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Kamatzu · #**2761** Posted **May 5, 2008, 10:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by aaron38

There's no adjoining plaza you can view the ESB or Chrysler building from, and there's no need for one.
You view them from the sidewalk, because that's what a city is. Buildings sit on streets so that people can easily get to them.

I would find it odd to dedicate a plaza to one building like the ESB or Chrysler. I just find it absolutely suitable for a large complex like the World Trade Center. You are right, though, that buildings are made to be as accessible as possible.

I just hope you can look up from the base of the new WTC without worrying about sidewalk traffic and the cars a few feet behind you.

NoSmallPlanner · #**2762** Posted **May 6, 2008, 5:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by bryson662001

Now that they are gone, and largely because of how they went, many people idolize them and pine over their loss. At the time they were built they were considered banal and mediocre at best, the ultimate warehouses for office workers set on an empty, windswept "plaza" that served no purpose. Paul Goldberger called them "not worthy of a bank headquarters in Omaha".

The Towers were never considered beautiful - to me they reminded me of the Aon Center (still 'Big Stan' to me!) in Chicago. While it does soar, the Aon isn't distinguished like the Spire will be and even the Trump is more of a statement. The AON is just .... tall. It's not bad, it's not Torre Velasco wierd, but it, like the Twin Towers, just didn't click. A plaza with people space is great in any crowded urban city - Chicago needs it desperately in many sections of the Loop - but it doesn't make a mundane design great by itself.

Give me a great design and no plaza space over so-so with a plaza. Then again, I'm not living or working there either so I guess that must be given to those tragic towers. 'Viewing from afar' is my vantage point and possibly my prejuidice - but I look forward to the new tower(s), regardless of the crowding.

As stated above - the horrible end of the buildings (and more so, those who worked in them) colors our memories somewhat. The new tower(s) are better designs as buildings, but yes, it does seem a bit cramped with the four buildings. Again, here Calatrava and the CS did things right in almost all aspects. A surprisingly small footprint with much greenery and a park on a gorgeous riverside/lakeside location. The natural shape of the Spire surrounded by blue and green - that's pretty cool.

Please don't take this as a pro-Chicago, anti-NYC rant because it isn't - I still think the Chrysler Building is sheer majesty and my favorite building in Chicago for many, many years is the Kohn Pedersen Fox (NYC architects no less) 333 Wacker Drive building.

- NSP

Tom In Chicago · #**2763** Posted **May 6, 2008, 3:12 PM**

Let's get this thread back on topic please. . .

buildup · #**2764** Posted **May 6, 2008, 10:51 PM**

I haven't been paying much attention here for a while. It's been so long and nothing is out of the ground. When is the tower supposed to begin rising above the ground? Is it still on schedule?

Kamatzu · #**2765** Posted **May 6, 2008, 10:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by buildup

I haven't been paying much attention here for a while. It's been so long and nothing is out of the ground. When is the tower supposed to begin rising above the ground? Is it still on schedule?

It's supposedly on track to rise above the ground sometime late spring/early summer. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Dac150 · #**2766** Posted **May 6, 2008, 10:54 PM**

^^^Yes it's still on track as of now. From my understanding we should see steel rising in a matter of months (late summer/ early fall).

37TimPPG · #**2767** Posted **May 7, 2008, 4:16 PM**

Which is it? Late spring/early summer? or Late summer/early fall?

I thought there was a post a while back that stated the FT would rise above street level by "the beginning of April?"

They certainly are taking their time!

Realthang · #**2768** Posted **May 7, 2008, 4:25 PM**

The PA said it would be in the 2nd quarter (April - June). The last article I saw when the Pope was at GZ said that the PA expects to see steel rising above street level in September.

timba86 · #**2769** Posted **May 7, 2008, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dac150

^^^Yes it's still on track as of now. From my understanding we should see steel rising in a matter of months (late summer/ early fall).

How many towers in total is the project going to be? Because everyone's always talking about the main tower (the highest). But what about the smaller ones?

And how are they going to use the space? What's coming where?

STERNyc · #**2770** Posted **May 7, 2008, 6:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Realthang

The PA said it would be in the 2nd quarter (April - June). The last article I saw when the Pope was at GZ said that the PA expects to see steel rising above street level in September.

From what I've heard September is a more realistic date.

sammyg · #**2771** Posted **May 8, 2008, 4:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Realthang

The PA said it would be in the 2nd quarter (April - June). The last article I saw when the Pope was at GZ said that the PA expects to see steel rising above street level in September.

Yes, but what about the core? That might be up by July.

#**2772** Posted **May 8, 2008, 10:06 AM**

I've not beeing seeing this thread for months. Has finally started the construction this lazy building to rise? Can someone advice me when the rise would begin?...

37TimPPG · #**2773** Posted **May 8, 2008, 1:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by MKmillenium

I've not beeing seeing this thread for months. Has finally started the construction this lazy building to rise? Can someone advice me when the rise would begin?...

There are many opinions about when this thing is supposed to rise (or even IF the construction is on schedule):

late spring/early summer?
late summer/early fall?
sometime in July?
September?

The most likely scenario (in my opinion):

It'll pop over street level when it pops over street level!

philvia · #**2774** Posted **May 8, 2008, 6:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by timba86

How many towers in total is the project going to be? Because everyone's always talking about the main tower (the highest). But what about the smaller ones?

And how are they going to use the space? What's coming where?

everything you asked could be answered by looking at a rendering...

Puzzlecraft · #**2775** Posted **May 9, 2008, 5:33 AM**

The core structure advanced quite a bit the past two days, almost ground level now. Picture on left early Wednesday May 7, 2008, picture on right the next afternoon. Derived from http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/