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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 5:26 PM
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Okay...I know that this is going to be an abrupt shift in topic...so brace yourself for the brick wall.....HERE IT IS: What's the name of the developer (the person and/or company) for the Hampton Hotel downtown?

And WHY on Earth do people hate the Civic Center so much?
We happen to be lucky to have it...
The Civic Center gets flack because the Convention Center and Mitchell Center have rendered this gaudy hulk nearly irrelevant.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 6:10 PM
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right now it has to be the ugliest thing in the city. if they took down those retarded looking light poles on the top, and painted the dome white it would be 500 times better
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[QUOTE=bayou15;3631874]These won't happen for Mobile;

1) Tanker Project
2) DaLE Jr. raceway park
3) Another skyscraper for downtown
4) A big time (SOLD OUT)concert at civic center


Just curious of your conclusion on #2. Would your doubt be the environmental issues? A feeling the developers aren't on the up and up? Something else you've heard? I'm just trying to get a handle on the doubt regarding this in particular.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 9:15 PM
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I disagree with everything except for # 4. That thing needs a serious makeover.


I heared about a Jazz restaurant and bar being built on the Casue way next to the battle ship.

I was reading the paper today and it mentioned that if the Airforce rebid the contract. A law would be passed to prevent any foreign companies from doing work with the governmant. So assume that Auastal will no longer be able to build Cobamt ships for the Navy, nor Northrup Grunman in Mississippi who just recently won a billion dollar contract with the Navy.


Wouldn`t this ruin forign relations and I know that there are otherforeign comapnies outside of the ones mentioned that would be effected by this. I believd that the contract will be split or it will be givin to NG, the second bid will be a different story all together. The onlything that I am realy disappoited about is that we didn`t have enough political backing, the Fact is NG has the better plane but they are in Boeing`s territory.

I am also sick of peopel actring like this the end of Mobile and the city will crumble and die, the NG contract would certainly speed up the growth in Mobile but will we the city fall in ruins ? I don`t think so NG had 72 sites out of 32 states( includidng Seattle)to choose were they will build the tanker. The chose Mobile we had a 1 out of 72 chances on getting the tanker and now it`s 1 nad 2. If it would have gone any other way such as Ng choosing another city we would care less about who won the tanker to be honest. We came to far 3 yrs and now this. NG is head quarterd in LA, and EADS Virginia where was the political backing from those areas,and the 48,000 other jobs tha would be made in other states including our own. We only had about 2 or three senators from our stste backing us. The keep out tanker ads were nice but not agressive enough.

Mobile still has a chance Idon`t care what anyone says.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 10:29 PM
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I was reading the paper today and it mentioned that if the Airforce rebid the contract. A law would be passed to prevent any foreign companies from doing work with the governmant.
They must have been referring to something else because I do not think they would reverse what our whole country was built on.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2008, 11:40 PM
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They must have been referring to something else because I do not think they would reverse what our whole country was built on.
It was included last month into the House version of the fiscal 2009 defense authorization bill by U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif. It is not included in the Senate version, I don't think it will stick.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 3:42 AM
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These won't happen for Mobile;

1) Tanker Project
2) DaLE Jr. raceway park
3) Another skyscraper for downtown
4) A big time (SOLD OUT)concert at civic center


Just curious of your conclusion on #2. Would your doubt be the environmental issues? A feeling the developers aren't on the up and up? Something else you've heard? I'm just trying to get a handle on the doubt regarding this in particular.
As much as I would like to see the track built I believe they can't get the money. The handful of people who are calling themselves the "developers" have put little money into the project. I do expect the economy to get the blame when they decide not to do the work. The environment is the handy smokescreen right now while they try to get money; the COE is not that difficult to work with. I am saying this from a "knowing the facts" standpoint but I am not able to give you the reasons at this time. I'll be more than glad to eat my words if they pull this off. It will probably come to a decision by September or October at the latest.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 1:49 PM
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Port authority approves bid for $50M in terminal bonds

The Alabama State Port Authority agreed Tuesday to accept Regions Bank's bid to buy $50 million in bonds to finance partially a steel terminal on Pinto Island, moving forward with a plan adopted in November 2006 as part of recruiting German steelmaker ThyssenKrupp to Mobile County.

A large portion of the $50 million will go toward a down payment on three cranes — about $24 million, or 80 percent of the total cost, docks Director Jimmy Lyons said.

The $115 million project is entering the construction phase, with a pair of bids being decided this month.

The first, a $24 million dock construction contract, was awarded to American Bridge Co. on June 11.

Five bids for site preparation that should total about $6.8 million were opened Thursday and are being reviewed.

The terminal — a plum piece of the $811 million or so incentives package that helped convince ThyssenKrupp AG to build its $3.7 billion steel facility in north Mobile County — will move slabs of crude steel made in Brazil from ships onto barges for transport up the Mobile and Tombigbee rivers to the plant.

Zhenhua Port Machinery Co. Ltd. (commonly known as ZPMC) of Shanghai was the low bidder on the cranes, which are set to arrive in October 2009, Lyons said.

The state docks said this week that work on another project, the $11.9 million access bridge for the Mobile Container Terminal, will close a half-mile stretch of Ezra Trice Boulevard starting Friday. The portion of the street that will be closed is between Virginia Street and the north side of the Yeend Street railroad crossing.

Drivers accessing the McDuffie Coal terminal, the Mobile Area Water and Sewer Clifton C. Williams wastewater treatment plant, the Mobile River Terminal and the Mobile Container Terminal will be routed from Virginia or Broad streets to Baker Street, then onto Yeend, according to the authority.

"Workers who traverse those areas will be affected, and should adjust their commute times accordingly," Adams said.

General contractor Hosea O. Weaver and Sons Inc. is driving piles for the bridge now, and work is expected to be complete by August 2009, according to docks spokeswoman Judy Adams.

At Tuesday's meeting, the authority also:

Outlined plans to sell two remaining parcels of former International Paper property near the Berg Spiral Pipe Corp. The authority set a minimum sale price of $38,000 per acre for the parcels, which are 10-plus acres and nearly 42 acres.

Set a goal of 16 percent for its Disadvantaged Enterprise Business program.

Increased the compensation of Washington, D.C., lobbying firm Van Scoyoc & Associates Inc. by $500 per month to $9,750 per month. The resolution gave no specific reason for the increase.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 5:40 PM
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The Civic Center gets flack because the Convention Center and Mitchell Center have rendered this gaudy hulk nearly irrelevant.
Ah! But you also should consider the fact that it is PAID for. So the city could make a MUCH better profit if they would just USE it! That's the problem! We don't have conventions here or major concerts, because the city won't do what it takes to appeal to them...I mean it's ugly but that can be taken care of later on. The most important thing, is that it's not a burden to the city...well it WOULDN'T be if they would just USE it!
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 7:09 PM
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Ah! But you also should consider the fact that it is PAID for. So the city could make a MUCH better profit if they would just USE it! That's the problem! We don't have conventions here or major concerts, because the city won't do what it takes to appeal to them...I mean it's ugly but that can be taken care of later on. The most important thing, is that it's not a burden to the city...well it WOULDN'T be if they would just USE it!
I agree with you on that, but I think it would be MUCH more appealing to artists and fans if it was in better shape. I wouldnt mind paying $10 or 15 more for a ticket if the money went towards a little exterior renovation.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 8:14 PM
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Interior as well.
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 10:47 PM
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I agree with you on that, but I think it would be MUCH more appealing to artists and fans if it was in better shape. I wouldnt mind paying $10 or 15 more for a ticket if the money went towards a little exterior renovation.
But THAT'S exactly my point! If they never actually USE it, then there'll never be a need to renovate it...to make it better.
It's like this: if they continue to use other venues, eventually, the Civic Center will be demolished or something to make room for something else. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's very likely... Or maybe it's me speculating....


And I don't know if it's just me, but I'm seeing the cruise industry in Mobile EXPLODING!
And I don't just mean the number of ships baed here...I see MAJOR cruise ship building here within the next decade...that along with the Airbus commercial planes...Things are looking pretty bright!
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Just in case any of you are interested...I'm sure you've heard of the Foosackly's Billboard and signs that say "We would like to offer Boeing a finger.". Now they're selling a T-shirt with the slogan on Ebay
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"We're all about the outdoors and conservation," said Stephanie Parrish, promotions manager for the new store. "Everybody that works here has a passion for hunting and fishing." Parrish said she enjoys sport fishing and used to work for a boat dealer.
They are so much about conservation that this development destroyed a couple hundred acres of woodlands building it and surrounding retail space. Also, there are so many of these things now (Three within two hours of us) that they have lost the appeal of being a tourist attraction. I just can't see getting excited about this thing.
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2008, 3:23 AM
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I agree with you on that, but I think it would be MUCH more appealing to artists and fans if it was in better shape. I wouldnt mind paying $10 or 15 more for a ticket if the money went towards a little exterior renovation.
The Wharf is quite possibly the worst venue for live music I have ever seen, and it gets a lot of acts. If you were to put the visitor stands from a high school football stadium in a swamp, its basically what you would get. Plus, it is an hour drive from any real population center, and the development itself really has nothing to offer - its half empty. I went to a concert there last year (Poison and Ratt) that was not even half full. The difference is that they have someone that is really out there selling the venue to artists management, and we just don't have that. When we do have a concert, its usually some has been act that couldn't sell out a a show in NYC, so it makes the attendance numbers look bad.
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They are so much about conservation that this development destroyed a couple hundred acres of woodlands building it and surrounding retail space.
All they were conserving were trees, that area was a steep, pine-filled, dump. The store offers a lot to local outdoorsmen that cant be found in places like Academy. And while you may not be excited, many certainly are that they dont have to drive two hours.
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All they were conserving were trees, that area was a steep, pine-filled, dump. The store offers a lot to local outdoorsmen that cant be found in places like Academy. And while you may not be excited, many certainly are that they dont have to drive two hours.
man all he ever does is bash Baldwin County. Something productive happens there instead of in Mobile, and so he complains about it. I just dont understand.... We should all be supporting the entire region and the wonderful state we live in, not talking bad about it all the time
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Sorry to bring up the tanker thing again, but here is an OP/ED from the Wall Street Journal about it:

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB121435038896201509.html

The Tanker Dogfight
June 25, 2008; Page A14


The Air Force has fumbled the bidding for new aerial refueling tankers for seven years now, and suddenly it's John McCain's fault. That's election-year politics for you.
The Democratic National Committee claims it was Senator McCain who steered the $35 billion tanker contract away from Boeing and toward Northrop Grumman and the European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co., or EADS. Democrats say the Arizona Senator was acting on orders from EADS lobbyists who later worked on his campaign staff.

The real story is that there was intense lobbying by Members of Congress on both sides of the aisle during this bid – and that Senator McCain was right on principle to demand a fair and open competition that didn't exclude foreign firms.

This controversy blew back open last week when the Government Accountability Office, Congress's investigative arm, agreed with Boeing that Air Force officials unduly gave extra credit to Northrop and EADS for surpassing specification requirements for the tankers. The GAO also found that the Air Force miscalculated the costs of both the winning bid and Boeing's offering. The Air Force is now expected to request revised proposals from the two bidders and make a new selection. "Boeing and the American people are the big winners in this decision," said Democratic Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington state, where Boeing's tanker, if chosen, would be assembled.

The auditors didn't presume to decide which tanker was actually better. Neither will we. But this imbroglio is a blow to U.S. troops, who are stuck fighting two hot wars with Eisenhower-era tankers while the companies continue their dogfight. American taxpayers will also benefit little from prolonging the bidding process over a math error that amounts to a fraction of 1% of the total contract.
But Senator Cantwell did get the part about Boeing right. The Chicago-based company acknowledged all along that the competition was extremely tight; the basis of its protest was that a handful of decisions wrongly tipped the scales in Northrop-EADS's favor.

We take that to mean that either tanker would fulfill the Air Force's needs, and that Boeing managers were trying to placate shareholders – and perhaps save their own jobs – by appealing to the GAO. While an appeal was certainly Boeing's right, it's quite the spectacle to watch Congressional doves pose as born-again nationalists for domestic political purposes.

Washington state's other Senator, Democrat Patty Murray, railed again last week against what she called "handing billions of American defense dollars to a subsidized, foreign company focused on dismantling the American aerospace industry." Kansas Congressman Todd Tiahrt, a Republican, said it was "outrageous" to award the contract to a "foreign competitor."

Never mind that Defense Department rules explicitly state that companies from some countries, including EADS's home bases of France and Germany, should compete on equal footing with U.S. firms. Or that the Pentagon is barred from considering the effect of its procurements on domestic jobs.

Forget as well that EADS's partner, Northrop Grumman, is an American company. Or that Boeing would build much of its own tanker outside the U.S. Or that EADS would assemble its tanker in several states, including Alabama – whose Governor Bob Riley was in our offices just before the GAO released its findings, talking up the potential for a new aerospace corridor in the Southeast.

The most important point is that looking beyond America's borders is essential if the country is to maintain the best possible fighting force. U.S. companies don't have a monopoly on the best military technology. Closing America's borders to foreign defense contractors could also make life harder for Boeing and other U.S. firms when they try to do business overseas. European leaders will be furious if the Northrop-EADS contract is canceled for what seem to be political reasons, and could retaliate with protectionism of their own.

All the more reason for the Air Force to wrap up the renewed tanker bidding quickly and decisively.
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