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Old Posted May 25, 2008, 2:22 AM
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Semiahmoo Mall Development/SouthSurrey

500 turn out to see vision of Semiahmoo
By Tracy Holmes - Peace Arch News - May 23, 2008
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Michael Burton-Brown, a founding principal of Abbarch Architecture, answers questions with the aid of a laser pointer on a scale model of Bosa Development Corp.’s plans for Semiahmoo Town Centre. Burton-Brown’s other Lower Mainland projects include Lansdowne Park Mall, Oakridge Centre and Park Royal South.
Brian Giebelhaus photo

Too big for White Rock.

Better up than out.

I hope I live long enough to see it.

Comments collected at Thursday’s information meeting on expansive plans for the Semiahmoo Shopping Centre site were as varied as those who came to peruse them.

More than 500 residents and merchants wanted a closer look at what the future holds for the Surrey site bordered by 16 Avenue, 152 Street, 18 Avenue and Martin Drive.

Bosa Development Corp. wants to add 1,160 dwelling units in six 18- to 36-storey towers on the site. Preliminary plans also include an eight-storey office building, new roadways, a controlled-climate food court, and underground parking.

Many attendees at the information meeting – at least in the first half of the four-hour session – arrived with curiosity and concern:

When will it be built? Why is there no enclosed mall? How much attention will be given to the aesthetics of the highrises? Has consideration been given for potential impact on surrounding schools, Peace Arch Hospital and the already-busy roadways?

“It’s too big for the area,” said Gladys Hawley. “It’s too much, too soon, for all the aging people that are here.”

Hawley is a member of a walking group that meets at the mall. Bosa’s plans are a hot topic, the White Rock senior said.

“We’re all elderly and we’re kind of worried about it – what is going to be in it for us?” Hawley said. “We just don’t see that it’s going to be good unless things change.”

Hawley retired to the Peninsula 19 years ago, but has memories of the quaint seaside town from decades earlier. She said she’s not opposed to change, and was “really excited” to hear a plan was in the works. That changed when she saw the plans.

“We need change, but not drastic,” Hawley said. “I was hoping for a nice community centre, which we need so badly.”

Richard Weir, Bosa’s vice-president of real estate development, said he heard from many residents concerned about losing the enclosed mall, but said city requirements for new roadways diverting traffic flow off 152 Street and 16 Avenue eliminate that option.

“When you do that, you cut the site into small parcels, which means you can’t have an enclosed mall,” Weir said.

Asked how much leeway there is for adjusting the plan based on residents concerns, Weir said aspects such as density, road patterns and amenities are basically fixed. There is wriggle room to shift tower heights.

Mass opposition to things like losing the indoor mall, or the project as a whole, would not be ignored, he said.

“This exercise is about gauging the community’s level of support for this proposal. If the public is overwhelmingly opposed to it, it’s not going to proceed,” Weir said.

If approved, construction of the first phase would get underway in about three years. The entire project – figured worth about $1 billion – would take at least 10 years to complete, over approximately seven phases.

South Surrey’s Phil Embley wants assurance that due attention will be given to building design.

“I hope you’ll spend some money on real architecture here. That stuff there looks pretty bland,” he told one Bosa rep, referring to a model of the project.

Embley later said many Peninsula projects are “really not up to community standards.”

“I would really like to see them do something really outstanding with the architecture,” he said, noting designs south of the border are generally better than local ones.

Embley said he is not concerned about heights of the proposed towers, and that he likes the overall plan.

“I’d rather have high density going up with some open spaces rather than a big footprint,” he said. “I’m in favour of towers rather than scrawl.

“I like the idea of what they’re doing here. The community is changing. There’s a lot more density, but I think it’s better.”

The next morning, Weir said comments on the plans were increasingly positive as the information meeting wore on, and included “a lot of constructive feedback.”

Regarding concerns infrastructure won’t support the influx of traffic and people the development will draw, Weir noted Bosa will be paying about $30 million in development cost charges and other fees associated with services, including police, fire and library. How those fees are used is up to Surrey, he said, noting comments collected at the meeting will be forwarded to the city.

Another public meeting has not been scheduled yet, however, Weir said there will be “many, many more” meetings as things move along, including before every phase. The developer may try to meet with Surrey council in July, Weir said, “for approval in principle, not approval.”

The display and design details shared Thursday, Weir noted, will be available on Bosa’s website, www.bosadev.com, within two weeks.
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An update on the village at Fraser Mills. I've copied over the parts I found interesting.

http://www.villageatfrasermills.com/pdf/news/CITYDOCS634565v1RC_COTW_may122008_5991.pdf

• Increasing the amount of permitted commercial floorspace on the site from
110,000 - 175.000 sq. ft. (10,219 - 16,258 sq. m.) to 175,000 - approximately 275,000 sq. ft. (16,258 - 25,548 sq. m.) and the amount of permitted light industrial and related floorspace from not less than 400,000 sq. ft. on 12 acres (4.9 ha) to not less than approximately 650,000 sq. ft. (60,380 sq. m.) on approximately 16 acres (6.5 ha). Staff view these changes as positive since they will increase the amount of employment-generating floorspace on the site and further boost Coquitlam's non-residential tax base.

• Increasing the maximum permitted height of the 13 planned residential
towers from 30 storeys to 38 storeys (one tower only), with an overall
averageof 30 storeys
. This proposed change is based on the Beedie Group
removing some ofthe low-rise buildings that were inthe initial plans in
order to create more open space while still retaining the allowable
residential density. Detailed viewline and shadow impact analyses have now
been conducted bythe Beedie Group that show slightly taller towers can be
accommodated without adverse impacts. The total permitted number of
residential units remains unchanged at a rangeof 3,200 minimum to 3,700
maximum.


• Designating a parcel for a potential elementary school on the site is at the
request ofthe Coquitlam School District. Demographic analysis undertaken
by the Beedie Group and reviewed by School District staff concluded there
ultimately could be sufficient school-age children living on the site to
support a local school. City staff are working with the Beedie Group and
School District staff on innovative ways in which the school might be
constructed and financed and will be reporting progress to Counci! as these
discussions proceed.

• Inclusion of a full-size sportsfield nearthe waterfront that would be Cityowned. This is in response to the demographic analysis undertaken by the Beedie Group, which concluded the Fraser Mills site could ultimately have a
population of about 7,500, which Leisure and Parks Services staff believe is sufficient to support a full-size sportsfield.

3. Wastech Site
The 6.7 acre (2.7 ha) site at 1200 United Boulevard is owned bythe City and
currently occupied by the Wastech transfer station under lease, which will be
expiring in several years time. The Beedie Group is proposing to acquire the site, which would form part ofthe Fraser Mills neighbourhood and allow a direct
vehicle and pedestrian link from United Boulevard through the site down to the
waterfront village plaza. This link is viewed bythe Beedie Group's retail
consultants and site planners and City staff as vital to the amount and type ofretail commercial floorspace that can be supported on the site and is critical for the creation of a vibrant village core.
In order to incorporate the Wastech site Into the Fraser Mills Neighbourhood
Plan, the CWOCP designation for the site is proposed to be changed from
"Industrial" to "Waterfront Village Centre" as part ofthe current application to
match that ofthe rest ofthe Fraser Mills site. Upon the City's acceptance of the property purchase offer, expiry ofthe current lease and relocation ofthe transfer station, the Wastech site would be redeveloped for retail commercial use of the highest design standard in both building form and character to help create an attractive entranceway to the Fraser Mills neighbourhood.
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wow pretty interesting proposal now. will be interesting to see a render of this.
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Surrey 'first urban park' opens

Hundreds of visitors took part in the official opening of Holland Park on Saturday.

The full day of family activities included musicians, guided tours, parades, roving artists and the landing of three parachutists.

Designated by officials as Surrey's first urban park, Holland Park features horticultural displays, paved walkways and a plaza with several water fountains.

The park is located at King George Highway and Old Yale Road, just south of Central City Shopping Centre.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/19249654.html
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St. Mary's site up for sale again

Theresa McManus, The Record
Published: Saturday, May 24, 2008

Four years after purchasing the St. Mary's Hospital site, Embassy Development Corporation is putting it back on the market.

On behalf of Embassy Develop-ment, CB Richard Ellis Limited is offering for sale the freehold interest in the residential development site that was formerly home to St. Mary's Hospital.

"The slope of New Westminster's central core from Royal Avenue to the waterfront provides the site with spectacular river and park views from virtually all vantage points," said the listing.

"The offering represents a rare opportunity to acquire one of the best residential development sites in New Westminster."

The listing states that the existing site area of 139,265 square feet could potentially be increased up to 153,265 sq. ft. through the acquisition of St. Mary's Street and part of Cunningham Street.

A May 22 letter from CB Richard Ellis Limited states that the site potentially has a floorspace ratio as high as 4.0, which could provide an opportunity to develop up to 613,060 buildable square feet.

"That said, our discussion with the City of New Westminster planning department suggests a multi-family, four-storey frame project with a floorspace ratio of approximately 1.8 per cent would be looked at more favourably," said the letter.

On May 20, 2004, the Sisters of Providence announced they'd sold the property to Bosa Development Corporation. Company president Nat Bosa told The Record at the time that the site was purchased for $4.44 million.

Ryan Bosa, president of Embassy Development Corporation, said his company has spent "millions" on designs and redesigns for the project in the past four years. He declined to comment on the reason to sell the site.

"I think it is a dynamite site," he told The Record. "It has a lot of potential."

If the site sells, Bosa said it could be a year before the sale closes because it would likely be subject to having the required zoning in place or being well into that process.

In November 2004, Embassy unveiled plans that showed two 32-storey towers containing 370 apartments, 29 two- and three-storey townhouses and 38 units in a four-storey lowrise building on the St. Mary's site.

In 2007, a revised plan called for three highrise towers of 24, 27 and 27 storeys, a four-storey lowrise building and street-fronting townhouses at the base of each highrise, having a total of 577 residential units.

In November 2007, the city held a public hearing about amending the official community plan to allow a residential high-density development at the St. Mary's Hospital site.

Ten of 11 speakers at the public hearing voiced concerns about the project, most agreeing that a lowrise development would be acceptable to the community.

Jim Hurst, senior planning analyst for the City of New Westminster, said staff supported a higher density at the site, but there wasn't a lot of support from the immediate neighbourhood for higher density.

He said the city investigated potential uses for the site when the hospital closed and determined that institutional and industrial uses wouldn't work at the location.

We did bring it down to a residential use," he said. "The question left is, at what density, what height?"

Hurst believes the St. Mary's site is a "prime" property for residential development.

Lisa Spitale, director of development services, said the good news from the city's perspective is that some work has already been done regarding the site, such as determining the type of use that would be suitable.

"When someone picks it up, we still have to look at this as an OCP amendment," she said. "We still have to go through that process."

Spitale wasn't surprised by Embassy's decision to put the site on the market because it's something the company has been talking about for some time.

"They were at this for a while," she said. "I appreciate there are other projects they have."

The City of New Westminster is currently updating the downtown official community plan, which will help provide some clarity about the community's vision for this area and offer an opportunity to review the site's existing zoning.

Spitale was impressed that the sales literature stated that the four-storey, multi-family project may be something the city may support.

She said it's one of the rare times she's seen a brochure suggest a lower floorspace ratio than what the applicant has brought forward.

Spitale said it's prudent that the applicant start discussions about a lowrise development and work its way up, recognizing that towers may not be the best use on the site.

She said lowrises can be less expensive to construct and provide less risk to the developer.

Mayor Wayne Wright said he's not surprised Embassy decided to sell the site. He personally thought the site would have been developed more quickly.

"There was a point there, I think he got frustrated with the time it was taking," he said about Ryan Bosa. "He is not a one-off developer. There were other things where he could go off to."

Wright is looking forward to seeing what type of proposal comes forward for the site in the future.

While the company working on behalf of Embassy has stated that a multiple-family, four-storey frame project may be favourably received by the city, Wright said earlier analysis showed that a highrise would be "overwhelmingly" better for the city in terms of taxation.

The Sisters of Charity of Providence founded St. Mary's Hospital in 1887, first as a small wood building on a lot facing Agnes Street. In 1956 the hospital was completely rebuilt on the site bounded by Royal Avenue, St. Mary's Street, Agnes Street and Merrivale Street. Despite massive public protests and opposition from the City of New Westminster, St. Mary's Hospital closed in May 2004 when its funding from the Fraser Health Authority ran out.

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^ AH crap, I knew something was up with that Embassy proposal. I wonder how long the property will take to sell or even if it will sell at all?
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She said the Chamber businesses support the $1-billion development, which would include 5,700 housing units with 1,700 hotel rooms and 25 ski lifts and two golf courses that would make it about half the size of Whistler.
Wow, ambitious. Would no doubt be a boon to Squamish and a great addition to the Vancouver-Whistler corridor.
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In regard to the property on the NE corner of Boundary and Lougheed that TransLink acquired sometime in December 2007 or January 2008, which was discussed a couple pages ago:
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Heres an excert from the document

1.2 The South Coast British Columbia Transportation Authority ("TransLink) intends to proceed with the Preliminary Design of a new facility to contain operating functions, which are presently located at an
existing facility at Bumaby Transit Centre North, on Kitchener Street in Bumaby, British Columbia.

1.3 These functions are to be relocated from their existing location to a TransLink-owned property at 3777 Lougheed Highway, which is on the northeast comer of Lougheed Highway and Boundary Road in Bumaby, B.C. The functions to be accommodated at the new property include office and administration facilities for Infrastructure, Trolley Overhead, and Environment, shop facilities for
Infrastructure, Transit Signage, and the counting facility for Farebox Revenue.
And my wondering whether Burnaby was advancing the previous owner's (Bosa's) higher density rezoning proposal, in order to block the above kind of usage Translink had in mind for the site...

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I thought this might have been part of their real estate strategy, densifying near rapid transit.

Is the City of Burnaby's continuation of the rezoning application intended to protect against this site becoming an operations yard/bus loop?
... the answer was revealed in yesterday's public rezoning hearing: most definitely, YES, Burnaby is trying to thwart TransLink.

The TransLink VP of Real Estate was absolutely grilled by Burnaby Council. They asked:
  • Why TransLink didn't purchase this property before the rezoning was initiated, when they had the opportunity to do so, since now TransLink is acquiring the property at a huge premium, at great cost to taxpayers (compared to when only low-density, heavy industrial uses were contemplated for the site). The VP didn't have much of an answer. Eventually, he stated that TransLink's needs changed since when the property was originally for sale by Terasen, yet apparently only after Bosa initiated the rezoning.
  • How much TransLink paid (considering TransLink is public), which the VP refused to answer. When council asked why not, he didn't seem to want to answer. When asked for the millionth time, way later on, he said something quite vague about protecting business interests. Uhm, what happened to the transparency of this real estate arm? I can't see how they're protecting business interests very much by not disclosing a sale price from almost half a year ago, in an area where I doubt they'd be looking to acquire more property. I doubt it's something that's worth jeopardizing public trust over.
  • Why TransLink didn't ask Burnaby, before purchasing the property, what uses they'd allow on it. The VP weaseled out of that one, saying he wasn't hired at the time.
  • What TransLink is planning for the nearby Kitchener street bus depot. The VP said he didn't know. Fine.
A very unimpressive first public showing for TransLink's real estate arm, I have to say.

Nevertheless, it wasn't all bad news. The VP appeared to sincerely want to cooperate with the City, to come to some solution that would meet both their needs, though I'm guessing it'll end up as more of a compromise. His plea to have the rezoning process stopped was ignored (Burnaby definitely wants to ensure better use out of this transit proximate, "gateway" property, as they called it). However, Burnaby offered that TransLink could initiate another rezoning process in parallel, after working together with the City.

Oh, by the way, the proposal for the NE corner of Willingdon and Kingsway is still 34 storeys (not less, as there was some conflicting information about that posted here before).
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Eventually, he stated that TransLink's needs changed since when the property was originally for sale by Terasen, yet apparently only after Bosa initiated the rezoning.
I don't know what the timing is, but my guess is that North Vancouver's rejection of a bus depot on the former BC Rail lands (now being redeveloped for a sewage treatment plant!) has put added pressure on the North Burnaby depot - thereby requiring expansion - at least until an expanded North Vancouver transit depot is built - if ever.

This blog alludes to it - "when the bus depot leaves the North Shore in 2012 to move to Burnaby..."

http://northvancouverpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/04/transit-taxes-no-help-to-north-shore.html

i.e. politically, Translink probably did not want to "blame" North Vancouver for rejecting the North Vancouver Transit Centre - for fear of retaliation from Burnaby leading to Burnaby's rejection of the Transit Centre aimed at serving the same purpose. Burnaby could well say, "NO" let North Vancouver bear the impact of its bus depot!

Anyways, isn't this site next to a massive transformer station?

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some pics by me may 28

silohuette rising - tower 1 shown - tower 2 is above ground now too



they are painting the walmart!

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Which is new? Biege or gray? The gray looks better!
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Anyways, isn't this site next to a massive transformer station?
That it is, but there was talk of screening it. More importantly, the site is just a block or so away from a SkyTrain station. This won't be a residential site, anyway, but let's hope it's better use of land than the new 1-storey Sleep Country right by Renfrew Station.

Interesting point on the North Van depot, although the TransLink Real Estate guy was talking about exactly the types of uses jlousa posted, and ensured it was clear TransLink didn't have a bus depot in mind. So, I'm not sure what the blogger is talking about.

I think, although Burnaby Council were well justified to pile up on the TransLink people, some of the fallout from this embarrassing real estate arm debut is that TransLink might become even more secretive about their wheelings and dealings, further jeopardizing public trust. Hope that's not the case though - I would really like to see TransLink succeed here. They just have to wake up to what would constitute the best use of their own properties, and not just think in terms of operations.

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Which is new? Biege or gray? The gray looks better!
the beige is the new - the grey is the old scheme

it definately looks more welcoming and warm with the new beige
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High-rise boom waiting on downtown planners
May 29, 2008


A glut of new high-rise developments could soon crowd the streets surrounding the Olympic oval once a citywide rezoning plan is finalized.

City hall spokesperson Cynthia Lockrey said all development applications are on hold while staff finalize the city centre area plan to determine zoning restrictions and density regulations.

Lockrey said once this plan is finalized she anticipates many applications will be submitted for the streets surrounding the oval.

One development which has already submitted an application for rezoning is the Onni Group of Companies. The company has plans for a 16-storey tower with 275 residential units in addition to both office and residential space. The development would be located at 6951 Elmbridge Way, just blocks from the company’s three-tower development at 7350 Elmbridge Way and across the street from the oval.

Onni development manager Mike Clark said it was only a matter of time before developers jumped on the properties. He said the land is some of the most desirable in the Lower Mainland.

“We’d be building all day long if we could,” Clark said.

The area’s largest development will come in the form of Aspac’s River Green project next to the oval—a multi-tower project pegged at $1 billion.

Another person who looks forward to the development of the area is Coun. Rob Howard.

“I personally think the oval serves as an anchor for the area,” said Howard. “But it’s important that we build complete communities in the area.”

Howard said that residential density is needed in neighbourhoods near Canada Line stations, including near the oval, but said amenities will also be required.

Howard said the city’s new plan will ensure this mix happens and will encourage developers to invest in projects.

“The city centre area plan will create some certainty in certain areas and developers like that certainty.”

The city centre area plan allows the city to deal with long-term growth through the re-evaluation of land use, zoning and density in Richmond. The new plan will change the requirements that restrict developers in both building height and locations.

The plan isn’t good news for longtime businesses in the oval area. Those business owners—most of whom are leaseholders—are facing sky-high property taxes as land speculators drive property values higher.

Council is expected to review the final draft of the plan later this year.








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Maybe there'll be a shift of functions / redevelopment at the old facility making the new project necessary? I'm not familiar with the location and facilities at the existing yard - but it seems to make sense that whatever the consequence, the triggering event / change was North Vancouver's rejection.

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..... is that TransLink might become even more secretive about their wheelings and dealings, further jeopardizing public trust.
Once the public (i.e. vendor) gets wind of a possible project - the price of the land jumps drastically. The recent "public announcement" of the real estate arm - which had been operating quietly for some time before (all organizations have a real estate department) - had exactly that result (to the detriment of taxpayers generally).
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Once the public (i.e. vendor) gets wind of a possible project - the price of the land jumps drastically. The recent "public announcement" of the real estate arm - which had been operating quietly for some time before (all organizations have a real estate department) - had exactly that result (to the detriment of taxpayers generally).
Understood. But as a public entity, they have to strike some kind of balance. I personally think not disclosing a 5-month old sale price is a little much, but who knows...
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Yeah, I'm just referring to circumstances before purchases.
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Can't remember if I already posted this or if this is a new one on Glen Dr.

Coquitlam, Greater Vancouver RD BC NEGOTIATED/PLANNING
Glen Dr Development, 2950 Glen Dr, Pacific St & Atlantic Ave
Start: 2009
Note: Currently in rezoning and in preliminary design. Working drawings and construction schedules are undefined. Further update in Fall/Winter 2008

Project: Proposed condo tower with 255 units, 37-stys & four levels u/g prkg; adjacent seven-sty office/retail bldg of approx 56,000 sq ft (1/2 is office space).
Scope: 296,000 square feet; 37 storeys; 4 storeys below grade; 2 structures; 255 units; 6,729 m²
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^ I love how a significant amount of new towers being built in the suburbs are well over 30 stories, especially Surrey and Coquitlam.
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Drove past the Versante project on Lansdowne Road across from the mall - the podium has some great looking glass. Vertical panes with various shades of blue coloured transparent glass - along with blue glass opaque spandrels.

Pics of the project at the developer's website (but not showing the glass):

http://www.toyu.ca/versante/constructions.php
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