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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 1:03 PM
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I do suspect that the level of opposition is getting somewhat overblown...its not really the most pristine corner of Rothwell heights anyway....but...


I think the problem we are really running into is a lack of good planning as to where densification should be and what type. I have to agree with the residents that mixing high density townhouses with estate lots (that are on wells or septic systems...I forget which) is a really strange thing to do. I can agree with them that doing this would probably devalue nearby homes.

The problem is that we are lacking a good zoning plan as what is to be built in what areas. Instead what we have is a plan that does not give things enough room to grow (or instance height limits downtown) and we are left relying on granting exception after exception to developers in order to be able to get anything built. Frankly it might even be an odd use of that land parcel for residential development....but I am not sure.

All I am really saying is that zoning by exception is not the way to go. We need a much better plan. It is easy to say densify, densify, densify but we need a plan where to put it...that everyone will agree on...or at least most people :-)
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 1:40 PM
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the problem is that even slight opposition can influence councillors to stop or significantly reduce a project (in this case 20% of the units) recommended for approval
And we're not even into the silly season just before a municipal election where councillors come up with some of the craziest motions to save face in front of their electorate.

On a moments notice a motion can be proposed by a councillor which reduces the # of units from 10 to 8 (as if that would make a noticeable difference on the neighbourhood adjacent to it), which often throws the proforma out the window for the developer. It often means all new drawings, calculations and designs that have taken months to do.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 1:42 PM
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I have to agree with the residents that mixing high density townhouses with estate lots (that are on wells or septic systems...I forget which) is a really strange thing to do. I can agree with them that doing this would probably devalue nearby homes.

we need a plan where to put it...that everyone will agree on...or at least most people :-)

Good luck with the plan that most people will agree on...if you can do that, you've got a job for life at Ottawa City Hall or the consulting field.

I wasn't aware that the nearby area was on wells or septic. The two are different...wells are for water and septic systems are for waste (toilets,showers,sinks etc) leaving the property. You can have well water and municipal sewers or city water and septic beds.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 2:35 PM
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Good luck with the plan that most people will agree on...if you can do that, you've got a job for life at Ottawa City Hall or the consulting field.

I wasn't aware that the nearby area was on wells or septic. The two are different...wells are for water and septic systems are for waste (toilets,showers,sinks etc) leaving the property. You can have well water and municipal sewers or city water and septic beds.
I familiar with both as my parents live in the rural part of the city and have both. I know all the water treatment stuff, wells, pumps, pressure tanks the whole 9 yards. It also becomes a frequent thing when you live out there all your life to get calls from newer neighbours who have no water and have no idea how to prime a system when it becomes loses pressure in a power failure or something...so you get to see a variety of systems. Septic systems are really simple...dig it up and get it pumped every other year or so....

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I think Rothwell was one or the other but not both, but I am not 100% sure. When that area was built it was somewhat out of the city It is sort of a interesting area of town. It is quite likely to turn into Rockcliffe the second if cards played right....and that would not be a bad thing IMO.


And yes I guess everyone or most agreeing was a bit of far fetch comment
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 3:33 PM
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What really grills me is that Routeburn is now doing suburban semis instead of Mainstreet condos like 1277 Wellington.
Some would be happy that Routeburn is wanting to spread their love around the entire 'City' of Ottawa. Believe me the location of this development proposal does not limit the comments...they are often the same everywhere...noise/traffic/shadowing/density/snow removal/reduction in property values coupled with higer property taxes etc.

I'm surprised that the local Councillor was actually engaged in this application enough. He can be quite underwhelming.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 4:41 PM
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Some would be happy that Routeburn is wanting to spread their love around the entire 'City' of Ottawa. Believe me the location of this development proposal does not limit the comments...they are often the same everywhere...noise/traffic/shadowing/density/snow removal/reduction in property values coupled with higer property taxes etc.
funny...
on that note, the studies I've seen (from the ULI IIRC) show that singles near lots of multiples have higher appreciation rates than areas where it's only singles or only a few multiples.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 1:22 PM
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Rideau Centre expansion planned after Congress Centre redevelopment
By Peter Kovessy, Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Thu, Jun 12, 2008 12:00 PM EST

The general manager of the Rideau Centre reconfirmed the shopping centre's expansion is still in the works and will likely take place once the Congress Centre redevelopment project winds down.

Cindy VanBuskirk said development could occur at the corner of Rideau and Nicholas Streets and the corner of Daly Avenue and Nicholas Street in the next three to five years.

"We've got two terrific development sites on our property and I think that the expansion of the Congress Centre will really be a catalyst for us to finally go ahead and develop those sites, whether there is potentially a new hotel or a retail expansion. We couldn't do that while the Congress Centre project is underway because the site is so constrained," said Ms. VanBuskirk.

She made the comments in an interview Wednesday night at a gala marking the 25th anniversary of the partnership between the Rideau Centre, the Ottawa Congress Centre and the Westin Ottawa.

Ms. VanBuskirk noted the Rideau Centre has adapted to several changing retail trends, such as the shift to larger, more accessible stores. When the shopping centre opened in 1983, it featured 240 stores, compared to the current roster of 170 retailers, she said.

Another partner in the downtown complex, the Westin Ottawa, has also undergone major changes, said general manager John Jarvis.

For example, the hotel had a fine dining room when it first opened, a feature that gradually faded away across the hotel industry, he said.

The Westin Ottawa is currently undergoing $35 million in renovations that will change the look and feel of the property, said Mr. Jarvis. Work on the entranceways should be completed in the coming weeks while a redesign on the guest rooms will start this fall.

Mr. Jarvis also noted the benefits of having the unique combination of a hotel, convention centre and shopping mall in a single complex.

"Being that we are in a cold weather capital, there are huge advantages to having that. Even on the hot days, when it is humid outside, it is nice to have that connectivity. It makes it very attractive for convention planners to pick a hotel like ours, where everything is right there."
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 2:44 PM
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Speaking of that corner...




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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 7:54 PM
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^ Wicked pictures! Do we have any idea what the new parking garage is going to look like? Same height as the old, I'm assuming.

Xtra.ca has a live webcam of the construction on Bank Street. I wonder how many businesses are going to feel the crunch in the next few months - I've seen a few 'end of lease' signs up in the past weeks.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 7:56 PM
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^ Wicked pictures! Do we have any idea what the new parking garage is going to look like? Same height as the old, I'm assuming.

Xtra.ca has a live webcam of the construction on Bank St. I wonder how many businesses are going to feel the crunch in the next few months - I've seen a few 'end of lease' signs up in the past weeks.
I walked this stretch yesterday afternoon. They were busy sorting out the temporary water hoses and digging just inside the sidewalk to find the lines into the various buildings. They had started a couple of the bigger holes in the middle as well.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 8:44 PM
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^ Wicked pictures! Do we have any idea what the new parking garage is going to look like? Same height as the old, I'm assuming.

Xtra.ca has a live webcam of the construction on Bank Street. I wonder how many businesses are going to feel the crunch in the next few months - I've seen a few 'end of lease' signs up in the past weeks.
I'm sure this will spell the end for a few of the businesses along that stretch. With the construction just to the North last year, the Duke of Somerset this Winter, and now this I'm sure some are hanging on by a thread. I just hope that a few of the building owners take this as an opportunity to fix up their facades a little. Some of those buildings would look really nice with a little scrubbing and some fresh paint.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2008, 4:09 PM
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I read in my local community rag this weekend that the city of Gatineau has had applications for re-zoning downtown, specifically the block at Eddy/du Portage (across from Terrasses de la Chaudière) and the lot bounded by Laval/Hotel-de-ville/Portage (where the Motel Duvernay resides). The current height limit is 8 floors.. the request is to allow 16. Broccolini (the guys behind the Telus building on Bank/Slater) have interests in the Eddy/Portage location.. I suppose we may see something show up here soon.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2008, 7:04 PM
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that would be sweet, hull could easily be revitalized with 2/3 new condos in downtown and another couple to go along wtih stage 4 of portage or whatever is due to go up, the skyline would fill out and the city would probaly accualy become a city instead of pure 9-5 working area.

Not to mention it would be helpful for promoting a light rail line across the river, I cant understand why not with blackbridge already ready to go? cross your fingers
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2008, 11:22 PM
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A cheap yet effective commuter rail system could be created from Gatineau across the river into Ottawa. I don't why they never fully explored this idea...I guess the cultural divides and phobias of both sides of the river just won't budge for the greater good...

What I'd like to see with the Domtar site is the establishment of a national Aquarium or the new Museum of Science and Tech. I'd also like to see a tonne of tall condos and office towers go up around the Government Complexes, and some high-density low to mid-rises replacing many of the shabby and run down houses that scar the Hull Island landscape...
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2008, 12:57 AM
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Victoria Island is supposed to have an Aboriginal history and culture museum.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 12:53 PM
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EDC negotiating new build at Slater and O'Connor
By Peter Kovessy, Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Mon, Jun 23, 2008 12:00 AM EST

Sources say 350,000-square-foot office tower would be developed by Broccolini and Canderel on Brouse property

Negotiations for at least 350,000 square feet of office space for Export Development Canada's (EDC) headquarters could transform a downtown parking lot into a new commercial tower.

Although EDC spokesperson Phil Taylor would not identify the bidder or site, sources told OBJ that EDC has selected a property at the southeast corner of Slater and O'Connor streets, owned by Brouse Holdings and currently occupied by a parking lot, and 9,000 square feet of retail in four low-rise commercial buildings.

Those buildings would have to be demolished to make way for a 350,000-square-foot office tower planned for the site, said David Brouse of Brouse Holdings.

While Mr. Brouse confirmed he was involved in a bid to house EDC's headquarters, he declined to comment on whether he was involved in negotiations.

Likewise, Broccolini Construction Ltd. project co-ordinator Anthony Broccolini confirmed his company had submitted an EDC bid, but said he could not comment on its location or whether his company had any involvement with the Brouse property.

OBJ reported in late April that sources identified the Brouse lands, which would be developed by Broccolini Construction Ltd. and Canderel, as one of four contenders for EDC.

The other options were to be Great West Life's property, currently a parking garage next to the Bank of Montreal building on Laurier Avenue between O'Connor and Bank streets, a Brookfield site on the southeast corner of Kent and Queen streets, and EDC's current home which is split between two buildings at O'Connor and Gloucester streets.

The last time EDC searched for a new headquarters less than five years ago, the status quo prevailed. At the time, the Crown corporation decided to stay put and take "more time to develop those options," said EDC's Mr. Taylor.

The institution, whose current 394,000 square feet are divided between two neighbouring buildings on O'Connor Street, had reportedly signed a five-year lease with landlord Gillin. Some say EDC started their previous relocation process too late, and was subsequently forced to renew the lease on its current property.

But that lease is due to expire in around two years' time, and Mr. Taylor told OBJ in April that EDC's best possible scenario was to sign a new, long-term lease to house its 1,000 or so employees in one building. "That's a prerequisite," said Mr. Taylor at the time. "We're looking to consolidate, because we're actually spread out over two locations."

Some critics also question whether the buildings at Slater and O'Connor can be demolished and replaced before EDC's current leases expire in 2010 and 2011. Although Mr. Taylor said he believed those deadlines could be met if EDC signed a deal for a new build, Mr. Brouse said development of his property is realistically five years down the road.

The requirements contained in EDC's request for proposals mandated that the building be located downtown, meet or exceed LEED Silver environmental standards, and contain at least 350,000 square feet of office space.

The evaluation criteria give the most weight to the building, lands and premises. This plays to the strengths of the Slater and O'Connor site, said DTZ Barnicke's Bruce Wolfgram.

"The ability to build this size of building so close to their current facility is extremely fortunate," he said, noting its close proximity would minimize disruption to EDC's operations during the transition.

A coalition of downtown business owners have also named the site as an option for an underground transit station, should the rail line run underneath Slater Street.

While EDC is looking to consolidate its operations into a single building, it was not willing to sacrifice a downtown location. The Crown corporation, which offers financing, insurance and risk management for Canadian exporters and investors, needs to be close to the gears of federal government, Mr. Taylor said in an earlier interview. He added EDC employees also demanded a downtown location.

Mr. Taylor said he expects negotiations to wrap up within the next two months, with a final agreement to be closed by the fall.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 1:34 PM
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Wow! I was walking by that area last week and I was thinking, "this block should be developed". Looks like someone was reading my mind!
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Gatineau should pretty good in a couple decades.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2008, 5:18 PM
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Wow! I was walking by that area last week and I was thinking, "this block should be developed". Looks like someone was reading my mind!
And I've always liked those little retail buildings and think that Broccolini already has a proposal that is on hold next to the new Telus building that is just a parking lot and won't necessitate tearing down some nice buildings.
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