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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 10:50 PM
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I get one 'newbie' comment per thread and this is it:

I'd like our next tall building to go to 76 floors because...just because. Philadelphia has been stuck in the 60s in more ways than one.
76 floors....and 999ft tall!!!

Sorry...back to your regularly scheduled thread...
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Nice cliche, but building a commercial building isn't exactly like building a baseball field in the middle of a cornfield .
     
     
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Nice cliche, but building a commercial building isn't exactly like building a baseball field in the middle of a cornfield .
Who cares-Build it anyway. in the middle of a corn field, in the middle of the street, in the middle of center city-say 18th and Arch lol....
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Just how far can you see?

Using the formula 1.17 X (SQRT of height in ft) = miles to the horizon, one will be able to see 45 miles from atop the ACC spire and 41 miles from the roof. This formula is based on flat land and clear conditions, so in reality you will be able to see somewhat less.

Take the top of the spires of ACC and FT and you get about 95 miles combined. The straight distance between the buildings will be 84 miles, so theoretically, if you know where to look at the air is dry and no clouds in between, you will be able to see between both buildings.

At 975 feet for Comcast and 500 feet for the Trump Taj Mahal in AC, you get 63 miles. The distance between them is 52 miles. So with a good telescope...

I also hear that standing on the highest roller coaster at Gread Adventure in Jackson, NJ, you can see Philadelphia, AC and NYC!
     
     
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I also hear that standing on the highest roller coaster at Gread Adventure in Jackson, NJ, you can see Philadelphia, AC and NYC!
It wouldn't surprise me, it is over 450 feet tall.
     
     
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I also hear that standing on the highest roller coaster at Gread Adventure in Jackson, NJ, you can see Philadelphia, AC and NYC!
I have yet to been able to see any but AC from the top.
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AC would be the hardest to see since it has the lowest building and is farther away than Phila and NYC. Have you actually seen the 2 skylines from the coaster? Was the coaster moving or were you standing on top?
     
     
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Ok, clearly this thread has been pretty quiet. Has anybody heard any rumors about negotiations with a potential client, the results of the feasibility study to extend the SEPTA platform, or anything else?
     
     
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Photo: KOHN PEDERSON FOX ARCHITECTS from Philadelphia Inquirer
This is a model for a proposed 1,500-foot tower at 18th and Arch Streets. It would edge out Chicago's Sears Tower, at 1,451 feet, to become the nation's tallest building.

Posted on Fri, Jun. 20, 2008

Tallest building in U.S. proposed for Phila.
By Jeff Shields

Inquirer Staff Writer

City officials and residents of Center City's Logan Square neighborhood will have the summer to wrangle over a proposed 1,500-foot skyscraper - it would be the nation's tallest - that would be built at 18th and Arch Streets.
Councilman Darrell L. Clarke introduced a bill yesterday to change zoning at the site to allow for the American Commerce Center, a soaring complex of office space, hotel rooms, retail and entertainment. The building would edge out Chicago's Sears Tower, which reaches 1,451 feet, as the tallest building in the United States.

Clarke's bill would require strict design oversight from the City Planning Commission and could prove a test for the increased role that Mayor Nutter wants the commission to play.

The commission is expected to hold public hearings over the next two months. The development partnership, which includes Walnut Street Capital, has not yet identified any tenants for the proposed building.

Even before Clarke introduced his legislation, opposition was simmering among neighborhood groups, especially the Logan Square Neighborhood Association, which has already retained veteran Philadelphia zoning lawyer Joseph Beller.

State Sen. Vincent J. Fumo, the Philadelphia Democrat in whose district the tower would be built, called yesterday for an "end to spot zoning."

"This is totally out of scale with the rest of Center City," he said.

The city's tallest building, the 975-foot Comcast Center, is a block away, at 17th and Arch Streets.

Fumo spokesman Gary Tuma said Fumo believed city officials needed to draft a "comprehensive plan for what we want the skyline to look like."

Tuma said the building would be within 25 feet of the Sterling House and several other long-standing residential buildings. "These people deserve a chance to speak about this," he said.

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Contact staff writer Jeff Shields at 215-854-4565 or [email protected].
Inquirer staff writer Joseph A. Slobodzian contributed to this article.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20594614.html

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Old Posted Jun 20, 2008, 12:05 PM
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any city planning commission worth its salt knows:

- office buildings, not parking lots belong in the central business district
- the shadow argument is complete bullshit and irrelevent in any downtown construction scheme
- taller buildings = more office space = more money for the city, which benefits everyone

city councilmen get elected by the people but the planning commission isn't. their constituents are the entire city, not some cranky old people. as long as they understand these facts and look at these projects from strictly a city planning point of view, we should be ok. if they start mediating for lower heights to satisfy neighbors then oh boy, i'll be worried. but i don't see that happening.
     
     
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http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_upd...p_toward_1_500-foot_skyscraper_here.html

Zoning bill marks 1st step toward 1,500-foot skyscraper here
By CHRIS BRENNAN
Philadelphia Daily News

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A local developer took the first step yesterday toward building the tallest skyscraper in America when City Councilman Darrell Clarke introduced legislation for zoning changes needed at the 18th and Arch streets location.
Clarke's action came on the same week that Mayor Nutter laid out his goal to restore to the City Planning Commission the power to shape such developments. The councilman and the mayor agree the commission should run the show on the proposed skyscraper, which Walnut Street Capital has named the "American Commerce Center."

At 1,500 feet, the skyscraper would be more than 50 percent taller than the Comcast Center, which recently opened one block away. The Comcast Center takes up a full city block while the American Commerce Center would be built on a 1.5-acre half-block.

Clarke said the site's narrow footprint was one reason the developer chose to build so high.

That has prompted complaints from nearby businesses and the residents of high-rise buildings on John F. Kennedy Boulevard about traffic congestion, reduced parking since the site is now a parking lot, and the shadow a 1,500-foot skyscraper might throw over the neighborhood.

"I understand that there is significant concern and, at this point, a reasonable level of opposition," Clarke said. "It's our hope that by the time of the public hearings that most of those issues will be addressed."

Clarke brought the developer to meet Nutter early this year and city planners have been working on the project since then. The mayor says the building's "size, scale and complexity" could be a test case for his goal of changing development in the city.

"This could be a wonderful opportunity to utilize this new process . . . for what could be one of the most incredible buildings built not just in Philadelphia but anywhere in the country," Nutter said after Council's meeting.

Joseph Beller, an attorney representing the residents of the nearby Kennedy House, said they don't want "canyons" of skyscrapers like New York City.

"We're not trying to be obstructionists," Beller said. "We're trying to see if something built there will be compatible and not harm what's already there."

Rob Stuart, president of the Logan Square Neighborhood Association, said the developer has addressed those concerns at several meetings in recent months.

"When you look at the amount of square feet, it needs this legislation because it would be the densest development in the history of Philadelphia," Stuart said.

Clarke's legislation was introduced on the last day of Council before the start of the three-month summer break. While the developer can work with the city and neighbors over the summer, no action can be taken on the legislation until mid-September.

In other business:

* Council voted 15-2 to approve a plan to privatize the way the city deals with sludge from treated wastewater. The vote, which helped Nutter achieve a legislative goal, came as about 50 union members from the Philadelphia Water Department stood in opposition to the plan. Council members Jannie Blackwell and Bill Green opposed the measure.

* Council also gave final approval to placing on the November general-election ballot a question about changing the city's charter to fold the Fairmount Park Commission into the city Recreation Department. Green voted against that legislation, saying that he supported the idea but felt it should include a provision that would require a "supermajority" vote by Council to approve any future sale of park land. That would require 12 of Council's 17 votes instead of a simple majority of nine. *
     
     
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Wow. This would be absolutely amazing for Philly; a skyline that just keeps on getting better and better.
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Joseph Beller, an attorney representing the residents of the nearby Kennedy House, said they don't want "canyons" of skyscrapers like New York City.

"We're not trying to be obstructionists," Beller said. "We're trying to see if something built there will be compatible and not harm what's already there."

Rob Stuart, president of the Logan Square Neighborhood Association, said the developer has addressed those concerns at several meetings in recent months.

"When you look at the amount of square feet, it needs this legislation because it would be the densest development in the history of Philadelphia," Stuart said.

Yes, they are trying to be obstructionists. We live in the 6th largest city in America. This is the frick'n 21st century. People build SKYSCRAPERS NOW A DAYS IN MODERN CITIES.

Compatible?! NOT HARM WHATS ALREADY THERE?! What the heck does that mean? I hate to break it to ya Mr. Beller, but any type of development means something has to go when something is built. And if the newly christened planning Commission thinks we need to save the CRAP that's on JFK then the Nutter admin has failed. Plain and simple.


And to the fool Stuart, the reason it needs the legislation is because an idiotic height restriction was put in place. If the area was zoned like other city centers this wouldn't even be an issue...

I also like Fumo's quote, "This is totally out of scale with the rest of Center City,"

You MORON. What a backward way of thinking. And his want for city officials to draft a "comprehensive plan for what we want the skyline to look like", sounds like...OMG PLANNING...but in reality that's another moronic idea as well. City planners are not architects they can't draft what they want the skyline to look like. How the heck would they even do that...and what other city does that?


UGH...these articles PISS ME OFF.
     
     
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The ironic (or moronic) thing is that these NIMBY crybabies live in the UGLIEST buildings in town and NOTHING could do harm to those monstrosities. If anything the ACC Tower will help to hide them amongst the "canyons".

And we wouldn't want to harm that lovely surface parking lot now would we?
     
     
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Tallest in the U.S.?

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Photo: KOHN PEDERSON FOX ARCHITECTS from Philadelphia Inquirer
This is a model for a proposed 1,500-foot tower at 18th and Arch Streets. It would edge out Chicago's Sears Tower, at 1,451 feet, to become the nation's tallest building.

Posted on Fri, Jun. 20, 2008

Tallest building in U.S. proposed for Phila.
By Jeff Shields

Inquirer Staff Writer

City officials and residents of Center City's Logan Square neighborhood will have the summer to wrangle over a proposed 1,500-foot skyscraper - it would be the nation's tallest - that would be built at 18th and Arch Streets.
Councilman Darrell L. Clarke introduced a bill yesterday to change zoning at the site to allow for the American Commerce Center, a soaring complex of office space, hotel rooms, retail and entertainment. The building would edge out Chicago's Sears Tower, which reaches 1,451 feet, as the tallest building in the United States.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20594614.html

It is curious how the writer of this story apparently is not aware of the Chicago Spire, which should already be taller than the Sears Tower perhaps by the time the ACC would begin to rise from its foundation... weird.

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It is curious how the writer of this story apparently is not aware of the Chicago Spire, which should already be taller than the Sears Tower perhaps by the time the ACC would begin to rise from its foundation... weird.

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I'm sure the writer is aware, it just makes for more of an attention-grabber for the less informed audiences. If magically the building was completed today, the claim would be true... for a very short time. It's obviously just for the attention and to stir people up.
     
     
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I'm sure the writer is aware, it just makes for more of an attention-grabber for the less informed audiences. If magically the building was completed today, the claim would be true... for a very short time. It's obviously just for the attention and to stir people up.
This is definitely true...unfortunately it's very misleading, and it's only going to flame the opposition's fire. This is an example of why the general public cannot trust the media, and something I'd definitely be combating if I decide to change my career to scientific journalism...you don't want that title to be an oxymoron...
     
     
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It looks like the freedom tower a bit, but very nice.
     
     
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Mr Fumo's quote: This is totally out of scale with the rest of Center City. I think he has bigger problems to worry about, pending/potential corruption charges, tax evasion, etc, lol. People would be proud to have a skyscraper like the ACC in Philly. Hopefully other projects like this would continue to add to improve the Philly skyline like this for years to come. Nutter is doing more to bring businesses to Philly than John Street ever did in 8 years combined. I wonder if John Street will be in his law chair waiting in line on July 11th for the next IPhone???

From what the developer has shared, there are a number of retail projects associated with the ACC that would give Center City Residents more conveniences.
     
     
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