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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 11:36 PM
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If the port authority bought the hudson yards from the MTA they would have the same freedom there that the world trade center does.
The railyards are state owned, so they have a degree of independence...
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 11:39 PM
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Trade Center to Get Tenant From China


By CHARLES V. BAGLI

A Chinese real estate company has signed a nonbinding deal to lease space in the Freedom Tower, making it the first private company to agree to occupy the 102-story skyscraper now under construction at the former World Trade Center site.

The Beijing Vantone Real Estate Company plans to build the China Center, a combination chamber of commerce and cultural center, on floors 64 through 69 of the Freedom Tower,

“The China Center will be a gateway for Chinese corporations doing business in the U.S. or U.S. companies that want to understand the Chinese culture and do business there,” said Xue Ya, project director for the China Center.

The company said that it had always wanted to move to the Freedom Tower, and that given the cost of the project, it was unwise to build a temporary home at 195 Broadway. Vantone’s annual rent will start at about $80 per square foot, about $30 more than what it had negotiated at 7 World Trade Center
Another good sign for Downtown and the World Trade Center...
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It's nice to see the first private lease in the World Trade Center is actually a foreign company.

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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 12:59 AM
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I am still confused as to when the tower became 102 stories? Did they get rid of the big area with no floors at the bottom? Maybe this was mentioned previously but I missed it I guess.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 1:31 AM
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I am still confused as to when the tower became 102 stories? Did they get rid of the big area with no floors at the bottom? Maybe this was mentioned previously but I missed it I guess.
It's been that way since the last version came out.
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What happened to the other six stories? Hasn't it always been 108?
     
     
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What happened to the other six stories? Hasn't it always been 108?

The total number of floors is 108..but the top 6 floors are mechanical and do not count as occupied floors...bringing the number of floors on Freedom Tower to 102. The lobby itself counts as 20 floors, but the actual number of floors above it is 82. Confusing..yes
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So, the *actual* number of floors is only 82.
     
     
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Not counting the lobby and mechanical floors at the top (103-108)...then yes...82 total occupiable floors.
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So What We Are Saying Is New York Does Not Have A 100 Story Building Right Now Esb Is Only 86 Floors
     
     
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ESB Is 102 total "actual" floors, of which 85 is for office and commercial space, so yes it is still and will remain (for now) the only true 100+ story skyscraper in NYC, though not the tallest.
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Construction Delays Likely At WTC Site




by Eliot Brown
June 3, 2008

Construction of various projects at the World Trade Center site, including the Freedom Tower and the September 11 Memorial, could be delayed as the Paterson administration reexamines the shifting reality of the site’s construction budgets and timetables that were set by the Pataki administration.

Christopher Ward, the new executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the site’s landlord, is moving forward with an analysis of construction completion dates and other issues. He plans to publicly address the situation as soon as the next few weeks.

As he does so, numerous people involved with redevelopment downtown say delays are widely expected for multiple projects, including the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, the PATH station that features a Santiago Calatrava-designed oculus, and perhaps the Freedom Tower. In the past few years, officials have been working with unrealistic dates, people involved said, as the complexities of the site were never fully understood before the timetables were set.

A government-commissioned assessment found that the interior museum portion of the memorial may not be ready until 2013 or 2014, pushed back from the most recent target of 2011, the people involved with the redevelopment said. The PATH station, once expected to cost $2.2 billion, is the furthest behind schedule and overbudget, with completion not expected until at least 2013, up from 2009. Utilities connecting to all the site are behind schedule, and the Freedom Tower is thought to be closer to the target date of 2012 than any of the other projects, though its completion date may now be at least 2013.

The decision to reevaluate the dates set by the Pataki administration represents a turnaround from the Spitzer administration, which was aware of the site’s challenges but chose generally to publicly keep the target dates as opposed to blaming departed officials for delays and then setting a new schedule.

A former state official said the rationale at the time was that more conservative targets would have had a deterministic effect, resulting in an overall later completion of the whole site. Had the Spitzer administration set new dates, it felt, the contractors would have had no incentive to finish the jobs any earlier than the new targets. But by choosing to keep the less realistic dates, officials hoped to push the contractors to come at least somewhat close to hitting those original marks.

That stance drew internal fire in the Spitzer administration from the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, said people familiar with discussions, though the Port Authority maintained the approach.

Now there’s new leadership in Albany and at the Port Authority—Mr. Ward was sworn in as executive director in May—and the unrealistic target dates are drawing nearer with the projects’ completions still far away.

“The Port Authority was asked to take the lead in rebuilding in late 2006, and the site went from a complete stop on construction to a sprint,” said a Port Authority spokesman, Stephen Sigmund. With a new director, “it’s totally appropriate for him to want to—and for the board and our governors to want him to—do a full assessment of the projects to make sure they’re moving forward accountably and with achievable timelines and budgets.”

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER site is one of tremendous complexity, and timetables for the various projects were set at a point when officials had not yet done the requisite work to determine whether the firm dates were actually attainable, said multiple people familiar with the rebuilding effort. The Pataki administration had already pushed date after date—the Freedom Tower and the PATH station were once scheduled to have opened by now—and at the time when the recent completion dates were set, Governor Pataki was pondering a run for president, with the revitalization of Lower Manhattan poised to be a major issue.

As Mr. Pataki was leaving office, the city-/state-controlled Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center brought in a host of outside consultants to make an independent risk assessment that looked at the various projects at the site, considering their target completion dates and potential impediments. The result, a closely held report, painted a picture of an uncoordinated mess at ground zero, with innumerable obstacles to target timelines and budgets, people familiar with the report said. Each of the projects on the site was found to be acting as if it were on a site of its own, with a notable and substantial lack of coordination, a structure that lends itself to setbacks.

The expected delays now come in part as a result of the interconnected nature of construction, as changes or unanticipated actions at one project affect numerous other operations on the Rubik’s Cube-like site.

Four towers over 900 feet tall are being constructed simultaneously over a relatively small footprint with little space for staging; the Port Authority needs to construct a vehicle security center that cannot be built until the former Deutsche Bank tower is demolished; the memorial may have trouble functioning without the completion of an underground parking garage beneath developer Larry Silverstein’s towers; PATH and subway trains must run continuously; the office towers cannot function until common utility infrastructure is built on the site, a program well behind schedule; and the box that holds the No. 1 subway line must be reinforced and supported before any work through much of the site can move forward—a task that was not initially anticipated with the level of complexity required, people familiar with the site said.

In the case of the memorial and the museum, much of the interior work is dependent upon the completion of the adjacent PATH hub, which in turn is undergoing revisions in an attempt to cut costs. The target completion is now set for the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, but the LMCCC report from last year found that the interior museum portion is unlikely to be completed before 2013, according to people familiar with the findings.

The biggest delays and overruns at the site are at the PATH hub, a $2.2 billion project that was given a budget and timeline well before anyone grasped its intricacies, officials say. First, the entire temporary PATH station on the eastern edge of the site must be completely removed and excavated down to the bedrock before any work can begin. Then the structure must be built with an intricate network of mechanical and technical infrastructure, parking, retail, a spacious concourse, and a pricey above-ground winged, spiky structure.

Fitting all of that into the $2.2 billion budget is considered a total impossibility; as of April, the Port Authority was set on holding the costs to $2.5 billion, a number that includes a $300 million contingency fund from the Federal Transit Administration, though that position also may change.

As for timelines, a December risk assessment from the F.T.A. found that the project has a 50-50 chance of being finished by June 2013.

The Freedom Tower is considered in more stable shape financially than the PATH station, as the bulk of the construction contracts have already been bid upon and awarded. People familiar with the construction said it stands to be at least six months behind schedule, pushing into 2013 at least.

As for the other projects at the site, those involved in the rebuilding generally considered the delivery dates for Mr. Silverstein’s Towers 2, 3 and 4—in 2012—to be relatively realistic; however, they, too, are very dependent on the progress elsewhere. The towers are all to get electricity and other utilities, for instance, from a central infrastructure to be built by the Port Authority.


Mr. Silverstein recently was given an extra four to six months to complete two of the towers, as he is negotiating to potentially bring Merrill Lynch to a redesigned Tower 3.

Then there is the Performing Arts Center, a Frank Gehry-designed building planned to go on the northern edge of the site. The hundreds of millions in necessary funding for the center is virtually nonexistent right now, and construction would have to wait at least four or five years, people familiar with the site say. The state and city are also still considering a proposal to move it above the troubled Fulton Street Transit Center a few blocks to the east.

Two other buildings, Fiterman Hall to the north of the site and the former Deutsche Bank building to the south, still remain damaged and are awaiting deconstruction. The state is working on bringing down the Deutschetower, at 130 Liberty Street, by first decontaminating it, but the demolition of CUNY’s Fiterman Hall is held up as the city and state have a dispute over funding.

“One-thirty liberty has to come down; Fiterman Hall has to come down,” said Elizabeth Berger, president of the Alliance for Downtown New York, the major business group in Lower Manhattan. “I can’t believe that we will have the seventh anniversary of 9/11, and they will still be up.”

With regard to construction at the World Trade Center site, Ms. Berger expressed confidence in the effort to set new, realistic dates, as construction is indeed moving forward.

“What’s important are real timetables, real schedules, and meeting them, and action now,” she said. “There is progress, we’re excited about that. It can’t stop; it’s got to keep going.”
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So What We Are Saying Is New York Does Not Have A 100 Story Building Right Now Esb Is Only 86 Floors
Yes. The floors in the observation tower on the top of ESB aren't real, it has only 86 floors. ( If they are, shouldn't the CN tower be counted 147 floors ? ) New York does not have any 100 story building. It had 2 in the past though, thanks to Mr. Brave Minoru Yamasaki.

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i think i heard wtc 2 also has 100 floors

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Yes. The floors in the observation tower on the top of ESB aren't real, it has only 86 floors. ( If they were, shouldn't the CN tower be counted 147 floors ? ) New York does not have any 100 story building. It had 2 in the past though, thanks to Mr. Brave Minoru Yamasaki.
really
thats why it is 100 floors i dident know thay counted the tower in floors???
ive heard that not counting the tower it was still 100 floors
     
     
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Not counting the lobby and mechanical floors at the top (103-108)...then yes...82 total occupiable floors.
to me it dosent really matter
a floor is a floor no matter what its used for
in my book it still counts. but thats just me
     
     
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to me it dosent really matter
a floor is a floor no matter what its used for
in my book it still counts. but thats just me
Even with those mechanical floors, the floor count doesn't add up to 100 unless we say that the base has 20 floors, which it doesn't. Maybe thats why its still says 82 floors for FT at emporis. http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=201521
     
     
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Should be if I can get in an elevator and go to that floor than it counts or if I can take stairs to it. Except Mechanical floors since they are not occupiable. Otherwise it is just marketing hype to claim more floors. 20 floors that aren't there makes no sense except to claim you have 100 floors. So is there actually "floors" added to Freedoms Base or are they just claiming 20 floors?
     
     
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the twin towers were a true 110 each , they had mechanical floors above the lobby and the 44th and 78th floof sky lobbies and also the lobby was a at least 6 floors. yet all the floors were counted to 109 floors 110 on the roof.actually they were 117 if you counted the basement floors.....
     
     
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While we're on the subject of floors, I still think it's a shame the new 1WTC has to have a base that is so obviously the product of paranoia. Oh well, it's better than it would have been. Can't complain about a safe building, I suppose.
     
     
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