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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 6:16 PM
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Also remember that the new Costco is in an industrial area. Chances are Burnaby would not have allowed them to build in a "core area". i.e. Burnaby is moving all of the auto dealerships off of Lougheed Highway down to the Still Creek area (near Costco) to make way for transit-oriented development @ Brentwood.
Likewise - you should be complaining about the new Keg Restaurant that just opened up down there - there's absolutely no need for it to be surrounded by a huge parking lot!
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 10:24 PM
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i was at costco last night - the parking is quite big but as a parker it was great lots of room and space

but the store stunk really bad - i was getting a headache - i pity the people that have to work in there

i suppose the smell will go away as it gets older - but its a harsh chemical smell - nauseating

they have also reconfigured the road and looks like they will be putting up a barrier on willingdon
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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 1:43 AM
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If you'd ever been to the Grandview Costco you'd know the parking lot was a joke, it was very cramped, many fender benders just waiting to happen. My girlfriend and I drive a 4 cyl compact car, and even so we were thrilled to see the dimensions of the new parking lot. The reality is that Costco shoppers tend to come in large vehicles. You can argue that this is not environmentally friendly, but Costco using a little more land for parking is hardly an environmental disaster.
If the lot was a little larger than normal, I wouldn't have noticed. The fact is, this is the lowest density parking lot I've ever seen - it's an enormous waste of land where there could have been trees, more development, or something else useful. And the old Costco's lot isn't really that cramped at all - maybe just slightly tighter than average. The Superstore down the street is definitely tighter than that Costco.

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2. Costco as a business model appeals to the SUV driving, McMansion living, suburbanite crowd. As a group these are among the worst resource wasters and polluters in the world. Is that Costco's fault? We're still living in a free market. Exercise your opinion with your wallet (and by all means, tell all your friends).
No, it's not Costco's fault that Vancouver developed this way - they're just doing their best to perpetuate that pattern of development, and they're entitled to do that (regrettably, in my opinion). My main beef is that Costco is not doing as they're saying, which, again, was, "the company has always tried to minimize its impact on the environment".

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Also remember that the new Costco is in an industrial area. Chances are Burnaby would not have allowed them to build in a "core area". i.e. Burnaby is moving all of the auto dealerships off of Lougheed Highway down to the Still Creek area (near Costco) to make way for transit-oriented development @ Brentwood.
Industrial land that should have been retained for actual industrial purposes, perhaps. And, I'm quite certain that Burnaby would have allowed them to build in a core area. First, there's the regional precedent of the Downtown Costco. Second, Burnaby already has big boxes of its own in high density mixed-use developments - the Save Ons in Madison Centre and Edmonds, and the Future Shop and Best Buy at Metrotown.

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Likewise - you should be complaining about the new Keg Restaurant that just opened up down there - there's absolutely no need for it to be surrounded by a huge parking lot!
I wouldn't have said anything if Costco didn't say they were green. If I read about the Keg gloating about how their new location was green, then I wouldn't agree with them, though I don't think their abuses are on the same scale as Costco's.
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With the floor size of the new store.. they could have done a huge amount of underground parking there.. that seems to work fine downtown.. I was disappointed that there was no gas bar..

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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 2:25 AM
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Yeah, I'm a little surprised that the land wasn't worth enough to move parking underground and develop the land in other ways. Maybe rezoning/permits would have been too difficult?

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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 2:45 AM
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I'm not so sure they could do much in terms of underground parking there, due to the creek nearby, but they could probably do some kind of parkade if they actually wanted to. I'm not even asking for that though; I'm just against them wasting so much land, and calling it green.

By the way, I've probably walked or taken transit to Costco at least as often as I've driven there. Mind you, I don't buy much there. One thing I think would be nice is if big boxes legitimatized taking shopping carts off the property, so that you could bring stuff home without them caring. I see Walmart is taking the opposite approach, with automatic wheel-locking carts once you cross the property line.

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I'm not so sure they could do much in terms of underground parking there, due to the creek nearby, but they could probably do some kind of parkade if they actually wanted to. I'm not even asking for that though; I'm just against them wasting so much land, and calling it green.

By the way, I've probably walked or taken transit to Costco at least as often as I've driven there. Mind you, I don't buy much there. One thing I think would be nice is if big boxes legitimatized taking shopping carts off the property, so that you could bring stuff home without them caring. I see Walmart is taking the opposite approach, with automatic wheel-locking carts once you cross the property line.
I live above the downtown Costco. And I would say close to HALF the customers there are on foot or hop a cab home with all their stuff. I know I sure do

the new Burnaby Costco is pretty sad I have to agree.
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Shopping carts are worth a few hundred dollars each and you'd probably see lots of them sold at the scrap metal dealer if you let them freely off store property. You just have to get your own folding cart.
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re: Costco underground parking

I think Still Creek in that area is quite prone to flooding. Wasn't Dick's Lumber and some condo's underground parking flooded a few years back? The Willingdon offramp occasionally needs to be closed because of flooding too.

I wonder if all this new development around the creek is only going to make the flooding worse in years to come with more surface runoff going into the creek.
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Shopping carts are worth a few hundred dollars each and you'd probably see lots of them sold at the scrap metal dealer if you let them freely off store property. You just have to get your own folding cart.
They could do some kind of rental/deposit system. I'm guessing something like this must exist somewhere in the world. They just have to be innovative.
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The old entrance to the capital theatres on Granville will apparently be a Quick Silver store. The creative reuse of this entry way has been amazing.
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The first one in Vancouver (other than the Queensbourough one)?
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No, I'm pretty sure there's another one. I never went into it, so I don't remember where it is.
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The old entrance to the capital theatres on Granville will apparently be a Quick Silver store. The creative reuse of this entry way has been amazing.
sweet! Granville is becoming our next great shopping street!
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They could do some kind of rental/deposit system. I'm guessing something like this must exist somewhere in the world. They just have to be innovative.
if you leave your membership card with the security guard at the Downtown Costco you can take a cart home and back no probs.
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The old entrance to the capital theatres on Granville will apparently be a Quick Silver store. The creative reuse of this entry way has been amazing.
so i guess this will be like the puma store for me, nice to look at but never a place i'd bother shopping at.
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 6:08 PM
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if you leave your membership card with the security guard at the Downtown Costco you can take a cart home and back no probs.
That's awesome - the member card is a great way to do this. Good for Costco on that.

I've also seen various apartment buildings with a stash of shopping carts from various stores to deal with this issue. This system is really user friendly since you don't even need to make extra trips to return the carts to the store, but I somehow have my doubts that these stashes were acquired with permission. Also, if all places had this type of thing, stores would need thousands of carts. Maybe if a reasonable shopping cart convenience fee (paid to the stores) was made part of rent/strata fees, or if these buildings actually owned a few carts that were locked up somewhere only residents had access to, or if the stores just realized that not having to pay for parking spaces for customers like these offsets the costs of lending them shopping carts, this model could be improved. No matter what though, it's great for the environment compared to driving.

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No, I'm pretty sure there's another one. I never went into it, so I don't remember where it is.
You're right. Forgot about the one in Oakridge.
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re: Costco underground parking

I think Still Creek in that area is quite prone to flooding. Wasn't Dick's Lumber and some condo's underground parking flooded a few years back? The Willingdon offramp occasionally needs to be closed because of flooding too.

I wonder if all this new development around the creek is only going to make the flooding worse in years to come with more surface runoff going into the creek.
yes that area has flooded a number of times over the years
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The condos have retention ponds for flood overflow adjacent to the creek - not sure if Costco is close enough to the creek to have been required to install any, etc.
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