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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 2:24 PM
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COB Reclad...

So then, would you guys say something along the line of the new Zions Bank Tower, or the Gateway West/Beneficial Tower as far as the gray scheme and surface style of windows or something else entirely, like the Chase Tower's earth tones? Looking at City Creek's Tower 1, that could also be an excellent route to go.


Gateway West/Beneficial Tower, Citydata


Chase Tower


City Creek/Tower 1

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When did Utah One become the Chase tower?

I think that the excellent design on the SE corner of Second south and Main was called Utah One or am I wrong?

More buildings with that kind of statement would be excellent. Not a clone but using angles and color interaction (tasteful color interaction) with material contrast is very nice.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 5:02 PM
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It is still officially named the "One Utah Center". Some are calling it the "Chase Tower" as the Chase name now appears at the top of the building.

I don't mind either name myself as long as we all know what building we are talking about.
     
     
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^^^^ What the hell?
     
     
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^^^^ What the hell?
It is a Patriarchal religion, and it does teach principals and ideas that can lead to bigotry and prejudice towards other religions and groups of people who do not fit a certain mold.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 5:37 PM
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^^^^

Ahhh.. you are one of those guys. I see. I guess I am now a bigot. Thanks.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 7:09 PM
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Is it really now called the Chase Tower?

I didn't know they changed the name, just added the name to the top of the tower.
     
     
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I don't think they changed the name.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2008, 7:34 PM
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No big deal boys, I'm calling it the Chase Tower because I like it better than Utah One . Obviously, Chase must be the major tenant now, or they are paying a certain premium for the honor of having their name at the top. If you prefer Utah-One then that's cool too.
     
     
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Wrendog, I have found it best to just ignore Urbanboy. I enjoy my reading on these forums that much more when I just skip his posts. It keeps my blood pressure down as well.
     
     
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^^^ I think 4,000 barrels a day was just to start. Hopefully it will reach a lot higher than that because I'm not sure that would even fuel SLC for more than a day...
     
     
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...I still think so.
     
     
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Btw, I did a little research on the Oil Shale deal... unfortunately I don't really think it'll have a significant impact on the local economy as 4,000 barrels a day is next to nothing in the grand scheme of oil exploration and refinement.

Leerjet, I'm also thinking that 4,000 barrels a day is way low. Please check your research again. Perhaps, thats just the very initial output.

RFPCME, could you also chime in here on that figure.

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I'll look into it some more but that was the number put out in the KSL article.

Also Urban Boy, while there may be some validity to your past statements; I really don't think that this is the place to call a religious orginization out on their 'shit' and I think most of us would agree. I am not sticking up for the Mormon church but I just don't think people come here to get your opinions on their faith.

I will say though that I really appreciate and enjoy your thoughts and insights on development. I really think you add a ton to the forum.
     
     
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4000 barrels a day is nothing
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2008, 12:54 AM
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Potential Production from Utah Oil Shale

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I'll look into it some more but that was the number put out in the KSL article.

Also Urban Boy, while there may be some validity to your past statements; I really don't think that this is the place to call a religious orginization out on their 'shit' and I think most of us would agree. I am not sticking up for the Mormon church but I just don't think people come here to get your opinions on their faith.

I will say though that I really appreciate and enjoy your thoughts and insights on development. I really think you add a ton to the forum.
Leerjet: You're right. 4K barrels of production is nothing in the world oil market. When the Saudi's announced last week that they were going to raise their daily production from 9.5M barrels to 10M and eventually to 12M, the world oil markets yawned.

I believe the 4K figure the KSL report is referencing is the initial figure for the operations planned by the Brazilians, which is roughly equivalent to the production from the Sigurd field in south Sanpete County, which is nothing.

A better grasp on the potential production comes from the Bureau of Land Management's draft Environmental Impact Statement, which is now open for public comment. The BLM estimates reserves in the Green River Basin between 1.5 and 1.8 trillion barrels (1 followed by 12 zeros). I have seen similar estimates from the US Geological Survey and Shell Oil, so the reserve is pretty well understood. If half of that is recovered, which is probably a conservative estimate, there is enough energy there to run our country at current consumption rates for the next 400 years! Hard to believe, but true.

In the BLM report, they refer to a pilot plant to produce up to 50K barrels a day within 5 years, which is what the group in Orem is also claiming for their project. The time frame is probably too slow given the increased emphasis around the world. It will depend on how long it takes to get the final EIS approved. My guess is, even on a fast track, that EIS is going to attract enough attention to slow it down considerably.

Best case scenario is that if people started designing the pilot plant today, it might be on-line within 5 years. Once the pilot is on-line, scale up to eventually 1M barrels a day will take 10 years at best, unless the project receives unprecedented government and private attention. It took the Canadians more than 20 years to get production from the Athabasca tars sand to the 1M barrel-a-day level, which is very significant, especially considering that at least 50% of the gasoline that is sold along the Wasatch Front today originates in these tar sands.

If the world remains stable, meaning no major wars nor economic disasters, you will probably see production from Utah oil shale reach 10M barrels per day plus (which is the current level of the Saudi's) in 30 to 40 years. The only limit on production will be water, which limits everything in the West. If water is available, through conservation and improved technology, the production from Utah alone could easily surpass the combined production from all OPEC countries.

Sorry about being so long winded here.
     
     
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A cookie cutter hyatt place hotel image I found. This is basically what the one at the gateway will look like. http://hyattdevelopment.com

     
     
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That looks fun.

Even though we all have varying opinions to one degree or another, I really want to meet all of you (even WasatchOne) in person one day, so I don't mean or want to create any enemies on this forum. I value that I can be fully expressed and hope the same for everyone else.
     
     
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Alright Urbanboy, I am going to apologize for my last comment. I guess that I should say that I do read your comments about development, but your comments about my religion really get me upset. I can understand if you disagree with it, but this is not the place for little comments about someone's faith. You may not see it as an attack, but many of us do and I would appreciate it if you would not continue those attacks in this forum. Please accept my apology for my earlier comments.
T-Mac: As you know, I look forward to your pictures every week, as well as your comments. I learn a lot from you.
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What I don't like is personal attacks, because they don't interest me much. I avoid my home SkyscraperPage Forum (Atlanta) because it's filled with mindless egos. I love sarcasm and have shared a lot of it in this forum, which, on second thought, I should leave behind because it detracts from what is truly interesting in the forum.
All of this has hit home with me in the last week or so because some thoughtless contributor added a tagline to a post, which read: Osama Obama." Since my future daughter-in-law is an arab-American, I have suddenly become very sensitive to thoughtless comments in this forum and elsewhere. My new daughter is on a full-ride academic scholarship at a first rate university and is as patriotic as any person I know. Hearing the abuse she gets because of her last name turns my stomach. I'm sure thoughtless comments about the LDS Church do the same to its members, as do equally thoughtless comments about "liberals" or any other groups. I just hope the personal attacks and careless language is left behind in this forum because they cloud what is attractive about his forum.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 26, 2008, 2:27 AM
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isnt it great to have the Walker Signage back in the skyline

photo credits go to benberry on flickr. Awesome picture Ben.
http://www.flickr.com/people/benberry/

     
     
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