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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 12:11 AM
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In much lighter news

Clothing Forever21 is leasing a rather large space in Bel Air Mall. The space, located between Limited Too and the new Footlocker, is comprised of a section of the former Woolworth's store. This more than 12,000 square foot store will also make use of Woolworth's south exterior entrance.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 2:26 AM
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I'm bursting with OPINION and some facts

First, I am glad that our waterfront won't be blocked by some condos. It's like those nasty highrises at the beach...the view is ONLY for those in the buildings.
Second, I understand that we will be getting a new hotel on the site of the old bank building being demolished downtown. Likely, a middle-of-the-road Hyatt. Same developer as the new Hampton. groundbreaking near years end.
Third, I'm disappointed that the GAO said the Air Force did a lousy job of handling the tanker bid but we haven't lost it and will probably get all or some of the tankers. If we even get part of them it will be enough to get Airbus and NG working on the project and out looking for more work. Boeing did what we would have done and it appears they had merit to their argument. After reviewing the comparison between the 767 and A330 it didn't seem possible that they could actually be COMPARED to each other..they don't.
Fourth, I can see why our friend from Seattle would call this an economically depressed area. The media lumps everything on the La, Ms. and Al. coast in the same miserable boat as New Orleans. I have been to Seattle and it is nice but, like us to them, they have no idea who we are or how we think. Mobile is in the early stages of a boom.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 6:32 AM
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I can see why our friend from Seattle would call this an economically depressed area.
People are ignorant. As long as we and the city are prospering, all while keeping my home near Orange Beach a nice secret...well, I will be extremely happy.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 3:59 PM
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Boeing is merely operating off of the previous judgement from some time ago that ruled for the 767 over the 330.
If they were basing it off the previous contract awarding then they were mistaken. Did Boeing even have competition when they overbid and bribed people for the job?


Off the subject of Boeing...
The Air Force could actually push this forward without the GAO's approval. However, it would still take Congress funding it.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 6:17 PM
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Did Boeing even have competition when they overbid and bribed people for the job?
No, they did not. Sorta like Airbus did not have competition (according to the GAO) when they bid on a USAF tanker project that was specifically designed around their A330.

I agree about the Air Force just going ahead and buying a tanker right away and not listening to the GAO. And it would be even sweeter if that tanker was a B777. That bird would look HOT in Air Force gray.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 6:18 PM
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If they were basing it off the previous contract awarding then they were mistaken. Did Boeing even have competition when they overbid and bribed people for the job?
The competition was NG-EADS/Airbus for roughly the same plane with about the same criticisms popping up, just reversed.

For this competition, they turned Airbus' weaknesses into strengths and Boeing's strengths into weaknesses. It's funny that John McCain's lobbyists worked on this personally, the same McCain who is blatantly against both Boeing and the general constituency of Senator Patty Murray. Vendettas! I love it.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2008, 7:48 PM
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I was downtown yesterday and the St. Francis street condo rendering is still up with no development going on, what is the hold up on this project ?
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First, I am glad that our waterfront won't be blocked by some condos. It's like those nasty highrises at the beach...the view is ONLY for those in the buildings.
Second, I understand that we will be getting a new hotel on the site of the old bank building being demolished downtown. Likely, a middle-of-the-road Hyatt. Same developer as the new Hampton. groundbreaking near years end.
Third, I'm disappointed that the GAO said the Air Force did a lousy job of handling the tanker bid but we haven't lost it and will probably get all or some of the tankers. If we even get part of them it will be enough to get Airbus and NG working on the project and out looking for more work. Boeing did what we would have done and it appears they had merit to their argument. After reviewing the comparison between the 767 and A330 it didn't seem possible that they could actually be COMPARED to each other..they don't.
Fourth, I can see why our friend from Seattle would call this an economically depressed area. The media lumps everything on the La, Ms. and Al. coast in the same miserable boat as New Orleans. I have been to Seattle and it is nice but, like us to them, they have no idea who we are or how we think. Mobile is in the early stages of a boom.

Yeah Seattle is nice and I was impressed with there extremely low murder rate for a city of that size I believe they had 26 in 2007 and they have one of the most imppresive sky lines to me outside of NYC and Chicago. While in Mobile we were a little bit over 40 I bleieve, Seattle is nice but Mobile is better.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2008, 12:10 AM
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No, they did not. Sorta like Airbus did not have competition (according to the GAO) when they bid on a USAF tanker project that was specifically designed around their A330.

I agree about the Air Force just going ahead and buying a tanker right away and not listening to the GAO. And it would be even sweeter if that tanker was a B777. That bird would look HOT in Air Force gray.
The GAO never said anything that you are writing here. Besides, an Airbus A330 DOES look hot in that "Air Force gray." However, the 777 US military tanker hasn't even been built. Weirdly, the AF picked a plane that has been built AND is modern over a plane that has been built BUT is based on an old design.

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The competition was NG-EADS/Airbus for roughly the same plane with about the same criticisms popping up, just reversed.

For this competition, they turned Airbus' weaknesses into strengths and Boeing's strengths into weaknesses. It's funny that John McCain's lobbyists worked on this personally, the same McCain who is blatantly against both Boeing and the general constituency of Senator Patty Murray. Vendettas! I love it.
Patty Murray does suck.

Same criticisms? I haven't been reading the reports of widespread corruption in this deal.

On the issue of McCain... why would you think he is for the tanker? Because his constituency is for it. Ahem... (the South). Vendettas my behind...
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2008, 12:16 AM
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You know...it's funny! if we (the Seattle and Mobile people on this forum) would just take the time to stop arguing...we'd realize HOW MUCH our cities have in common...I mean REALLY it's almost too funny.
1. Both Major Ports
2. Both have Expanding cruise industries
3. Both have a history and planned expansion in the aviation industry
...maybe we should be HELPING each other out, instead of trying to steal the glory! Just my opinion....
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2008, 12:22 AM
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Patty Murray does suck.

Same criticisms? I haven't been reading the reports of widespread corruption in this deal.

On the issue of McCain... why would you think he is for the tanker? Because his constituency is for it. Ahem... (the South). Vendettas my behind...
There doesn't have to be corruption. The same things that disqualified Airbus last time are its strengths now for some reason. It has been entirely too clear that capital costs associated with making air force installations compatible with it would suck up enough money to make the monetary differences between the two planes irrelevant. And let's not forget which plane is more combat-ready.

McCain went ahead and redirected a lot of the money freed up after the revocation of the last contract into his own pet projects.

And yes, he has and continues to compete against Senator Murray whenever he gets a chance to. Last time he had no in to the selection process, but this time he did.

For what it's worth, why would McCain favor the south? He raised hundreds of thousands of more dollars here than in most of his appearances outside of the big cities of the south.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2008, 4:01 AM
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First, I am glad that our waterfront won't be blocked by some condos. It's like those nasty highrises at the beach...the view is ONLY for those in the buildings.
Second, I understand that we will be getting a new hotel on the site of the old bank building being demolished downtown. Likely, a middle-of-the-road Hyatt. Same developer as the new Hampton. groundbreaking near years end.
Third, I'm disappointed that the GAO said the Air Force did a lousy job of handling the tanker bid but we haven't lost it and will probably get all or some of the tankers. If we even get part of them it will be enough to get Airbus and NG working on the project and out looking for more work. Boeing did what we would have done and it appears they had merit to their argument. After reviewing the comparison between the 767 and A330 it didn't seem possible that they could actually be COMPARED to each other..they don't.
Fourth, I can see why our friend from Seattle would call this an economically depressed area. The media lumps everything on the La, Ms. and Al. coast in the same miserable boat as New Orleans. I have been to Seattle and it is nice but, like us to them, they have no idea who we are or how we think. Mobile is in the early stages of a boom.
On the hotel - I have seen the plans. It is actually going to face Royal Street (directly across from the Commerce Building). The bank site will be a parking lot, which is a total waste. I would rather see a garage than a 60 car lot. The hotel and Banktrust will share the lot. As far as I know, it is an Extended Stay hotel - I am not sure if that is the actual brand, or just the type of hotel it will be.

The old CSX site - we really need to improve access to the river by building the long ago proposed bridge across Water St. (from the foot of Church St.). I would like to see some sort of retail development on the CSX site. Maybe like a smaller, more upscale Riverwalk in New Orleans. This would mostly be to draw more people to the water to enjoy our much underused riverside park. There could potentially be a tie-in to the cruise terminal and Maritime Museum, which will help if we get a new ship. Speaking of that, a cop friend of mine has been spending some time escorting cruise executives around the Mobile area - something is up!

Also, it looks like the neutral ground work on the bring back Broad project is in full swing. I would love to see some renderings of the finished product if anyone has them!
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2008, 5:49 AM
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On the hotel - I have seen the plans. It is actually going to face Royal Street (directly across from the Commerce Building). The bank site will be a parking lot, which is a total waste. I would rather see a garage than a 60 car lot. The hotel and Banktrust will share the lot. As far as I know, it is an Extended Stay hotel - I am not sure if that is the actual brand, or just the type of hotel it will be.
About how many stories is this hotel?

I agree with you on retail for the old CSX site.
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Im Back! Had to get a new laptop. Always remember, Don't leave ure spit cup next to the keyboard, cause the juice will fry it!!! This board has really


1)I hope the city buys the csx land, and put its beloved Mardis Gras Park there!

Comm.Nodine is trying again for condo highrise/retail/ parking garage for the old courthouse land. it was noted in the press register last week.

2) The Admiral Semmes hotel expansion should geaux public soon.(13-18stories).

3) Wish the city could atleast turn the lights on dome of the civic center. Pretty much an eyesore compared to the rest of downtown.

Asked my neighbor a few weeks back, which is a long time employee for da state docks, Told me the land that touches the convention center to the north will stay the way it is, a container dock


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Speaking of that, a cop friend of mine has been spending some time escorting cruise executives around the Mobile area - something is up!
Good to hear... know any names of the companies?
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For what it's worth, why would McCain favor the south? He raised hundreds of thousands of more dollars here than in most of his appearances outside of the big cities of the south.
It is obvious from reading your post in the Seattle section that you are an close minded and ignorant, and quite frankly nobody cares about your blind thoughts regarding political propaganda.
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It is obvious from reading your post in the Seattle section that you are an close minded and ignorant, and quite frankly nobody cares about your blind thoughts regarding political propaganda.
hahaaa! I saw that too and I completely agree with you
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I was downtown yesterday and the St. Francis street condo rendering is still up with no development going on, what is the hold up on this project ?

There was an article in Sunday's newspaper that discussed the 250 St. Francis Street condos. To date, 14 of the units have presold, but the developer is still a "couple" of units shy of the number needed to meet the lending requirements.

http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/1214126241173610.xml&coll=3
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An outlook from Europe

Article from Der Speigel about the tanker situation:

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EADS Puts a Brave Face on Tanker Setback

By Dinah Deckstein and Cordula Meyer
The planned splash into the US defense market by European planemaker EADS has been thrown into doubt following a scathing report by the US Congressional watchdog -- but the company is putting on a brave face.




An image of the Airbus refueling tanker. The plans to supply the US Air Force with the aircraft have been put in jeopardy.


Once a week, usually on Fridays, EADS employees in Munich receive a high-level visit. That’s when CEO Louis Gallois, 64, takes a regularly scheduled flight to the German headquarters of Europe’s largest aerospace and defense company so he can keep tabs on everything in his office on the southern outskirts of the city. The Frenchman makes these short trips to demonstrate that the employees in Germany are just as important as their colleagues at other Airbus and EADS locations in Paris and Toulouse.
Late last week Gallois made another lightning visit to Bavaria, despite the fact that many EADS employees were expecting the top manager to cancel his trip at the last minute.
Just a few hours beforehand, news had broken in the US that a congressional watchdog, the Government Accountability Office (GAO), had ruled that “significant errors” had been made in awarding a lucrative defense contract for 179 aerial refueling tankers to a consortium consisting of US defense giant Northrop Grumman and EADS subsidiary Airbus. In their 69-page non-binding decision, the auditing arm of the US government even recommended that the US Air Force reopen major areas of the bidding process.

In such a situation, other business leaders would have retreated to the company headquarters with their closest advisors and planned a counteroffensive. But Gallois, whose diplomatic flair is even praised by archrival Boeing, made a decidedly relaxed impression.
In his office on the 5th floor of the main administrative building in Ottobrunn, Germany, the ascetic-looking Frenchman sat with a friendly smile on his face last Friday and patiently answered questions -- as if he had nothing more important to do. He said he regretted that he could not provide a clear assessment for the time being because he and his colleagues had not been provided with the GAO’s final report.
“We are still under contract and are convinced that our aircraft are the best,” Gallois reminded those present. He said that US government auditors had not evaluated the quality of the proposed aircraft, but had only examined whether bidding rules had been respected.
Presumably, the multilingual Frenchman has only revealed the true extent of his disappointment in the boardroom. Top executives there are already debating whether the company should participate if it comes to a new round of bidding -- at the risk of coming up empty-handed in the end.
What at first glance appears to be merely the latest episode in a long series of mishaps, misfortunes and missed opportunities at Europe’s showpiece corporation could actually shake the company more deeply than the wiring problems plaguing its A380 superjumbo. EADS and Airbus managers intended to do more than just break into the US defense market. The Europeans were planning to use a new plant in Mobile, Alabama to solve one of their most serious problems, namely their dependency on the ailing dollar, which is the key global currency for the sale of aircraft.
In addition to the fuel tankers, there are plans to use the US facility -- which has not yet been built -- to assemble cargo aircraft and, perhaps at a later date, other long-range jets. The US location would make it possible to pursue these projects without the usual annoying protests from the governments of the countries that partly own EADS and Airbus: Germany, France and Spain. So the mood in the company was positively euphoric when the US Air Force made the surprise announcement in late February that it had decided to award the Europeans and their US partner Northrop Grumman with the coveted contract to replace its aging fleet of tanker aircraft.

RELATED SPIEGEL ONLINE LINKS"If you can make it there, you can make it everywhere!" Airbus CEO Tom Enders said in late April, borrowing a line from Frank Sinatra as he geared up for the big breakthrough in the US defense market. He and his colleagues were already dreaming of a range of follow-up contracts around the world.
Amid the general spirit of rejoicing, EADS and Airbus managers seemingly forgot embarrassing setbacks such as the wiring fiasco on the A380 and the late delivery of the A400M military transport aircraft. Even the investigation into 17 high-ranking managers -- on suspicions of insider trading before the production delays of the A380 were announced -- faded into the background for the time being.
But virtually overnight Gallois and his crew have been hauled back to earth by a reality that is far more sobering than many of them would like to admit. Anyone who takes the time to carefully read the list of objections by the US congressional watchdog will realize that it is hardly imaginable that the next US administration under Barack Obama or John McCain will again select the Europeans and their US partners Northrop Grumman as the sole suppliers of their flying fueling stations.
The US Air Force now has 60 days to respond to the GAO's complaints. The German government assumes that the US Department of Defense will attempt to sweep aside all reservations. Reopening the competition for the tanker aircraft contract would delay delivery by months, if not years.
Officially, the German government is keeping a low profile. The issue is a delicate one, particularly so since Boeing announced a few days ago that it would compete in Brussels for contracts connected with the European satellite navigation system Galileo -- even though, after years of intensive political wrangling, it looks as if the contracts have essentially already been awarded.



EADS boss Louis Gallois has been trying to make a relaxed impression since the news of the GAO broke.


When it comes to the bidding for the US tanker aircraft, Boeing feels that it has been treated unfairly right from the beginning -- and it says that the findings of the government auditors have confirmed this. For instance, according to the original specifications, the maximum possible discharge capacity of the tanking hose supposedly had no influence on the evaluation of the bid. However, it was precisely this criterion that helped clinch the contract for EADS.
In addition, according to analyses by the GAO, procurement officials at the Pentagon let Boeing believe for a long time that it had fulfilled certain requirements, although in fact they had growing doubts. An even more serious allegation is that Air Force experts used a faulty calculating system. This showed that the EADS fleet would be cheaper to operate over the long term than the competing model from Boeing. It now appears, however, that Boeing would probably produce the aircraft with the more cost-effective life cycle.
Now it’s up to the Air Force to explain whether the Europeans were given preferential treatment, and if so, why this occurred. “We haven’t yet heard the Air Force’s response to the GAO decision,” says Gallois.
One thing is certain: The tanker deal is destined to go down in US history as the major defense project with the most ignominious track record. Back in 2003, the coveted contract, which at first went to Boeing, had to be reopened for competition after it emerged that the Seattle-based aircraft manufacturer had enticed a worker at the Pentagon with the prospect of an attractive job in the company. If it turns out that in the second round of bidding a number of tricks were used to give the winner a helping hand, it would deal a serious blow not only to the US government, but also to EADS and especially Northrop Grumman, which is highly dependent upon contracts with the Pentagon.





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Arch rivals EADS and Boeing at a glance


At this point in time, it is totally unclear what will happen with the planned new assembly facility in Alabama. The city government in Mobile had planned a large cornerstone ceremony on the premises destined to be the new plant for next week. This has now been postponed for the time being.
Even local politicians have expressed doubts over whether the new plant will ever be built and generate, as announced, some 2,000 new jobs: “I cannot believe that in the most highly scrutinized procurement in the history of the United States Air Force the GAO found so many errors,” said Alabama Senator Richard Shelby.
In addition to EADS and Airbus employees, the pilots of the US Air Force must be bitterly disappointed. They will probably have to continue flying far into the next decade with aircraft that date back to the middle of the Cold War.
“Without a new tanker,” warned General Arthur Lichte, the commander of the Air Mobility Command, “this capability -- and our nation's ability to project power and humanitarian assistance in the future -- is in significant jeopardy."


By contrast, Airbus workers at the company's plant in Dresden, eastern Germany, took the bad news from the US last week in stride. Their plant specializes in converting passenger aircraft into freight planes. Recently, the first prototype of the Airbus tanker with the production number D-1 was nearly completed here. Over the coming months, there are plans to build another three aircraft as demo jets for production later on in Alabama.
Up until now, the workers in Dresden have remained convinced that everything will go ahead as scheduled. If, however, there is a change in plans, the D-1 certainly won’t end up in a museum. Sooner or later, it will be converted for use as a normal freight aircraft.
The demand for such jets is currently enormous because manufacturers can’t deliver the aircraft as fast as the orders roll in. Perhaps instead of flying from trouble spot to trouble spot to refuel fighters for the US Air Force, the EADS model will one day fly between major trading centers around the globe -- with a load of toys, fruit or exotic animals on board.
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There was an article in Sunday's newspaper that discussed the 250 St. Francis Street condos. To date, 14 of the units have presold, but the developer is still a "couple" of units shy of the number needed to meet the lending requirements.

http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/1214126241173610.xml&coll=3

Ok so by the end of the year they should meet that goal and hopefuly ground work will break in early 09.

I`m all for condo and retail for the old courthouse site, and the Mardi Gra park should be on the river in stead.

When I was driving through the Wallace tunnel yeasterday I realize that it offered one of the best views of the skyline while approaching the tunnel .I wish someone would capture it but could be to dangerous.
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