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stumbled across this pick of eations and noticed a forgoten building where the sane store was on the hydro site andy6 says its the steele block but can't find much els on it
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Was doing some thinking about the notion of the urban square and how we don't really have any important vibrant squares any longer. Market Square is a shadow of its former glory, the old Victoria Park is gone. Maybe the greatest hope for an urban square is Central Park. Photos below are from MHS.

Early photograph (1881) of the north side of Market Avenue, looking west from Main Street.



The north side of Market Avenue again, looking east towards Main Street from Princess



Victoria Park, a gathering place during the General Strike. Located at the end of James Street, near the Old Labour Temple and two blocks from City Hall.

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When life was a beach

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Updated: May 20 at 12:25 AM CDT | Winnipeg Free Press Commentary

For a couple of days, I've been running around looking for things that can't be seen. I wanted to explore the places where our parents and grandparents had fun -- Winnipeg's nightclubs, dance halls, vaudeville houses and the boardwalks of Winnipeg Beach and Grand Beach on Lake Winnipeg, about 80 kilometres north of the city.


Many of the hot spots have been torn down. All that's left are empty spaces, a few plaques and a lot of ghosts.

What got me going on this quixotic adventure was a new book by musician Owen Clark, Musical Ghosts, Manitoba's Jazz and Dance Bands 1914 to 1966 -- a compendium chockablock with facts and old photos.

Clark's book got me revved up because I've long had a theory that some people after the First World War had more fun -- at cheap prices -- than do many people today.

Downtown, for one thing, was crowded with people and colourful shops. Today, Fort Street south of Portage Avenue can be described as nondescript. In the days of the Charleston, the black bottom and the cakewalk, Clark says, Fort was Winnipeg's entertainment row with the Orpheum, (a major vaudeville house), the Victoria live theatre, the Coliseum, Alhambra and Old Fort dance halls, the Silver Slipper nightclub and a hotel.

But the beaches on Lake Winnipeg most clearly illustrate how far we haven't come.

In the good old days a businessperson could jump on a train after work, read the newspaper and, in less than an hour, be sitting on a wicker chair in a screened-in veranda, sipping a martini and savouring the lake breezes.

People didn't have to worry about uncertain lake levels or pollution.

Public transportation was efficient and cheap. One day in 1920, 13 trains brought 13,000 people to Winnipeg Beach, a record for the resort. The Winnipeg Beach run was the most profitable 80 kilometres of CPR tracks in Canada.

Sure, most people worked six days a week and many didn't make much money. But prices were low. At Winnipeg Beach's Empress hotel, which burned down in the 1930s, you could get a salmon sandwich for 10 cents and a sirloin steak for 50 cents in 1915. The four-storey hotel with big balconies boasted electric lights in every room, lawn bowling, tennis courts and a yacht for the use of guests.

And few teenagers whined about having nothing to do at the lake. Winnipeg Beach had a carousel, dodge 'em cars, Mrs. Swallow's Shetland pony rides, and concessions with features such as bows and arrows, air rifles, spicy movies and toy cranes that were supposed to dig up prizes. The 1919 roller-coaster was 300 feet high and had 12 death-defying dips. A ride cost a quarter; subsequent rides were 20 cents.

Or there was the joy of just strutting around on the boardwalk showing off your full beach regalia -- white belt and slacks and two-tone shoes.

Topping it all off were the dance halls at both beach resorts. The 1926 Winnipeg Beach hall had a clear, hardwood maple dance floor and, for a few seasons, Plant's orchestra was suspended above the dancers on a platform. Dances were held six nights a week. The Grand Beach pavilion was one of Canada's largest.

In the dirty '30s, says Clark, one dance cost a nickel or a "jit". After a jit dance, two men with a rope herded the dancers to an exit, while new dancers flooded in behind them.

The CPR's Sir William Whyte picked the site of Winnipeg Beach, the first of the big lake resorts, during a boat ride in 1900. In 1903, after 48 kilometres of track had been built through swamp and bush, the first 500 merrymakers surged into what became "the Coney Island of the north." Later, the CN developed Grand Beach across the lake. Its three-kilometre beach with white, soft sand and big dunes (a remnant of glacial Lake Agassiz) is one of North America's best.

Now the amusements at the beaches are gone. The beaches have become tidy provincial parks. The car, that symbol of individualism, helped kill the old amusement parks and rail lines, just as it did parts of Winnipeg's downtown.

The triumph of individualism means many people can go to their own cottage in their own car and sit alone on their own dock or watch satellite TV. Being part of a community, however, has its joys. There's nothing like a sunny boardwalk jumping with holidayers, the lake air mixed with the smell of spun sugar cones and greasy fries.

And wandering around a train filled with happy campers is a lot more fun than being imprisoned in the back seat of a car with a grumpy sister.


Tom Ford is managing editor of The Issues Network.
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nice find only.. they should get the prarie dog back on it feet and do daily runs to the beach maybe get a couple trains going now that would be cool...
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life was great back in the day... sigh*
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Here are some sample pages from Waghorn's Guide, which was the pocket guide to Winnipeg and Western Canada that emigrants would pick up on their arrival in town. My copy is the edition for May, 1910. It contained information about the prairies, listings of hotels, train schedules, advertisements of available farmland, locations of courthouses, banks, post offices, etc., names of lawyers, leading merchants, real estate agents, etc.

At the front is a listing of Winnipeg's hotels, with rates (gives an idea of what were the first-class establishments prior to the opening of the Royal Alex, Fort Garry or Marlborough):



The continuation of that page:



Populations of settlements and officials of the CPR (note William Whyte is VP):



Finally, there are pages and pages of train schedules. Here is the one for Winnipeg Beach:

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yeah adrian is right it would be great to see if the Prairie dog in doing such run. hmmmm. Actually do the train tracks still exist by Grand Beach?

I remember seeing pics of a wooden rollercoaster. Anyway I don't see why they don't have tour bus that stops by there, I am sure they can do something with that.

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When life was a beach

Tom Ford

Updated: May 20 at 12:25 AM CDT | Winnipeg Free Press Commentary

For a couple of days, I've been running around looking for things that can't be seen. I wanted to explore the places where our parents and grandparents had fun -- Winnipeg's nightclubs, dance halls, vaudeville houses and the boardwalks of Winnipeg Beach and Grand Beach on Lake Winnipeg, about 80 kilometres north of the city.


Many of the hot spots have been torn down. All that's left are empty spaces, a few plaques and a lot of ghosts.

What got me going on this quixotic adventure was a new book by musician Owen Clark, Musical Ghosts, Manitoba's Jazz and Dance Bands 1914 to 1966 -- a compendium chockablock with facts and old photos.

Clark's book got me revved up because I've long had a theory that some people after the First World War had more fun -- at cheap prices -- than do many people today.

Downtown, for one thing, was crowded with people and colourful shops. Today, Fort Street south of Portage Avenue can be described as nondescript. In the days of the Charleston, the black bottom and the cakewalk, Clark says, Fort was Winnipeg's entertainment row with the Orpheum, (a major vaudeville house), the Victoria live theatre, the Coliseum, Alhambra and Old Fort dance halls, the Silver Slipper nightclub and a hotel.

But the beaches on Lake Winnipeg most clearly illustrate how far we haven't come.

In the good old days a businessperson could jump on a train after work, read the newspaper and, in less than an hour, be sitting on a wicker chair in a screened-in veranda, sipping a martini and savouring the lake breezes.

People didn't have to worry about uncertain lake levels or pollution.

Public transportation was efficient and cheap. One day in 1920, 13 trains brought 13,000 people to Winnipeg Beach, a record for the resort. The Winnipeg Beach run was the most profitable 80 kilometres of CPR tracks in Canada.

Sure, most people worked six days a week and many didn't make much money. But prices were low. At Winnipeg Beach's Empress hotel, which burned down in the 1930s, you could get a salmon sandwich for 10 cents and a sirloin steak for 50 cents in 1915. The four-storey hotel with big balconies boasted electric lights in every room, lawn bowling, tennis courts and a yacht for the use of guests.

And few teenagers whined about having nothing to do at the lake. Winnipeg Beach had a carousel, dodge 'em cars, Mrs. Swallow's Shetland pony rides, and concessions with features such as bows and arrows, air rifles, spicy movies and toy cranes that were supposed to dig up prizes. The 1919 roller-coaster was 300 feet high and had 12 death-defying dips. A ride cost a quarter; subsequent rides were 20 cents.

Or there was the joy of just strutting around on the boardwalk showing off your full beach regalia -- white belt and slacks and two-tone shoes.

Topping it all off were the dance halls at both beach resorts. The 1926 Winnipeg Beach hall had a clear, hardwood maple dance floor and, for a few seasons, Plant's orchestra was suspended above the dancers on a platform. Dances were held six nights a week. The Grand Beach pavilion was one of Canada's largest.

In the dirty '30s, says Clark, one dance cost a nickel or a "jit". After a jit dance, two men with a rope herded the dancers to an exit, while new dancers flooded in behind them.

The CPR's Sir William Whyte picked the site of Winnipeg Beach, the first of the big lake resorts, during a boat ride in 1900. In 1903, after 48 kilometres of track had been built through swamp and bush, the first 500 merrymakers surged into what became "the Coney Island of the north." Later, the CN developed Grand Beach across the lake. Its three-kilometre beach with white, soft sand and big dunes (a remnant of glacial Lake Agassiz) is one of North America's best.

Now the amusements at the beaches are gone. The beaches have become tidy provincial parks. The car, that symbol of individualism, helped kill the old amusement parks and rail lines, just as it did parts of Winnipeg's downtown.

The triumph of individualism means many people can go to their own cottage in their own car and sit alone on their own dock or watch satellite TV. Being part of a community, however, has its joys. There's nothing like a sunny boardwalk jumping with holidayers, the lake air mixed with the smell of spun sugar cones and greasy fries.

And wandering around a train filled with happy campers is a lot more fun than being imprisoned in the back seat of a car with a grumpy sister.


Tom Ford is managing editor of The Issues Network.
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In the good old days a businessperson could jump on a train after work, read the newspaper and, in less than an hour, be sitting on a wicker chair in a screened-in veranda, sipping a martini and savouring the lake breezes.
Sounds very cosmopolitan.

People sure knew how to live back then.
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Sounds very cosmopolitan.

People sure knew how to live back then.
But i am sure hygiene wasn't a factor. lmao
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Historic Carriage House

The City is asking the owner of this 100+ year old historically listed carriage house at 43 Boyle (South Point Douglas) to either demolish it or get a structural engineer to come up with the repairs required so that it doesn't fall down.

The owner appealed, but was denied. The owner's letter was quite touching, it sounds like they have done all they can to fix it up, but are in over their heads financially.

There is speculation it might be one of the last carriage houses left on the banks of the Red River.

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The City is asking the owner of this 100+ year old historically listed carriage house at 43 Boyle (South Point Douglas) to either demolish it or get a structural engineer to come up with the repairs required so that it doesn't fall down.
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Done. New Roof, new walls, new foundation and new siding. Inspect and replace all damaged floor joists and replace as required.

Once the are done "fixing" that place up, the only original thing left might be the windows, provided they can get them re-glazed...
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they sure picked the worst posible photo of it.... and the city sure is slowly demolishing that street.....
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Good on the City for getting after the crooks at 138 Lorne. I can think of far worse offenders of local by-laws than 43 Boyle St., though. Maybe the City of Winnipeg should send repair orders to the owner of 99 Euclid...


Up to $4 to stay at the Mariaggi. Fancy. I read somewhere recently that that was the prefered hangout among the city's theatre/arts crowd a century ago, because it was the most sophisticated Europeanesque of all Winnipeg's establishments.
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When life was a beach

Tom Ford

Updated: May 20 at 12:25 AM CDT | Winnipeg Free Press Commentary

For a couple of days, I've been running around looking for things that can't be seen. I wanted to explore the places where our parents and grandparents had fun -- Winnipeg's nightclubs, dance halls, vaudeville houses and the boardwalks of Winnipeg Beach and Grand Beach on Lake Winnipeg, about 80 kilometres north of the city.
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Great write-up. I've always wondered too why this can't happen again for Winnipeg Beach.

Not sure the "300 feet" height for the original roller coaster are right, but the New Dips in the 60's did look big for the day. My grandma talked about taking the train all the time...would've been neat to see.
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they sure picked the worst posible photo of it.... and the city sure is slowly demolishing that street.....
Oh i know.. When it came to getting rid of houses i guess they have a waiting period i believe to demolish them. Seriously though they could just plow those houses they are infested with mice and everything else not to mentione kids playing around them... oh yeah reeaaal safe.
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My grandma talked about taking the train all the time...would've been neat to see.
Ditto with my Grandmother as well.
She also told us about the "no Jews allowed" signs that were around Grand Beach at the time.

I guess that kind of reminiscing doesn't sound so good in editorials...
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^Interesting...didn't know about that. Some details are better left out :-)
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^ true. But is always good to know or remember that not everything was so magical back then...
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i beleave this silo is still in use
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^^^ Is that the one out past the West End, maybe off Notre Dame or Dublin or Midland or ...
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