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Old Posted Jul 4, 2008, 2:31 PM
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New Halifax convention centre brewing after Midtown sale
Developer buys watering hole
By STEVE PROCTOR Business Editor
Fri. Jul 4 - 9:14 AM

One of Halifax’s most prominent watering holes has been sold and may be demolished to make way for a convention centre.

Developer Joe Ramia confirmed Thursday he completed a deal late last week to buy the Midtown Tavern and Grill on Grafton Street, a move that clears the way for a proposed convention centre on the tavern site and adjacent Chronicle Herald property.

Mr. Ramia’s company, Argyle Developments, bought the two-block Herald property in March 2007 and had planned a mixed commercial-residential development for the site.

But with the province and city issuing a call for proposals in March for a new convention centre, and the possibility of the Midtown purchase looming, Mr. Ramia said his company switched gears and has been working on developing a concept for a convention centre.

"We’re still working on the plans with the architect," he said Thursday, unwilling to offer any details. "You’ll see it in a couple of weeks."

The sale of the Midtown followed a year-long court battle that resulted when the children of the tavern’s ailing owner, octogenarian Doug Grant, couldn’t agree on the future of the business or the building.

The court appointed accountant Paul Goodman of BDO Dunwoody Goodman Rosen as financial guardian for Mr. Grant and gave him the power to dispose of the owner’s shares in the tavern. The $1.5-million sale to Mr. Ramia was completed last week after family members decided they didn’t want to waste any more energy fighting the sale.

"It wasn’t supposed to happen this way," said Eric Grant, the owner’s son, who manages the tavern. "My brother and I have invested 35 years of our lives in the business. There were lots of promises made about who was going to continue the legacy, but nothing was ever written down."

He said his father turned down lots of offers in the past so he could continue to keep workers employed, but his health failed and now he needs the money. The matter ended up in court, and a judge and the receiver decided that the sale to Mr. Ramia was the way to proceed, Eric Grant said.

Although grateful to be able to run the business for another year while Mr. Ramia’s plan for the overall site winds through the approval process, Mr. Grant said it will be a sad day when the Midtown is torn down.

"People are going to miss it, no question," he said.

Mr. Grant said he and his brother will use the year to sniff around for another opportunity in the industry, but he concedes it will be impossible to duplicate the atmosphere of the Midtown. He’s not sure he would even try.

To conform to the province’s specifications, a new convention centre would have to be at least 150,000 square feet, nearly three times the size of the present World Trade and Convention Centre a block away. It is rumoured that the new building would also include office space and possibly a hotel.

Other expressions of interest in developing a new convention centre have come from the Halifax Port Authority, the Hardman Group of Halifax, Bird/Rideau Construction of Bedford, EastPen Inc. of Halifax and Anwyll Fogo Architects of Halifax.

Mr. Ramia said the spate of recent development announcements in Halifax — a 22-storey office complex by ECL Developments, a 16-storey office building by Louis Resnick and Halkirk’s 21-storey condo at the Brewery Market site — is good news.

"It’s all positive," he said. "Hopefully as a city we have turned a corner."

In addition to being a developer and landlord, Mr. Ramia’s business interests include The Brick furniture stores in Atlantic Canada and the Gallery 1 furniture store in Dartmouth.

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Old Posted Jul 4, 2008, 4:55 PM
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I Wasn't sure where to post this so sorry if this is the wrong thread for it:


Source: Chronicle Herald Editoral

To me the drawer of this picture is somewhat implying that there are to many tall buildings going up downtown. This is only helping the heritage nuts and anyone who believes downtown shouldn't be modern and economical.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2008, 5:32 PM
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I'm not a fan of that drawing either. Not only does it imply too many tall buildings, it also implies giant poorly designed monoliths. Which are few and far between in all the new proposals.

On the flip side though, its extremely refreshing to have so much going on right now. 3 developments released in one week! Has that ever happened in Halifax?
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2008, 7:19 PM
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3 developments released in one week! Has that ever happened in Halifax?
I don't think so, this really is good news all around I seriously hope we start seeing some cranes popping up soon.

And that drawing drives me f@*king crazy. It completely sends out the wrong message and vision....

However, that looks as though its looking across the harbour towards kings wharf area which looks nice and built up
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2008, 10:17 PM
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That picture has to be the most ignorant 🞵🞵🞵🞵 I have ever seen.

🞵🞵🞵??? is our media making subjective commentary on modern architecture?? Do these nuts actually believe that this brutalist type of development will occur? Have they been outside of Halifax anytime recently to see how valuable modern buildings are to making a city feel alive and vibrant (instead of the mass of parking-lots and unfriendly environments that currently exist). I say shame on you 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. Ignorance is something that I cannot stand for.

This is hilarious coming from an artist for a newspaper... Doesn't he remember the fact we lost a newspaper this year? Is this not correlated to the lack of economic growth and the people/money required to support media outlets such as newspapers?

Usually I like the political cartoons in the newspaper, and I understand that everybody has a right to an opinion and political viewpoint. This is just plain ignorance, as the artist (Bruce McKinnon?) obviously knows nothing about the actual debate. Additionally, the viewplanes are why Halifax has not seen any development and to say that we are losing a significant amount of visual integrity from the Citadel is counter-intuitive. I cannot believe that people who are supposed professionals in our popular media produce images of this nature.

This is rediculous and completely one sided... I think a political cartoon with Halifax looking like a bombed out city and Phil Pacey smiling would be more accurate.

I think that this is a smear campaign and a totally uneducated commentary.
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It's just a cartoon.
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I agree guys... but come one... it's just a cartoon. It's Bruce MacKinnon's job to poke fun and make commentary on current affairs... and with so many tall buildings announced in such a short time... this cartoon was a no brainer. I didn't like it either... but you know... it's just a cartoon. I wouldn't take it so seriously.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2008, 2:35 PM
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Being right for the wrong reasons

By ROGER TAYLOR
Sat. Jul 5 - 5:31 AM




PART OF THE hype behind the creation of HRM by Design — the new plan for development of downtown Halifax — has always been the suggestion that it will create certainty about what is allowed and therefore will spur construction.

Well, it seems those who were promoting HRM by Design as a catalyst for development are right, but for all the wrong reasons.

Developers are lining up to get their projects going before HRM by Design is accepted by city council, which should prompt councillors to question some of the rhetoric coming from the supporters of the design plan.

No matter what the reason, the palpable excitement created about the future development of the downtown is an important, positive step for Halifax.

It was no secret that the plans were coming from the development community, although they took a little longer than expected. It seems a happy coincidence that the provincial government failed to pass legislation that would have allowed implementation of the HRM by Design plan before the spring sitting of the legislature ended. That gave developers time to hone their proposals before making them public.

Developers are now lining up to put their projects in the hopper, thus bypassing the possible height restrictions and potentially more intrusive design criteria associated with HRM by Design. The fact remains, however, that economics will play the most important role in determining whether all the projects on the books will go ahead as planned.

In addition to concerns about future rents, developers must also be concerned about what all this simultaneous building will do to construction costs. If all the projects got going at once it would most probably push up demand for the construction trades and materials.

Mind you, based on past experience, most of these projects won’t get going immediately.

For example, the 27-storey Twisted Sisters project on the site of the old Tex-Park at the corner of Hollis and Sackville streets received the go-ahead last year, but work hasn’t started. The developer, United Gulf, has until the fall of 2011 to get construction going.

In another high-profile case, developer Ralph Medjuck’s Centennial Properties proposal for a waterfront hotel and condo development took three years to get through the planning process with the city, and still construction has not started. Despite having a development agreement with the city, Centennial has been faced with new demands from the province’s Waterfront Development Corp., which owns the land, and it is believed to be in negotiations with the Crown agency to settle outstanding issues.

Goodness knows when all the other projects approved by city council will start construction.

More recently, city council approved W. M. Fares’ 19-storey residential development for the corner of Brenton and South Park streets. And then council gave its OK to Halkirk Properties Ltd., which will build a 21-storey condo complex on the south side of its Brewery Market property, which is bounded by Hollis, Salter and Lower Water streets.

Another Halifax developer, Louis Lawen, through his company Dexel Developments Ltd., is preparing to build a 10-storey commercial/residential building on the site of the old Victoria Suites apartment building at the corner of Hollis and Morris streets.

Armour Group Ltd., headed by developer Ben McCrea, wants to redevelop several of its properties across the street from its Historic Properties retail/office development. The Armour Group plan would maintain the facade of the old buildings while putting up a nine-storey retail and office structure from within and incorporating underground parking.

Downtown property owner Louis Resnick has said he wants to redevelop his Roy Building on Barrington Street. The plan would see a 16-storey retail/office building erected on the site while maintaining the facade of the older structure.

Nova Scotia Power Inc. announced plans this week to build a new "green" corporate headquarters on the site of the former power station on the Halifax waterfront. By the time construction is completed in 2011, the cost of construction is expected to be at least $50 million.

Also this week, ECL Developments, a subsidiary of Empire Co. Ltd., released plans for a 22-storey office tower at the north end of the Granville Mall downtown. International Place would provide retail, office and hotel space.

It is believed ECL would be bidding to have the building become the new financial centre that the provincial government has been talking about. The province has said financial services companies contemplating a move to Halifax are interested in locating in the downtown core.

But there are others interested in attracting the financial services sector to their building.

For example, Argyle Developments, a new company controlled by developer/businessman Joe Ramia, is planning a massive development on two blocks of prime real estate, including the current Chronicle Herald building, fronting on Argyle Street.

Although the plan has not been made public, Ramia recently acquired the Midtown Tavern on Grafton Street, which clears the way for a convention centre, office tower and hotel to be called Nova Centre, Global Trade and Finance.

Earlier this year, the province called for proposals for a new convention centre, which would have at least 150,000 square feet of floor space — almost triple the size of the current centre. Argyle’s plans could change if another company’s project is selected for the convention centre contract.

Others interested in developing a new convention centre include the Halifax Port Authority, Bird/Rideau Construction of Bedford, EastPen Inc. of Halifax, Anwyll Fogo Architects of Halifax and the Hardman Group of Halifax, which earlier revealed a plan to redevelop the controversial Cogswell Interchange lands with the convention centre as a focal point.

It isn’t known what will happen to all these projects, but one thing is certain: People haven’t had this much simultaneous development to talk about in many years, if ever.

There is little doubt this is an important phase in the continued growth of Halifax as the primary financial and business centre in Atlantic Canada.

Roger Taylor’s column appears Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. ( [email protected])
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Developers are now lining up to put their projects in the hopper, thus bypassing the possible height restrictions and potentially more intrusive design criteria associated with HRM by Design. The fact remains, however, that economics will play the most important role in determining whether all the projects on the books will go ahead as planned.
This is a good observation, but he doesn't go far enough. I think it is a very important commentary on the very real shortcomings with HRM by Design. It is fair to say that under HbD, none of these projects would be allowed except for Intl Place and the NSP building. So what does that say about HbD? Is it already outdated and out of step with reality? Will it help Halifax meet its needs for development 10-20 years out? I think not. It seems clearer and clearer that it is mostly just a planning exercise that does not truly meet the realities of today's marketplace and panders far too much to heritage and anti-height fringe groups.
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To me the drawer of this picture is somewhat implying that there are to many tall buildings going up downtown. This is only helping the heritage nuts and anyone who believes downtown shouldn't be modern and economical.
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And that drawing drives me f@*king crazy. It completely sends out the wrong message and vision....
Lol. Wow - It's an editorial cartoon. It's supposed to be comical, which it is. I laughed when I saw it. You can't expect a brilliant cartoonist like MacKinnon to please everyone all the time, though. It's not like the development religion forbids depictions of tall building in unflattering lights.
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There's another comic is today's paper about the view planes.

It says "See the harbor from the citadel" (or something like that) and an ad for X-ray specs. It's not online yet or I'd post it.

This isn't funny anymore.
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It wasn't funny the first time imo. Seriously though, why is he expressing such a one sided and uninformed perspective? Usually the political cartoons have some undeniable quality to them... the viewplanes are the reason that development hasn't occurred and are thus protected. The cartoon would make sense if this was when the first towers were going up downtown, but isn't relevant today.
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There's another comic is today's paper about the view planes.

It says "See the harbor from the citadel" (or something like that) and an ad for X-ray specs. It's not online yet or I'd post it.

This isn't funny anymore.
Another MacKinnon Cartoon? Please tell me he isn't so hard up for ideas he is plagiarizing himself.. Lol

As for the content..I think its funny. C'mon.. we're not going to treat Bruce like Kurt Westergaard now, are we?
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2008, 11:26 PM
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I've seen it and I've got to admit i laughed. Just to clarify i didn't like the last one because of the look of the buildings (ugly) this new one was just funny.
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So I'm sure this will prove to be not very exciting but has anyone noticed this little project between Electropolis and Bishop's Landing? I think it's on the WDC's property and not Emera's. Any idea what's going on? This is the view from my window.

In the last few days they moved from just pouring a foundation to covering it over.
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It part of a set for a movie they are filming called Sea Wolf. I think its going to be there for a couple of weeks IIRC.
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Yes t should make for some interesting spectating.. that is a water tank with a mockup schooner mounted on a gimbel. Should be cool to watch it in action.
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but I've been noticing new billboards up and today there was a full page add for a new development. It's called Harbour Isle. It says its residence, hotel, shops and yacht club. It also says its minutes from downtown Halifax. The only thing is, it doesn't show the building or give an address. Does anyone know what this is? My only guess is the Salters Street Block.......which would be Amazing!!!!

http://harbourisle.ca/
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I doubt it is the Salter Street Block..the notation "minutes FROM downtown" seems to imply that it is not IN downtown. The "Isle" designation is curious too. If I had money to lay, I'd say it is another attempt at Sheppard's Island. Their website is no longer functioning, i checked it out to see if it linked to harbourisle. The marketing strategy is profoundly similar, however: World class living, marketed internationally..etc.
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A little more research, and yup. Here is a link to google maps placement of Harbour Isle Halifax.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie...b=1&view=text&latlng=7291580458088281298
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