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Old Posted Jul 7, 2008, 5:04 PM
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No, Concerto is not starting on the second tower yet, unfortunately. The structure you see there rising on the right is the low-rise building going up on Flower. It will be 5 or 6 stories, depending on how you look at the renders. There are more pictures of Concerto in the Mid-rises thread.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2008, 6:45 PM
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2008, 10:04 PM
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Oh Gawd!!! I hope the rest of the glass panels on the Ritz won't look that dirty!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2008, 10:23 PM
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Hehe, ole' Joel is at it again........

LOL....you guys are going to love this.

Suburbia's not dead yet

Some believe high gas prices will force a migration back to cities. Don't bet on it.

By Joel Kotkin
July 6, 2008

While millions of American families struggle with falling house prices, soaring gasoline costs and tightening credit, some environmentalists, urban planners and urban real estate speculators are welcoming the bad news as signaling what they have long dreamed of -- the demise of suburbia.

In a March Atlantic article, Christopher B. Leinberger, a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution and a professor of urban planning, contended that yesterday's new suburbs will become "the slums" of tomorrow because high gas prices and the housing meltdown will force Americans back to the urban core. Leinberger is not alone. Other pundits, among them author James Howard Kunstler, who despises suburban aesthetics, and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, see the pain in suburbia as a silver lining for urban revival.

Not so fast. The "out of the suburbs, back to the city" narrative rests more on anecdote than demographic or economic fact. Yes, high gas prices and rising sub-prime mortgage defaults are hurting some suburban communities, particularly newly built ones on the periphery. But the suburbs remain home to a majority of Americans and a larger proportion of U.S. families -- and people aren't leaving those communities in droves to live in cities. Even with economic growth slowing, many suburbs, exurbs and smaller towns, especially those whose economies are tied to energy, are continuing to do better than most cities in terms of job creation and population growth.

The ominous predictions that the end of suburbia is at hand echo those in the 1970s, when there was also a run-up in gasoline prices. Then it was neo-Malthusians such as biologist Paul Ehrlich, the author of "The Population Bomb," who argued that the idea of suburbia was unsustainable because it eats up so much land and energy. But suburban growth continued as people bought more fuel-efficient cars and companies moved jobs to the periphery, which cut commuting times. Contrary to pundits' forecasts, during this decade of high energy prices, the country's urban populations, for only the first time in recent history, actually fell, according to a census analysis by economist Jordan Rappaport at the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

But today's gas prices, at more than $4 a gallon, are the highest ever, and the prospects of them significantly dropping any time soon are slight. The conditions for an exodus from suburbia to the cities would seem ideal once again.

Nevertheless, since 2003, when gas prices began their climb, suburban population growth has continued to outstrip that of the central cities, with about 90% of all metropolitan growth occurringin suburban communities, according to the 2000 to 2006census. And the most recent statistics from the annual American Community Survey, which is conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, show no sign of a significant shift of the population to urban counties, at least through 2007.

The flat condominium markets in most large urban markets are another sign that people are not streaming into cities from the suburbs and buying. Many condo projects in such cities as Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami and San Diego have either been canceled or converted into rentals, with many units remaining vacant. As a Southern California condo developer told me recently, lower house prices are not going to make people more disposed to buying apartments.

But the biggest reason the suburb-to-city narrative is not following the script of the urban boosters and theorists has to do with employment. Living close to your workplace makes sense, not only because it cuts commuting costs and reduces greenhouse-gas emissions -- by saving time, it also gives people more time for family and leisure activities.

The problem for many cities is that they lack the jobs for people to move close to. Since the 1970s, the suburbs have been the home for most high-tech jobs and now the majority of office space. By 2000, only 22% of people worked within three miles of a city center in the nation's 100 largest metro areas.And from 2001 to 2006, job growth in suburbia expanded at six times the rate of that in urban cores, according to an analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics by the Praxis Strategy Group, a consulting firm with which I work.

A desire to live closer to their jobs doesn't mean that people have to move to the inner core, particularly if that's not where the jobs are. Of the 20 leading job centers in Southern California by ZIP Code, none are downtown. The central core does remain an important job center, but it accounts for barely 3% of regional employment. Among those who work downtown, some may shift from cars to public transit, although many will simply buy a more fuel-efficient car and stay put in the suburbs.

For residents who live in suburban areas with large concentrations of employment -- Burbank, Ontario and West L.A. -- commutes to work can be shorter than those experienced by their inner-city counterparts, according to Ali Modarres, a professor of geography at Cal State Los Angeles. Commutes in these communities, on average, are less than 25 minutes, while in high-density areas, such as Pico-Union, they average 35 minutes.

The relative and continuing health of these suburban employment centers would seem to preclude any large-scale flight to cities. But urban areas with limited or shrinking employment opportunities, and suburbs that bet on housing to sustain their economies, will continue to have trouble attracting residents either because of a scarcity of jobs or long commutes at a time of expensive gas.

The suburb-to-the-city narrative faces other obstacles. By the early part of the next decade, the large millennial generation born since the early 1980s will begin to form families, and they will, as have previous generations, probably seek open space and good schools for their children -- and that means they will settle in the suburbs. And there is no census evidence suggesting that immigrants have reversed their decade-old pattern of moving to the suburbs.

The growth of telecommuting, fed by technological advances, further ensures that suburbia has a future. By 2006, the expansion of home-based workers had grown twice as quickly as in the previous decade. And by 2015, according to demographer Wendell Cox, there will be more people in the country working electronically from home full time than are taking public transit.

More numerous will be those who work at home part time. Nearly 29 million Americans telecommute at least once a month, according to WorldatWork, a nonprofit consultancy. At many companies -- IBM, Sun Microsystems and AT&T among them -- upward of 30% of their employees work from home. In some regions, such as the San Francisco Bay Area and Los Angeles, almost one in 10 workers are part-time telecommuters, according to a 2004 study done by Resources for the Future, a Washington-based think tank.

Continuing high energy prices will likely change the nation's geography, but not in ways some urban theorists are predicting. Rather than cramming more people and families into cities, they may instead foster a more dispersed, diverse archipelago of self-sufficient communities. From here, that looks like a far more pleasant scenario not only for suburban and exurbanites but for urban dwellers who don't want to live under dense conditions reminiscent of 19th century industrial cities or the teeming metropolises of the contemporary Third World.

Joel Kotkin is a presidential fellow in urban futures at Chapman University and executive editor of the website www.newgeography.com
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2008, 5:41 AM
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Anyone knows why the stopped adding floors on 717 Ninth. My office over looks this building and there has not been any workers on the top of the floor for over two weeks. Additionally, the crane has not been moving.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2008, 1:06 PM
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JDRCRASH, don't worry about the glass on the Ritz. The Trump tower in Vegas looked like — and then one day looked a thousand times better all because they had finally cleaned all the glass panels inside and out. Apparently glass panels have a huge amount of dirt, dust and grime when they arrive to building sites. I'm more curious about how they will light the top of the Ritz to really make it's impact in the night skyline. I'm still dissapointed there's no lighting scheme atop Evo. Look at how cool 717 Olympic is at night with it's blue glow...Evo could've done something subtle yet still stand out
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2008, 1:51 PM
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Anyone knows why the stopped adding floors on 717 Ninth. My office over looks this building and there has not been any workers on the top of the floor for over two weeks. Additionally, the crane has not been moving.
—! Really? Can anyone else confirm?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2008, 3:00 PM
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^ No..717 Ninth is still going strong. I can see workers in the parking garage area and also on the current top floor right now.

I was skeptical like you ucland yesterday, but the developers may have given their construction workers an extended holiday.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2008, 5:04 PM
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Joel likes to mix apples and oranges and call it lemonade.

[QUOTE=JDRCRASH;3658433]:
Suburbia's not dead yet

By Joel Kotkin July 6, 2008


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Then it was neo-Malthusians such as biologist Paul Ehrlich, the author of "The Population Bomb," who argued that the idea of suburbia was unsustainable because it eats up so much land and energy. But suburban growth continued as people bought more fuel-efficient cars and companies moved jobs to the periphery, which cut commuting times.
Just because suburban growth continued, doesn't mean it is sustainable.


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Nevertheless, since 2003, when gas prices began their climb, suburban population growth has continued to outstrip that of the central cities,
Gas prices have fluctuated over the years 2003-2007. 2008 is the first significant increase that is really hitting the pocketbook. You can't compare the previous years. And it really is too soon to see where the population in the peripheral suburbs will relocate permanently.

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The flat condominium markets in most large urban markets are another sign that people are not streaming into cities from the suburbs and buying.
What he doesn't mention is the large number of new dwellings in the city core that are now occupied, and the the credit crunch is to blame for recent flat sales.


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Many condo projects in such cities as Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami and San Diego have either been canceled or converted into rentals.
"purchased or rented" still equals more people moving into the core. It's the changing credit market that is most to blame for canceled projects. And, in downtown LA anyway, there is still a large number of units coming on-line every month and there has been absorption.

I believe the far flung suburbs will dwindle as those people move in toward the city. It doesn't mean they will move to downtown, but they will densify the surrounding suburbs. Joel stated the same thing, but then his beloved suburbs turn more "city like" if they are becoming more dense.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2008, 3:34 AM
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JDRCRASH, don't worry about the glass on the Ritz. The Trump tower in Vegas looked like — and then one day looked a thousand times better all because they had finally cleaned all the glass panels inside and out. Apparently glass panels have a huge amount of dirt, dust and grime when they arrive to building sites.
Gasp! You mean they can actually clean glass panels??? This changes everything... what a relief! And here I thought they were permanently dirty... now I'm just glad I don't have to do the cleaning.

     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2008, 3:38 PM
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^ LOL. Imagine if the Ritz opened its new building, and all the windows were filthy! And their excuse was, well, sorry, they're permanently that way, there's not much we can do!
     
     
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Ultra-Modern Tower Proposed for 9th & Olive

By Stephen Friday
July 8, 2008

Some forward-thinkers are already planning ahead to surf Downtown’s next big development wave.

Kim Benjamin, president of Laeroc Partners (and co-founder of the Historic Cultural Neighborhood Council), recently submitted an application to gain entitlements for a new 31-story tower to rise on the northeast corner of 9th and Olive.

Preliminary plans call for 283 residential condominiums, five ground-floor commercial condo units, and 669 parking spaces to replace a current parking lot surrounding the historic Coast Federal Savings Building (known today as the Washington Mutual Building), also owned by Benjamin.

Early architectural renderings show an ultra-modern style structure, a design choice which may be questionable considering the historic context of the neighborhood. (Benjamin has been contacted to release images for publication.)

The developer is concurrently seeking city approvals to convert the 12-story Washington Mutual Building, built in 1926, into 100 for-sale residential units with 40,000 square feet of office, restaurant and retail space.

Together these two projects would generate nearly 400 new condominiums in a housing market falling prey to shifting demand.

Is this a strategic decision to preempt market changes over the next three to four years?

It seems any new proposal of this scale today would have to be.

     
     
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Early architectural renderings show an ultra-modern style structure, a design choice which may be questionable considering the historic context of the neighborhood. (Benjamin has been contacted to release images for publication.)

That is such a provincial way of looking at the organic growth of a city. What are developers supposed to do? In vain attempt, copy the architecture in the historic core (like the Grove) because modern architecture "clashes" with historic architecture?

Cities across the world with large stocks of historic buildings have ultra-modern structures incorporated right along side these historic buildings. With great success. Some examples right off the top of my head: New York, Chicago, London, etc.

I thought we've been down this road before?


Here are a few pics I took of modern architecture along side historic buildings.

New York










     
     
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If we were talking about a district consisting of, say, 95% historic preserved structures (think New Orleans French Quarter), then I'd say keep the modern buildings out.

That clearly is not the case in Downtown L.A., anywhere other than maybe El Pueblo. Certainly not at 9th and Olive. That area needs investment, not historic preservation.
     
     
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If you look at the aerial photo (or stand on the corner), the corner of 9th and Olive has more surface parking lots than historic buildings on it or adjacent to it. So that argument really has no grounds. As Walter would say, "architectural style is not the issue here, Dude. The other Lebowski, the millionaire!"
     
     
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It the yellow crown on top of 1010 Wilshire there to stay? It looks terrible and has been there for a while now. If I'm not mistaken it officially opened last month. It almost looks like unfinished construction.
     
     
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From: The Downtown News

City Readies a Beautiful 'Vista'


Park on Long-Troubled Belmont Learning Center Site to Open This Week

by Anna Scott
http://www.downtownnews.com/articles/2008/07/14/news/news01.txt


This week, City West will get a lot greener with the debut of a 10-acre park. If some people thought it might never arrive, that's understandable: It is opening on a notorious site where construction first began a decade ago.

Still, it is a case of better late than never for proponents of the Vista Hermosa Park. The facility, along with a new high school next door, slated to open in the fall, comprise a $350 million investment that will help transform Downtown's western edge.

"The Vista Hermosa Park provides an outlet for relief for families in a densely populated area," said City Councilman Ed Reyes, whose First District includes the park. "The park provides a place for people to sit and contemplate nature, an athletic field for active recreation, and an outdoor classroom for students at the nearby school to have science classes."

On a recent morning, cement trucks rolled along the edges of the park. Inside, a cluster of young, potted trees sat on the patio by the main entrance at First and Toluca streets, waiting to be placed. Construction materials lay scattered nearby, while plastic covered freshly poured concrete walkways and yellow police tape cordoned off garden areas still being planted.

By 10 a.m. this Saturday, when the park debuts with a ceremony to include Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Second District County Supervisor Gloria Molina and Reyes, among others, every detail will be in place. The final result, said Dash Stolarz of the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, which will operate the park under an agreement with the Los Angeles Unified School District, will be an urban refuge.

"We wanted to bring the features of the national parks in the mountains to the center of the city," said Stolarz. "The park also connects the neighborhood to the city, and to the rest of Downtown."

Green Approach


The $14 million Vista Hermosa ("beautiful view" in Spanish) features paved trails that wind gently up hills to multiple terraces. Highlights along the way include a children's play area with a giant plastic snake and turtle to climb on, an amphitheater with an artificial waterfall and graded flat rocks for seating and picnic areas.

An adjacent soccer field will be shared by the LAUSD and the city Department of Recreation and Parks. From the field's artificial turf to the mostly native Southern California plants, everything is designed to be eco-friendly, said Stolarz.

"The Conservancy's core mission is to protect natural resources," she said. "That's what we've done here, especially with regard to water conservation. Every drop of water that comes here stays here."




To that end, all of the park's ground surfaces are made from permeable materials that allow water to seep through to irrigate plants. A 20,000-gallon underground cistern will capture and circulate water throughout the park. The roofs of the two restroom facilities and a small administrative building are planted with greenery to help keep the structures cool. The green rooftops also create a nicer view of the park from surrounding high-rises, Stolarz noted.

"We have the view," she said as she peered at the Civic Center from one of the park's higher perches. "But the neighborhood also has the view."



'People's Park'


City West, the neighborhood west of the 110 Freeway, has become a residential hub in recent years.

Glossy high-rises like 1100 Wilshire, the GLO apartments and TenTen Wilshire have sprouted along Wilshire Boulevard. Meanwhile, the area surrounding Vista Hermosa houses the recently opened Canvas L.A. apartment complex and the upcoming Belmont Station Apartments, as well as smaller apartment buildings and single-family homes.

While the Echo Deep Pool recently reopened nearby, the area and its increasing population face a noticeable lack of green space.

"I think the park is going to be well-utilized by the people who live here," said Mamta Patel, a City West resident who represents the area on the Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council's board of directors. "It's really needed. I will definitely use it for recreation and if there are events there."

Stolarz said that the park will offer regular educational programming and entertainment, along with a place to have lunch or kick a soccer ball. The Conservancy, she said, is meeting with various area nonprofits, including the City West-based Shakespeare Festival/LA, about how they might utilize the facility for performances and events.

"It will be the people's park," she said.

When the neighboring Edward R. Roybal Learning Center, expected to attract 2,800 high school students, opens in the fall, the project may also help to diminish its own troubled history.

Construction on the site first began about 10 years ago, and was originally intended to bring a high school, retail and housing to the 35-acre plot. Known at the time as the Belmont Learning Complex, building was halted after the discovery of dangerous gases and an earthquake fault on the onetime oil field. While the project languished, the housing and retail elements were canceled. Eventually, plans were reconfigured and the project received a significant push from then-LAUSD Supt. Roy Romer. Ultimately two buildings near the earthquake fault were torn down. Construction finally resumed in 2006.

"The old Belmont Learning Center, in its complete failure, was what we were known for as a district seven, eight years ago," acknowledged LAUSD Chief Facilities Executive Guy Mehula. "As we finish this up and have a safe, quality school there, it puts a lot of demons behind us."

The park, said Mehula, was key in getting the school off the ground a second time. "The park was an integral piece of the package that we were able to bring to the community and get approved," he said. "Not only does this bring a school that this neighborhood deserved, but it brings open space to what is one of the most underserved, under-parked areas in the country.

"I hope everyone in the entire community is able to look at what's here and now," he added, "and at moving forward instead of focusing on the history of a decade ago."
     
     
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Here's another rendering of Indigo (formerly known as South Park Towers) from the Meruelo Maddux website...

     
     
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build it. NOW!

I know that alone is being perhaps somewhat naive, but Im prepared to jump into the deep end and hope for phase 2 as well.
     
     
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Indigo is boring as hell. But it's infill so it'll do I guess.
     
     
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