systematically, and did so with apparent impunity (until it was caught).

Cost is, and should be, a valid consideration in the competition. But, there are other considerations, too, and, if the totality of the criteria favor N.G., then N.G. deserves the contract. Period. If, by contrast, Boeing's plane wins a majority of the criteria, then Boeing should be awarded the contract.

We all know, at this point, that the Air Force erred in calculating the life cycle cost of Boeing's plane, and that Boeing's plane actually offered the lower life cycle cost after proper recalculation. However, what we do not know is how this one criteria affects the overall competition. For instance, to my knowledge, we (the public) don't know the true difference in life cycle costs at this point, because that information was redacted in the final GAO report. We also do not know, at this point, whether the other benefits of N.G.'s plane, if any, outweigh this sole factor. If we did know this, then (i) it would be unnecessary to rebid the contract, or, at the very least, (ii) it would be unnecessary for the competition to last another six months. The new competition will answer these questions, and then we can all find out which plane is best for the Air Force.

The final point that I would like to make is that Boeing supporters have been much, much more vocal in disparaging N.G. and the Air Force than Alabamians have in disparaging Boeing. Instead of letting the appeals process work as it should have, Boeing and its supporters in Washington and Kansas, among other states, made the conscientious decision to wage a P.R. battle in newspapers, in print, and on Capitol Hill. (Incidentally, N.G. does have a presence, albeit minimal, in both Kansas and Washington. One must wonder how concerned the Senators from Washington and Kansas are about these jobs). Speaking of jobs gained and lost, time will tell if Boeing's decision in this regard will have any adverse implications for future contract opportunities with foreign governments (which, in turn, would affect future job opportunities for American workers in Washington and Kansas). There has certainly been some indications in the press that foreign European governments are upset by Boeing's actions after the contract was awarded to N.G. For Boeing and its workers, and for the American public in general, let's hope there will be no future adverse implications.

I hope that I speak for all Alabamians in saying that we welcome and appreciate Boeing here in AL. We also understand that Boeing is vital to our continued economic success. But, many here feel that N.G.'s plane is superior on the merits, and of course feel somewhat slighted by the efforts of Boeing supporters to ensure that Boeing wins the tanker contract, notwithstanding lipservice to a free, open, and fair competition.

Pretty well said.

It would have probably been a good idea to have started a seperate thread for the AF Tanker Project similar to how "Alabama in the running for VW?" was kept seperate from "Huntsville updates." I don't know what the majority would think of this at this point, but thought I would throw it out.

I would read both threads anyway, so it does not make a real difference to me. Just a thought...
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Something for the children

we need something for the children, a zoo would be great downtown north of where they tore down the housing projects, i think Broad st ends somewhere in there, but a zoo with a huge farris wheel, a double decker merry go round, just a small amusement park and there is enough land there for a small central park like area and there is water running through there perfect for a walk way and some nice bridges for walking and maybe carriage rides, they could put retail shops, just a nice place to spend the day have picnics in the park a place where families can play football or whatever...we have all this entertainment for adults but what about the kids i mean we are the largest school district in alabama, meaning we have the most children here, yet we have limted entertainment and activities for children and families ,,,and also what about movies under moonlight in cathedral square, thats a perfect sight for free movies, they can make money off consessions, like hotdogs ,popcorn, drinks, cotton candy ect. we could have an early movie on sunday for the children and a later movie for the adults...
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Mobiman, I had the same thoughts about showing movies downtown. In fact, I just ate lunch with a person who works for the Downtown Mobile Alliance, and mentioned that I thought that movies in cathedral square would be nice! We did the same thing in ATL, and so many people turned out for the Turner classics. People would bring blankets, food, beer or wine, and have a picnic. The person from the downtown alliance indicated that he would look into the feasibility of it. He did mention that the Saenger is currently showing classic movies on Sunday nights, in case you're interested in that.

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LOL at the spire lighthouse. Maybe it's time to try a different design on the top of something.
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So how is this the same as the last big scandal?

EADS has scandals too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4760087.stm & http://www.google.com/search?q=EADS+scan....mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Northrop-Grumman, too: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7832

Again, N-G sold defective aircraft to the Navy. And as a counter to Boeing paying $75 million for overcharging, N-G paid $111 Million.




Because 9,000 employees is more than 3,200 employees. There are plenty of states that would be happy to have those operations.



Alabama's stake in Boeing's revenue is very very very low, so again, hands and biting.



The cockpit on the A330 is NOT more modern. It is designed to appear that way, but still maintains analog features that the Boeing design did away with long ago. The refuelling boom on the A330 is far less flexible as well, and given a 25% fuel discharge during each mission, that 25% increase of fuel usage starts to eat into the argument.

Also, given its increased size (30% larger, I believe?), it limits the options in landing, doesn't it? Don't forget we've got bases splotched all over the world, so distance is not as big a deal as people are making it out to be.

Finally, the A330 has been designed to be less combat ready, from its size to its near-primitive defense system, it's simply a big clunky plane that has some use when the situation is more or less peaceful. What about the wars of the future? The ones with high-speed tactical jets? Your large tanker holding way more gas than it will use in mission looks like a big moving target, doesn't it? Bigger radar signature, less maneuvarable...

Hmmmm





I thought that the Boeing operation in Huntsville is with Space exploration not aviation .N.G just did an expansion in Huntsville on the Red Stone Arsenal.


Didn`t this Alex guy tell us in a later post that Seattle makes big bucks and Mobile is economicaly depressed ? It seems as if your state and city are doing most of the complaining buddy !!


We (Mobilans) aren`t coming on the Seattle thread your coming on ours which we don`t mind but what the hell this Tanker talk is getting out of hand . Alex are you worried ,well with Seattle making big dough in all and not realy needing this 40 bill dollar deal ? I believe that is a bunch of bull crap who wouldn`t wan`t it hell there are 2 states against 1 Washington and that piece of trash state Kansas by the way what the hell is Kansas known for anyway ? Oh yeah I got it Kansas the state of perpetual whining !
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A little harsh Port of Bama, but i understand your fustration but lets not go down to there level. Alex.... Your not going to change anyminds here about who the contract should go to and how corrupt Boeing is. This region (Northwest Florida, South Alabama, and Southern Mississippi) has a lot of anti boeing additude. Not just over the tanker deal but Boeing lying to us and taking advantage of our communties in the past.

So lets all just end this tanker talk for now and we can have a nice conversation about it in December.

Lets get back on topic about Mobile.
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A little harsh Port of Bama, but i understand your fustration but lets not go down to there level. Alex.... Your not going to change anyminds here about who the contract should go to and how corrupt Boeing is. This region (Northwest Florida, South Alabama, and Southern Mississippi) has a lot of anti boeing additude. Not just over the tanker deal but Boeing lying to us and taking advantage of our communties in the past.

So lets all just end this tanker talk for now and we can have a nice conversation about it in December.

Lets get back on topic about Mobile.
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Attention good People of Mobile

I think we should get back on track and think of ways we can help make some of our ideas become realities...Ive read everyones post and we have some very intellegent people here...i Believe if we all get together, have our on meetings and put some of our ideas on paper we could present them to the city...There are ways we can raise money, sell candy, sell t shirts put those big water bottles in stores and other businesses, talk to business owners, we can find private funding we can raise money ourselves, It seems thats the only way some of these ideas dreams and views are gonna become real, somany of the people running this city are set in their ways, and we do need what they are providing, but if we want to live in a city that looks and operates the way we want it to, then we have to do something about it, so put your ideas on paper and let us have our own meetings put something together and present it to the city after all we are the city, after all without us there would be no city
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^ As much as your idea may be scoffed at as idealistic, I actually think it'd work if used as a force. Motivated people who know the issues fired up to accomplish goals. There really isn't a force like that outside the typical motivated developers and small group of motivated homeowners. Even they only are concerned about their little micro-environments. Save the even smaller groups of environmental concerns.

The first step would be for everyone here to agree on a priority list and categories. Everyone here has local public ideas. They all cost money. Yucca bushes in a median (ok...my bad joke again). Lighthouse ideas. Etc.

Then there are bigger public project ideas....I-10 Bay Bridge concepts, I-265 by-pass possibilities, Etc.

Then there are zoning issues...Spring Hill, etc.

Then there are mega-development priorities to consider. Race Track killing rivers or transportation to a new steel plant or port issues or cruise ships or bridges to Brookley Field.

And on and on. Haven't even addressed a big issue talked about here all the time...downtown livability. And how to draw more to downtown. And transportation. And urban living. Auditorium use. Best use of other properties. Parks.

If you want to address government with real influence (and I believe you could with all these people here), you need a consensus priority list like you say. And you need a volunteer who can deliver them charismatically and with no shame.

I'd suggest debating a priority list now.

If you guys ever pull this off I demand you help me do the same in Pensacola. If there was ever a town that needed a consolidation of priorities and a dream for the future...it is this sad town. Some focus above leaders lack of....that'd be a dream come true.
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I could say a lot about my feelings on Boeing, but I'll just condense it and move on.

My opinion of Boeing and its supporters could not be more negative.

No one w/ half a brain is worried Boeing will pull out of Huntsville. To do so would effectively remove them from the space business and give their opponents a very profitable new revenue stream. It's such a lame, toothless threat that it's funny to watch Boeing's pathetic little supporters try to use it. I mean..... really?

I could say a LOT more about Boeing and the ignorance and racism displayed by its supporters in Seattle, but this will be it for now.


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I like the idea of projecting movies in Cathedral Square. I think a film festival in general in the LODA area from Cathedral to Bienville Squares during Summer would be nice. A cartoon film festival one Saturday a month May - September maybe. They could block off sections of the streets through there and set up small-ish tents w/ projectors and have a single flat rate to enter w/ local vendors/shops open at regular rates. Have some events for kids, show some of the older Disney movies, maybe. Have some events for kids and people in some favorite character costumes in the crowds. Perhaps a photo op w/ the Trail Maids? They could have it end at 8 and that would keep it from conflicting w/ the weekend crowds in the area.

I LOVE the idea of an aquarium in the area, but where would you put it? I think putting something really nice in the place of the grocery store on the corner of Broad & Govt. would be a great way to kick off redevelopment there. It would also complement the beautiful churches there and be both visible and accessible to the citizens of the city. I know that DT needs grocery stores, but that one's kind of seedy-looking, IMO. Something along the lines of Ripleys aquarium in Gatlinburg would be a great size for Mobile.

The zoo idea would be nice as well. Another case of where to put it. I would've liked to have seen that whole neighborhood north of the PR building flattened and turned into land for public use... not necessarily as a park in the traditional sense, but perhaps a zoo or something in a similar vein. That would "seem" to be the only area where you could get significant space that close to the interstate right now, though the Civic Center property & the areas just west of it might be an interesting option.
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In my opinion, the first priority should be to implement the movie showings at Cathedral Square. The reason being, it may not be overly expensive to do (particularly if we could get the Saenger or one of the movie theaters in town to donate the movies), and it could produce tangible results (happy families getting to watch movies and happy business owners who may benefit from it) in a short period of time. Moreover, we could then explain our other ideas to a large group of people who (hopefully) come to watch the movies, and maybe some of these people would be interested in helping us to fulfill our other goals, either through volunteering or financial donations.

I've also thought that it would be nice for downtown Mobile to have a museum of natural history devoted primarily to dinosaurs. Children love dinosaurs, and it would give Mobilians and visitors something else to do and to see. The museum could have some life sized replicas of smaller dinosaurs, and could have interactive games of some sort. I was thinking that the museum could go in the old American Red Cross building on Broad Street (it looks pretty big from the outside), which could spur future development along that corridor (if you have large groups of people there, maybe more restaurants and shops would open).

I also really like the idea of an aquarium, although, given the flooding problems of downtown during hurricanes, the site choice would have to be made carefully.
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