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Old Posted Jun 10, 2008, 6:14 PM
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I'm also really happy about Brandywine switching the office tower from Walnut to Chestnut Street. Not only does it balance out the skyline better, it simply makes a lot more sense to have the offices closer to 30th Street Station. In fact I believe this was an observation made a while ago by a not-to-be-named architecture critic.
     
     
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i dig the design change for the taller tower, but the smaller tower is considerably underwhelming for me. doesn't look like it fits in very well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2008, 4:11 AM
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I think that the design change is fantastic. I thought that the old design was similiar enough to Cira 1 that the differences actually made them clash, whereas this new design will work perfectly with the existing structure.
There were two separate proposals for that area, the initial proposal was called Cira South with a commercial tower and a smaller residential tower. Several months after the Cira South announcement, BRT announced the Cira Centre II which was supposed to be adjacent to Cira I. It does seemed weird that they replaced the design of Cira South commercial tower with the Cira Centre II design. In any case, I hope it gets built.

Cira 2 links (not to confused with Cira South):

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/center-city/53378-breaking-news-1500-foot-tower-1800-arch-20.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Cira_2_If_you_have_to_ask.html

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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 2:53 AM
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Cira II albeit which is great that it will be located right next to 30th Street Station. However, the taller building will be too similar to the original Cira Center building.. I loved the taller building, much taller and sleeker. Really added something to the skyline when the original concept was unveiled.
     
     
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The developers have said that the renderings are just prelims and they're going to change up until construction. I think they obviously want to keep the building architecturally in the same vein as Cira I but I think it will be a little more varied than that...
     
     
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I know the taller tower is going through some changes, but is the original height figure still the same or did they scale it down?
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2008, 4:00 PM
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There were two separate proposals for that area, the initial proposal was called Cira South with a commercial tower and a smaller residential tower. Several months after the Cira South announcement, BRT announced the Cira Centre II which was supposed to be adjacent to Cira I. It does seemed weird that they replaced the design of Cira South commercial tower with the Cira Centre II design. In any case, I hope it gets built.

Cira 2 links (not to confused with Cira South):

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/center-city/53378-breaking-news-1500-foot-tower-1800-arch-20.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Cira_2_If_you_have_to_ask.html

Thanks. I'm still a little confused - so Cira 1, Cira II, and Cira South are three different projects totalling four similarly shaped (but different height) buildings? That may be a little much. Two shorties and one taller one would be plenty.
     
     
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Thanks. I'm still a little confused - so Cira 1, Cira II, and Cira South are three different projects totalling four similarly shaped (but different height) buildings? That may be a little much. Two shorties and one taller one would be plenty.
Cira 1 is the original building already in place. Cira South is the complex of the post office, parking garage, and the new mixed-use proposed hotel, office (Blackrock) and I believe a few condos. This thread is about that proposal. Cira 2 is this mysterious third diamond shard of glass (the tallest I believe) that's proposed right behind 30th Street Station. It appeared a few months ago and caused a stir at that time but no one really found out exactly what that was. It was never officially proposed, hence no separate thread and most of us believed it was merely conceptual. In my opinion, I think it's the best-looking one of the bunch, although if built, that entire area west of the Schuylkill would look WAY too redundant.
     
     
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Cira 1 is the original building already in place. Cira South is the complex of the post office, parking garage, and the new mixed-use proposed hotel, office (Blackrock) and I believe a few condos. This thread is about that proposal. Cira 2 is this mysterious third diamond shard of glass (the tallest I believe) that's proposed right behind 30th Street Station. It appeared a few months ago and caused a stir at that time but no one really found out exactly what that was. It was never officially proposed, hence no separate thread and most of us believed it was merely conceptual. In my opinion, I think it's the best-looking one of the bunch, although if built, that entire area west of the Schuylkill would look WAY too redundant.
Sorry if I'm being dumb here, but there are three "Ciras" in this picture of Cira South, one of which is obviously Cira 1.



Wouldn't Cira 2 make for a fourth Cira-type building?

EDIT: Never mind, I was being dumb. Cira 2 is in that picture, it just isn't as tall as the latest pictures depict it.

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You were right in the first part of your last post...Cira II would be the fourth building to have that diamond-cut look that Cira 1 started. Cira II is the building in the model behind 30th street station which you can see when you scroll down in this link: http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/center-city/53378-breaking-news-1500-foot-tower-1800-arch-20.html Cira Center South is the name for the ENTIRE COMPLEX of south of the Post Office which includes the tall building on the left, the parking garage, and the smaller cira clone to the right...see what I'm saying?
     
     
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You were right in the first part of your last post...Cira II would be the fourth building to have that diamond-cut look that Cira 1 started. Cira II is the building in the model behind 30th street station which you can see when you scroll down in this link: http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/center-city/53378-breaking-news-1500-foot-tower-1800-arch-20.html Cira Center South is the name for the ENTIRE COMPLEX of south of the Post Officeincludes the tall building on the left, the parking garage, and the smaller cira clone to the right...see what I'm saying?
Got it. The part I bolded is exactly what was causing my confusion - I was under the impression that Cira South was the name of only ONE of the buildings, not the entire complex!

Thanks a lot for clearing that up for me!
     
     
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Cira II is not in the picture, the tower on the right is Cira I and the middle and left towers are both part of the Cira South project that is currently under way.
     
     
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I think the confusion came in because Cira II was what people were loosely calling this Cira South project because it's architectural inspiration is clearly coming from Cira I. However, I think there was talk about a second Cira Center tower prior to Cira South's proposal and the name Cira II continued over... I am right Skyscraper forum vets?

About Blackrock's request to extend the KOZ certification seven more years...is this merely a formality for lawmakers to pass, or do you think it will be met with some resistance? To me, 7 extra years doesn't sound like they're asking for much here...especially when considering they won't come here if that request is not met. To me it just sounds like a negotiating technique and maybe they'll settle on say a three or five year extension. I just have trouble believing that a company's relocation viability would be compromised when they have over $1 trillion in assets...I know Philly's taxes are outrageous and in serious need of reform, but come on. 7 more years of taxes couldn't possibly make a dent into a stalwart company like Blackrock, could it?
     
     
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Yes, it absolutely could make a difference. The trillion dollar's you are reffering to is client money, not theirs. Saving 6.5% of your earnings every year is a massive amount, and only underscores how important it is to hack away at this disastrous tax


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I think the confusion came in because Cira II was what people were loosely calling this Cira South project because it's architectural inspiration is clearly coming from Cira I. However, I think there was talk about a second Cira Center tower prior to Cira South's proposal and the name Cira II continued over... I am right Skyscraper forum vets?

About Blackrock's request to extend the KOZ certification seven more years...is this merely a formality for lawmakers to pass, or do you think it will be met with some resistance? To me, 7 extra years doesn't sound like they're asking for much here...especially when considering they won't come here if that request is not met. To me it just sounds like a negotiating technique and maybe they'll settle on say a three or five year extension. I just have trouble believing that a company's relocation viability would be compromised when they have over $1 trillion in assets...I know Philly's taxes are outrageous and in serious need of reform, but come on. 7 more years of taxes couldn't possibly make a dent into a stalwart company like Blackrock, could it?
     
     
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Not a huge update - more of what we've generally been talking about the past week. Still here is an article in this sunday's inquirer:

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Tax break could move major firm to Phila.

By Marcia Gelbart

Inquirer Staff Writer
With just a few weeks left before city and state lawmakers recess for summer, Gov. Rendell and Mayor Nutter are pushing for new tax breaks to coax a major financial firm, BlackRock Inc., to move here - and add its 1,100 well-paid employees to Philadelphia's job base.

If they succeed, the move would represent a historic influx of professional workers into the city - with each currently earning an average annual salary of $125,000.

Moreover, it would provide a chief tenant to anchor a proposed sister office building to the three-year-old Cira Centre, which in turn would help create a mini-neighborhood and close the gap between Center City and University City.

"As far as new companies moving in," said Deputy Commerce Director Duane Bumb, "I'm pretty sure this is the biggest thing the city has seen in at least 20 years, and probably longer."

To go forward, BlackRock and Cira Centre developer Brandywine Realty Trust want the city and state to quickly pass legislation that would, in essence, exempt BlackRock from paying any taxes, except the city wage tax, through 2025.

Specifically, a provision of the bill would grant a seven-year extension of tax-free benefits already enjoyed by tenants of the Cira Centre, located near 30th Street Station in what is designated as the West Philadelphia Keystone Opportunity Improvement Zone. The new office tower would also be in that zone.

But the tax-free benefits that apply to the zone are set to expire in 2018, seven years before the end of the 15-year lease BlackRock is seeking. For that reason, the legislation seeks to extend the tax break for another seven years to "unoccupied" property in the zone - that is, the new building.

Even with the loss of city tax revenue, the deal is worth it, according to Bumb's calculations.

In a review of one of two possible locations within the zone where the new tower would be built, at 2930 Chestnut St., Bumb estimates that the city would forgo $211,559 a year in real estate taxes, based on a 2008 assessment. Over the seven-year extension period, that would amount to a loss of nearly $1.5 million - far less than what the city stands to gain from a potential $4.3 million in wage tax revenue, he said. That does not include other revenue from wage taxes paid by other potential building tenants.

One of the world's largest investment management companies, BlackRock is actively looking to relocate its Plainsboro, N.J., office before its lease there expires. Besides Philadelphia, other sites in New Jersey are in contention.

"It would obviously be a real coup for the city and the region to land a group like this," said Phil Hopkins, director of research for Select Greater Philadelphia, which markets the 11-county region to firms.

Rendell has been quietly working to reel in BlackRock since early last fall. It has since become a priority for Nutter, too. In Harrisburg last week, he pressed lawmakers to approve the legislation.

To be sure, BlackRock's executives have been clear: No extension, no negotiating.

"Without the extension, this will not be a viable option for the company," Tom Callan, managing director of BlackRock told a City Council committee last week. Approvals are needed from both the city and state.

At Nutter's urging, the deal is quickly moving through Council, with seemingly no opposition. A final vote is expected Thursday.

Likewise, related measures are winding their way through the General Assembly. "There is a very strong effort to bring the [Keystone Opportunity Zone] changes to a conclusion this month," Erik Arneson, a spokesman for State Senate Majority Leader Dominic Pileggi, said.

While the creation of such tax-free zones has stirred significant controversy in past years, there seems to be only muted opposition to the effort this time.

For instance, in 2004, when Liberty Property Trust sought designation as a Keystone Opportunity Zone for the recently opened Comcast office tower at John F. Kennedy Boulevard and 17th Street, a group of Center City landlords successfully fought it.

The same landlord group had also opposed the original designation awarded to the Cira Centre, which led some large law firms to trade their Center City offices for tax-free space.

But, unlike Comcast and those law firms, BlackRock would move here from out of the city, and state.

Another reason for the relative quiet is that several business and civic leaders privately voice a reluctance to jeopardize the possible addition of such a high-profile company to Philadelphia's landscape.

Even Dave Campoli, who led the fight against the Comcast designation, said he didn't oppose the extension for BlackRock.

However, he said the landlord group is lobbying state lawmakers to amend the legislation on several fronts, including to limit the extension so that only non-Philadelphia companies that move into the zone can receive the tax breaks.

"Our obvious concern here is the ability to take tenants from existing downtown locations which have no possibility of getting any type of deal like this," said Campoli, vice president with HRPT Properties Trust, one of Center City's largest office owners.

He also believes the city must rethink its strategy for recruiting and expanding businesses here. "Right now, there is no overall policy to keep or grow the downtown businesses unless they move to a site selected by the government."

Brandywine chief executive Jerry Sweeney has also suggested that a review of sorts might be needed - but not yet.

"While we all agree that comprehensive citywide tax reform is crucial for the city's long-term success," he told Council last week, "opportunities such as the one presented to us today require more immediate action."

"Our experience in developing Cira Centre confirms the enormous value-potential of the University City area and why it should be considered a strategic growth opportunity for the city."

BlackRock Inc.

Business: Investment management

Chairman and CEO: Laurence Douglas Fink. Fink has run BlackRock since 1988. He was previously a managing director at First Boston Corp., an investment bank.

Client assets: $1.4 trillion, mostly in bonds, stocks and cash, also private equity and real estate.

2007 sales: $4.8 billion

2007 after-tax profits: $1 billion

Share value: BlackRock went public in 1999 at $14 a share, and now trades at around $204. BlackRock's total stock market value is $24 billion.

Owners: Merrill Lynch & Co., New York, 44 percent; PNC Financial Services Group, Pittsburgh, 37 percent; CEO Douglas L. Fink, 1 percent; other investors, 18 percent.

Employees: 4,200 at New York headquarters and offices in Boston, Chicago, Florham Park, N.J., Philadelphia, Plainsboro, N.J., San Francisco, Seattle, Wilmington, and other U.S. cities; and 1,800 in Edinburgh, Hong Kong, London, Melbourne, Munich, Singapore, Tokyo, and other foreign cities.

SOURCE: BlackRock 2007 SEC Form 10-K; Inquirer research
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/ho...eak_could_move_major_firm_to_Phila_.html
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2008, 4:35 PM
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walked by last night...

I walked by last night and it looks as if all the demo work is complete...i would say it would be ready to go if they wanted to start building...
     
     
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Would anyone be kind enough to post updated pictures like last time? Also, does anyone have inside scoup as to whether Harrisburg will pass the KOZ extended tax breaks before the summer session happens? I know that Black Rock wants to make the announcement at the beginning of July that it will move to Philly once Harrisburg passes the bill. Anyone?
     
     
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so are they gona put this thread in the construction section now
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Would anyone be kind enough to post updated pictures like last time? Also, does anyone have inside scoup as to whether Harrisburg will pass the KOZ extended tax breaks before the summer session happens? I know that Black Rock wants to make the announcement at the beginning of July that it will move to Philly once Harrisburg passes the bill. Anyone?
Yea, any news on this (KOZ status extension)? I thought the decision was meant to happen last week? Anyone got the word?
     
     
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