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Old Posted May 19, 2008, 3:21 AM
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i like the the proposed height, that be very cool

but..that is one poorly designed structure, but instead of that giant stick on top corner they should put some more visual elements on the facade and such
It's been said before by the architect, but the details of the facade have not yet been designed - or at least completed and released.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2008, 3:45 PM
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I sure hope this gets built.
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Old Posted May 19, 2008, 5:00 PM
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I think a group should propose to get rid of those Commie buildings that completely ruin their respective blocks. Poorly designed, they have no interaction with the urban environment. Not to mention they look absolutely horrid.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2008, 5:36 PM
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I agree, but the people need to live somewhere. I think they should have torn down the building on JFK and expanded the ACC to include a new residential tower to replace it.

The claim that ACC is out of scale with the neighborhood is ridiculous, given that most the building is next to the central business district, not to mention Comcast Center right accross the street. And it's not going to harm the aesthetics of the rowhouses on Arch. There's already a car rental place that does that (and of course the towers that are making the complaints to begin with). The prudential Center in Boston is surounded by rowhouses and it works fine.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2008, 6:32 PM
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I agree, but the people need to live somewhere. I think they should have torn down the building on JFK and expanded the ACC to include a new residential tower to replace it.
Unfortunately creating new residences associated with the ACC would have increased properties values that the current residents could likely not afford. They wouldn't serve as relocation homes...new residents would be attracted to the ACC. I think those residences along JFK have to be demolished if the ACC site is going to be able to manage all of the new associated traffic it creates anyway. Those "commie blocks" are the ones that are completely out of scale with its neighbors. The mere presence of the ACC is going to blow surrounding property values through the roof, including the commie blocks anyway...no one will want to pay the increased rates there because of the building's age and appearance, and it'll likely be teared down once its current residents can no longer afford it. That's life in the big city. Mr. Silverman knows this, hence his stern and irrational tone.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2008, 7:05 AM
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Is Kennedy House condos and Sterling apartments?
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2008, 10:35 AM
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geez, this buildings not done yet?
     
     
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Old Posted May 21, 2008, 2:47 AM
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geez, this buildings not done yet?
I think you're looking for the comcast center thread....this is the american commerce center thread
     
     
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Old Posted May 27, 2008, 11:47 PM
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What hurdles does this project have in front of it before approvals??

What are some opinions for chances that this will get built?

75% chance to get built?

I know it has support of the mayer.
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 12:55 AM
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maybe you should read the 33 pages in this thread...you will find the answer to your questions magically addressed...


JOHN MAYER SUPPORTS THIS PROJECT?1?1?!?!?!? ZOMG!!
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 2:35 AM
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Bella- It comes down to whether Michael Nutter can woo TD Bank to locate their operations from Maine to Philadelphia. I also known that the developer is trying to get community support for the proposal and Mr. Clarke in City Council's support is most important since the propsed bulding will be in his district.

Ninja- no need to be a smarty pants here... Point of this is to encourage continuous discussion of this project..
     
     
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The longer this project delays, the more expensive it will cost to get built due to price increase of commodities such as steel and concrete and the drop of the dollar. I say the chances of this building betting built anytime soon is very grim and I HOPE AND WISH THAT I AM WRONG.
     
     
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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 4:15 AM
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The longer this project delays, the more expensive it will cost to get built due to price increase of commodities such as steel and concrete and the drop of the dollar. I say the chances of this building betting built anytime soon is very grim and I HOPE AND WISH THAT I AM WRONG.
Construction costs could potentially become a significant threat to ACC's viability, perhaps even greater than not securing a tenant, supplemental funding, rezoning, or garnering enough public support. Unlike the funding issue, the costs of creating and transporting building materials are directly related to the current state of the economy. At an initial proposal of $800 million (likely not including the cost of extending the Suburban Station concourse), imagine what steel that costs a third more is going to do to that figure when multiplied over 1,500 feet...and that's just steel. Again this is ONE article, and its scope of the problem is pretty meager, and perhaps a lead tenant, strong public and political support could help pick up the tab, but i'm not a developer so I don't know how these things work. Anyway, onto the article ...bucks native originally posted this article on 5/26/08 (#6612) in the Philadelphia Development Thread VII.


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From here: http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site...d=590572&rfi=8


“They hand you bids and say, ‘This is only good for 15 days.’ ”

Construction expenses are building like a skyscraper, piled higher by prices for raw materials and energy. The spiral is causing some developers to reconsider decisions or revise projects.

“Construction materials costs are likely to be up indefinitely,” said Kenneth Simonson, chief economist for the Associated General Contractors of America, a trade group based in Arlington, Va.

Material costs soar

Steel weighs heavily in the upswing. Prices for hot-rolled sheet steel have increased up to $300 a ton since December, to about $850.

“Structural steel is about a 35 percent increase, and our ornamental steel went up as high as 57 percent,” said Bob Glynn, sales manager at Scranton Craftsmen Inc., in Throop, which fabricates steel fencing, gates, rails and steps. “That is all over the last 60 to 90 days.”

Copper prices advanced close to $3.80 a pound last week, 70 percent higher than year-ago levels. Prices for aluminum, plastic pipe, concrete and plywood are soaring.

The run-ups are linked to increasing development in emerging counties, such as China. Higher materials prices worldwide and the dollar’s weakness, which spurs overseas demand for U.S. products, contribute to the upswing, along with climbing energy-related manufacturing and transportation costs.

Transportation’s role

“Diesel fuel is a big reason construction costs are going up sharply,” Mr. Simonson said. Local diesel prices have jumped 60 percent in the last year.

The momentum creates difficulties for contractors when they deliver cost estimates.

“They have no way of predicting what their materials costs will be, even a month down the road,” Mrs. Davis said. “It’s important to keep projects moving quickly to lock in the costs.”

Impact on plans

“Almost every two weeks, you’ve got to figure your costs. Every other week, they change product prices,” said Mr. Siniawa, who heads a Dickson City company that specializes in commercial development.

The momentum creates difficulties for contractors when they deliver cost estimates.

Construction costs are too volatile to determine the outcome.

“We can’t begin to build what we were going to do last year,” he said.

“Our construction costs are way up. They are up 30 percent” in the past year, said Mr. Zubert, president of C.F. Marts of Pennsylvania.

“How much rent are you going to charge (to cover costs)?” he wondered. “It makes no sense to build today, given these prices.”

The steady advance creates edgy suppliers and skittish developers.

“I have no idea what tomorrow is going to bring. It’s really deadening the industry,” said Mr. Glynn, of Scranton Craftsmen.

“We’ve got to stop and think, should I do this or can I do this?” Mr. Siniawa said. “I’d like to keep building, but we’re really cautious now.”

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It really 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that oil is driving this country into the ground right now. You can blame the government for not acting years ago on alternative fuels. Now we all pay the price.
     
     
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It really 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 that oil is driving this country into the ground right now. You can blame the government for not acting years ago on alternative fuels. Now we all pay the price.
Yea, don't even get me started...talk about putting all of your eggs in one basket. Not exactly "diversifying your portfolio".

BTW Ninja I thought the same thing when I read Bella's post...although I guess people don't always have time to sift through these pages. Unfortunately you can't search these boards for keywords...I mean when the Chicago Spire already has 400+ pages and they're still not even finished the foundation, it's pretty cumbersome/impossible to find the answers to your questions

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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 7:39 PM
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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 1:14 AM
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Ninja- no need to be a smarty pants here... Point of this is to encourage continuous discussion of this project..

Of course it is. But the thread does not need to be made redundant. There are only 33 pages...not a few hundred and the questions asked were basic ones that have been pretty much covered on almost all of those 33 pages.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 2:27 AM
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what relevance does your comment Ninja about John Mayer have to do with the American Commerce Center?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2008, 3:00 AM
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what relevance does your comment Ninja about John Mayer have to do with the American Commerce Center?
Jes44, I think Ninja was mocking a typo in bellabeagle's post. "mayer" instead of "mayor"
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