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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 6:38 PM
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Oh, and whatever happened to that laser show/laser halo idea for Arco Plaza (now City National Plaza)?
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They opted not to go ahead with the installation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 6:58 PM
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I see; so in order for one to make a true judgement, they need to see a rendering that looks as identical as when it's built as possible.
You can say you like what you see, but you need to know what type of rendering you are looking at so that you can start to decipher what's realistic.

I can say very clearly "I like what I see in The Grand rendering even though I don't know what that bluish siding on the little building is actually made of, or will look like once built". Got it?

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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 9:06 PM
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The Grand rendering is "cartoonish" (don't confuse that by thinking I think the rendering looks silly like a cartoon") The more cartoonish (there has to be a better word) a rendering is, the less realistic looking are the colors, lighting, reflections, shadowing, etc. It's also not clear what materials are used and the less likely it will look like the final product. Therefore, the less likely one is able to say they like or don't like a building and will hold off judgment until they get a clearer rendering.
The blue material on the taller tower is glass (this has been confirmed in several articles now). In the render, it's reflecting the color of the sky, so aside from it being a tad bit too bright, the rendering is pretty close to being photo-realistic.

The silvery material on the shorter tower will likely be brushed aluminum, a Gehry trademark. Though with the cost of facade grade aluminum rising faster than most materials, we may see some value engineering here.

As for the podium materials, I can make out brown and grey-colored stone surfaces (the latter of which he used on the backside of Disney Hall) on the retail spaces fronting the street and at the base of the hotel tower, clear plate glass (fronting the corner for example) and brushed aluminum or perhaps fabric curved overhangs as accents. The rest is trees and concrete.

What we don't know is what materials they will use for the "inside" of the taller tower, or the two sides that face the center of the block. That area has undergone a few revisions and isn't clearly shown from this angle. But Gehry tends to work with only a few materials over the past decade (aluminum, glass, stone, metal accents and concrete), so it shouldn't be a huge mystery.

Aside from that, this is a pretty representative rendering of what we should get. And a skilled photographer could in fact render this image as it exists now.
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I still remember and love ThreeHundred's idea for red neon on the AON tower.

Oh, and whatever happened to that laser show/laser halo idea for Arco Plaza (now City National Plaza)?
thats the kind of idea that I would definitely love to see implemented.

still not convinced on the wtc memorial vertical beams of light though. I can't help but think that the Luxor beam is a desperation move not appropriate for a downtown area outside of Macao.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 2:18 AM
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For those who are curious as to what my idea: Years ago (like 3 lol), I had a idea of someone lining the edges AON with red neon lighting. My insparation was BofA Plaza in Dallas.



Speaking of AON, does anyone have an update on the improved lobby/streetscape?
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Years ago (like 3 lol), I had a idea of someone lining the edges AON with red neon lighting. My insparation was BofA Plaza in Dallas.

I guess good aesthetics or good design is altogether in the eye of the beholder, cuz outlining a highrise with neon strikes me as an overly gimmicky concept. The Embarcadero Ctr in SF also is lit like that bldg in dallas, & I've never cared for it there or in texas. That type of exterior illumination has always made me think immediately of highrises located in the south or sunbelt, more than in a city like NYC or chicago.

I'm even more surprised you'd think something like tube lighting is good since you also said that a design that is simpler, plainer or more subtle, referring to seachlights pointed skyward on the top of a bldg, is "tacky".

Getting past lighting that outlines a bldg or has spotlights on top of it, I definitely prefer the format that I saw on top of the DWP bldg, next to the Music Ctr, a few nights ago. That's where the crown of the bldg, which glows with an orange color, is lit up. IMHO, that's more simple & yet more effective that what I imagine is the far more $$ to install, & also harder & more $$ to maintain, lighting system of tubes running around the perimeter of a highrise.
     
     
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I guess good aesthetics or good design is altogether in the eye of the beholder, cuz outlining a highrise with neon strikes me as an overly gimmicky concept. The Embarcadero Ctr in SF also is lit like that bldg in dallas, & I've never cared for it there or in texas. That type of exterior illumination has always made me think immediately of highrises located in the south or sunbelt, more than in a city like NYC or chicago.

I'm even more surprised you'd think something like tube lighting is good since you also said that a design that is simpler, plainer or more subtle, referring to seachlights pointed skyward on the top of a bldg, is "tacky".

Getting past lighting that outlines a bldg or has spotlights on top of it, I definitely prefer the format that I saw on top of the DWP bldg, next to the Music Ctr, a few nights ago. That's where the crown of the bldg, which glows with an orange color, is lit up. IMHO, that's more simple & yet more effective that what I imagine is the far more $$ to install, & also harder & more $$ to maintain, lighting system of tubes running around the perimeter of a highrise.
I agree with you.

The Hanover and Library Tower go about as far as necessary, IMO. In fact, Library Tower is perfect.

That building in Dallas deserves to be on the Main Street Electrical Parade.
     
     
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I agree with citywatch as well on the neon lighting part as being tacky. It looks like a design associated with the south. I still stand by my preference for a few beam of lights on top of Transamerica tower. Someone should take a picture of the tower in Long Beach that has it and tell me it looks tacky!
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Electrical parade! LOL
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See here:
http://electroland.net/

They opted not to go ahead with the installation.
Steve2726, thanks for posting that website. Glad to see so many of their projects are in LA. Most of them I had never heard mentioned. The one in N. Hollywood is so LA (cars and movies). I don't even see how the City National project would even be possible, but it was really different. I envision cars on the freeway slowing down just to try to figure out what they were looking at.
     
     
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You guys ALL have horrible taste

I think we should go with JDRCRASH's idea to put a 2,000 ft spire on the US Bank Tower with a giant clown head at the top that lights up at night.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 7:32 PM
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^ Pff. I'm gay. I taste just like candy and Kelis is in my avatar. I don't walk into a room I sashe into it. By default, my taste is top tier.

But I agree. A spire on the US Bank Tower would be TIGHT!!! Clown head and all.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 8:05 PM
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You and me both ThreeHundred!
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But in reality...no...no spires, no neon outlining on our buildings.
Its like putting that cheap silver tinsel on a christmas tree. Aon is fine as it is...cept that Aon sign.
Bleh!
I love the way lighting was handled on the 777 Tower and on the former Sanwa Bank Bldg (forgot its new name)
It was simple, yet highlights each structure. Hanover looks pretty good too.
Im curious to see a nightime rendering of Park Fifth. Its overhangs and balconies and that big box on the roof should make it interesting.
Im more concerned however with street level lighting. THAT is a major problem that needs to be addressed.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 10:44 PM
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Actually red neon edging the AON Tower would be pretty cool in a throwback retro 80s kinda way.

Has anyone spied purple/gold crown lighting on the US Bank Tower crown yet? They did this during the last Lakers championship run but I haven't seen those colors yet.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2008, 10:52 PM
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Well the finals don't start until tomorrow. Mabye then?

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I've said it before, and i'll say it again; I think that having a couple more crowns and an Antennae to top it off would look great; if only people would agree with me though.

I dunno DowntownCharlieBrown, having no logos on it makes it look....plain.
And people dislike my idea for AON. Philistines.
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^^^ isn't one of the buildings by BofA already lined in red neon?
     
     
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^ Pff. I'm gay. I taste just like candy and Kelis is in my avatar. I don't walk into a room I sashe into it. By default, my taste is top tier.
One of the best responses I've read on SSP. Ever.
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Old Posted Jun 5, 2008, 5:54 AM
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Alright, alright. While I admit this conversation has been funny at times, let's cut the spire talk for US Bank Tower. It ain't gonna happen. Please, post something on topic or don't post at all.
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Beautiful job at restoring the base of the Brockman Building...


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Jesus Christ. That's just..wow..stunning.
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