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Old Posted May 3, 2008, 11:34 AM
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Probably why you don't see too many 'wooden' structures being built anymore...
     
     
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The sidewalk in front of Hanover looks more inviting because the ceiling for the ground floor is much higher and the face of the building is flush with the sidewalk. This creates a more open, inviting feel with large windows giving you a better view inside the space.

The LA live ceilings are much lower, and set back behind columns, so there's an overhang that creates shadows. This creates a darker, lower and partly obscured view into the space, which makes it seem less inviting. Couple that with the industrial feel of the metal facade panels, and you have a "colder" feel.

However, once this space opens and there is visible activity inside, it won't feel as cold and dead. But it probably won't ever be as inviting as the Hanover or Luma or Elleven sidewalks.
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Old Posted May 4, 2008, 2:29 AM
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CIVIC PARK MEETING HELD

May 2, 2008

A public outreach meeting was held on April 22, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. in the Grand Hall of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. The Civic Park, an approximately 16-acre site at the heart of downtown Los Angeles' civic and cultural center, will remake an existing public space into a spectacular community gathering place that provides an iconic centerpiece for Downtown Los Angeles. The Civic Park Master Plan strategy and design have been carefully cultivated by extensive outreach and dialogue with public stakeholders, elected officials and cultural partners. A place for all Angelenos, Civic Park will be a memorable destination for generations to come.

Designed by Rios Clementi Hale Studios at the direction of the Grand Avenue Authority, the Master Plan is conceived to offer the greatest public benefit in the shortest amount of time by using resources efficiently and providing for building in phases. Further, the initial base plan has been deliberately crafted to accommodate a potential enhanced plan with additional features when more funding is available.

The park's flexible design provides for the many facets of urban life, from passive to programmed, personal to public, picnics to parties. The Civic Park responds to its surrounding context, welcomes to diverse neighborhoods unique to L.A., and incorporates the latest technologies and sustainable techniques, while at the same time is sensitive to the site's rich history.

The park provides places for children and families, youth and school groups, couples and the elderly, downtown dwellers, daily commuters and cultural tourists from near and far. Its central location makes it easily accessible by local and regional mass transit and is convenient to existing cultural and civic places of interest in Downtown Los Angeles.

Park amenities will include improved pedestrian access, public restrooms, security lighting, electrical, data, event infrastructure, hardscape and landscape renovation, and multilingual directional signage.

Funding:

The $56 million Base Park budget is funded by the pre-paid ground rent paid by the Related Companies to the Grand Avenue Authority. The Enhanced Park will be implemented in phases as funding is secured by the Grand Avenue Authority from various sources including public funds, private donations and corporate sponsorships

Features and Design Strategy of the Base Park:

The existing 4-block site, bounded by Grand, Spring, Temple and First streets, is divided by three city streets and challenging topography - in some places 18 and 20 feet grade changes between blocks. To create a connected, unified and effortlessly navigated park, the Plan employs several key design strategies:

1. Tie it Together: Sun & Shade Gardens: A series of Sun Gardens connect the length of the northern boundary of the park, while the southern boundary is tied together with Shade Gardens, allowing diverse microclimates for all guests to enjoy.

2. Increase Pedestrian Access: Vehicular ramps will be removed from the pedestrian realm, creating a more generous, universally accessible entry points to the park, offering a softer, greener street edge that is welcoming to park goers and passers-by.

3. Soften Grade Changes: Using the site’s grade changes as an asset, the plan envisions generous amphitheater steps and planted terracing at Grand and at Broadway, providing integrated accessible pedestrian ramps and creating inhabitable vertical space that can serve as seating for events, dining al fresco or people watching.

4. Sustainable Leader: The plan calls for the park to serve as a demonstration site for sustainability. The park will employ sustainable strategies such as preserving existing specimen trees, relocating other healthy trees, establishing a native plant palette and botanical garden, and providing an educational outreach program.

Key features of the Base Park include:

1. Fountain Plaza: The popular, yet currently hidden, 60s-era Arthur J. Will Memorial Fountain will be renovated to become a focal point of Civic Park. Remaining sensitive to the iconic fountain’s historic significance, the fountain will be rehabilitated and reenergized to create an interactive gathering place.

2. Event Lawns & Market Place: Civic Park spaces are designed to provide an open framework allowing for diverse activities such as regular farmer’s markets and cultural festivals, gatherings for groups of 500 for small performances to larger assemblies of 20,000 or more for film and music festivals, yet also allowing for the quiet enjoyment of picnicking and reading.

3. Public Art: The Base Park identifies several prominent locations for future installation of iconic works of publicly-engaging outdoor sculpture. The plan’s ambitious public art program also contemplates artist workshop programming and outreach, curated seasonal installations and signature objet gardens.



Features of the Enhanced Park:

As additional funding is secured by the JPA, the park will be enhanced in a thoughtful, envisioned manner. Guided by the Master Plan, the enhancements may involve a competition for the design of additional architectural elements, such as the pavilion and bridge suggested in the master plan, and commissions for iconic works of art. Key features of the Enhanced Park include:

1. Event Pavilion: At the center of the park, a new open-air event pavilion will be a draw for visitors at all times of the day and serve as a host to civic parties, cultural festivals, and sponsored events.

2. Pedestrian Bridge: At Broadway, where the grade change is 20 feet, the Enhanced Plan calls for a pedestrian bridge spanning the street to unify the pedestrian experience of the park, provide a lookout viewing platform, and create a gateway marker over the street.

3. Beautified Streetscape: Integrating the park with the streets that cut through it, the Enhanced Park Plan proposes distinctive street pavings to define a broader pedestrian realm and calm traffic.

4. Public Art: The Enhanced Park Plan will realize the interactive outdoor sculptural pieces planned for in the Base Park. It will also build upon the series of cultural objet gardens of the Base Park.

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3. Beautified Streetscape: Integrating the park with the streets that cut through it, the Enhanced Park Plan proposes distinctive street pavings to define a broader pedestrian realm and calm traffic.
to repeat what i said int he other thread:

I don't see how this is gonna happen or work. its going to be a problem as long as those streets are allowed to cut through the "park." I don't think traffic is such a concern at this point. I would rather have those streets eliminated and have continuous green space from grand to broadway
     
     
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to repeat what i said int he other thread:

I don't see how this is gonna happen or work. its going to be a problem as long as those streets are allowed to cut through the "park." I don't think traffic is such a concern at this point. I would rather have those streets eliminated and have continuous green space from grand to broadway
Agree 100%. If they can have streets that end for Central Park in Manhattan, they sure as hell can have streets that end for this park in DTLA.
     
     
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Old Posted May 4, 2008, 6:17 AM
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CIVIC PARK MEETING HELD

May 2, 2008

A public outreach meeting was held on April 22, 2008 at 6:00 p.m. in the Grand Hall of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. The Civic Park, an approximately 16-acre site at the heart of downtown Los Angeles' civic and cultural center, will remake an existing public space into a spectacular community gathering place that provides an iconic centerpiece for Downtown Los Angeles. The Civic Park Master Plan strategy and design have been carefully cultivated by extensive outreach and dialogue with public stakeholders, elected officials and cultural partners. A place for all Angelenos, Civic Park will be a memorable destination for generations to come.

Designed by Rios Clementi Hale Studios at the direction of the Grand Avenue Authority, the Master Plan is conceived to offer the greatest public benefit in the shortest amount of time by using resources efficiently and providing for building in phases. Further, the initial base plan has been deliberately crafted to accommodate a potential enhanced plan with additional features when more funding is available.

The park's flexible design provides for the many facets of urban life, from passive to programmed, personal to public, picnics to parties. The Civic Park responds to its surrounding context, welcomes to diverse neighborhoods unique to L.A., and incorporates the latest technologies and sustainable techniques, while at the same time is sensitive to the site's rich history.

The park provides places for children and families, youth and school groups, couples and the elderly, downtown dwellers, daily commuters and cultural tourists from near and far. Its central location makes it easily accessible by local and regional mass transit and is convenient to existing cultural and civic places of interest in Downtown Los Angeles.

Park amenities will include improved pedestrian access, public restrooms, security lighting, electrical, data, event infrastructure, hardscape and landscape renovation, and multilingual directional signage.

Funding:

The $56 million Base Park budget is funded by the pre-paid ground rent paid by the Related Companies to the Grand Avenue Authority. The Enhanced Park will be implemented in phases as funding is secured by the Grand Avenue Authority from various sources including public funds, private donations and corporate sponsorships

Features and Design Strategy of the Base Park:

The existing 4-block site, bounded by Grand, Spring, Temple and First streets, is divided by three city streets and challenging topography - in some places 18 and 20 feet grade changes between blocks. To create a connected, unified and effortlessly navigated park, the Plan employs several key design strategies:

1. Tie it Together: Sun & Shade Gardens: A series of Sun Gardens connect the length of the northern boundary of the park, while the southern boundary is tied together with Shade Gardens, allowing diverse microclimates for all guests to enjoy.

2. Increase Pedestrian Access: Vehicular ramps will be removed from the pedestrian realm, creating a more generous, universally accessible entry points to the park, offering a softer, greener street edge that is welcoming to park goers and passers-by.

3. Soften Grade Changes: Using the site’s grade changes as an asset, the plan envisions generous amphitheater steps and planted terracing at Grand and at Broadway, providing integrated accessible pedestrian ramps and creating inhabitable vertical space that can serve as seating for events, dining al fresco or people watching.

4. Sustainable Leader: The plan calls for the park to serve as a demonstration site for sustainability. The park will employ sustainable strategies such as preserving existing specimen trees, relocating other healthy trees, establishing a native plant palette and botanical garden, and providing an educational outreach program.

Key features of the Base Park include:

1. Fountain Plaza: The popular, yet currently hidden, 60s-era Arthur J. Will Memorial Fountain will be renovated to become a focal point of Civic Park. Remaining sensitive to the iconic fountain’s historic significance, the fountain will be rehabilitated and reenergized to create an interactive gathering place.

2. Event Lawns & Market Place: Civic Park spaces are designed to provide an open framework allowing for diverse activities such as regular farmer’s markets and cultural festivals, gatherings for groups of 500 for small performances to larger assemblies of 20,000 or more for film and music festivals, yet also allowing for the quiet enjoyment of picnicking and reading.

3. Public Art: The Base Park identifies several prominent locations for future installation of iconic works of publicly-engaging outdoor sculpture. The plan’s ambitious public art program also contemplates artist workshop programming and outreach, curated seasonal installations and signature objet gardens.



Features of the Enhanced Park:

As additional funding is secured by the JPA, the park will be enhanced in a thoughtful, envisioned manner. Guided by the Master Plan, the enhancements may involve a competition for the design of additional architectural elements, such as the pavilion and bridge suggested in the master plan, and commissions for iconic works of art. Key features of the Enhanced Park include:

1. Event Pavilion: At the center of the park, a new open-air event pavilion will be a draw for visitors at all times of the day and serve as a host to civic parties, cultural festivals, and sponsored events.

2. Pedestrian Bridge: At Broadway, where the grade change is 20 feet, the Enhanced Plan calls for a pedestrian bridge spanning the street to unify the pedestrian experience of the park, provide a lookout viewing platform, and create a gateway marker over the street.

3. Beautified Streetscape: Integrating the park with the streets that cut through it, the Enhanced Park Plan proposes distinctive street pavings to define a broader pedestrian realm and calm traffic.

4. Public Art: The Enhanced Park Plan will realize the interactive outdoor sculptural pieces planned for in the Base Park. It will also build upon the series of cultural objet gardens of the Base Park.

In the interest of money, the only real enhancement necesary is to beautify the streetscape. The other stuff is great, but just adding more cost unnecessarily. As others have said, the best way to integrate the streets is to simply stop them from going through the park. You could have one go under the park, but that is going to cost huge $$$

The event pavilion would be great if money permits.
     
     
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Old Posted May 4, 2008, 9:28 AM
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Agree 100%. If they can have streets that end for Central Park in Manhattan, they sure as hell can have streets that end for this park in DTLA.
You should know, that a number of more major cross-streets DO pass through Central Park, but they are sunken beneath ground level and do not disrupt the experience of the park.

See, there are ways around streets.
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I think it may make sense to shut down Broadway in general, al a Third Street Promenade.
     
     
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^ I hate that idea. I think traffic going down it gives some of its character.
     
     
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You should know, that a number of more major cross-streets DO pass through Central Park, but they are sunken beneath ground level and do not disrupt the experience of the park.

See, there are ways around streets.
Yes streets do cross Central Park but they are several blocks or more apart. The park is so huge that this is not a problem. The Grand Ave park is only 3 blocks so any kind of street that divides the park is going to be very noticeable. I also don't like the idea of having the streets go underground. These major grade separations might disrupt the pedestrian flow and of course it is very costly. Also I agree with DJM about Broadway. I don't want to turn that street into a downtown version of 3rd St Promenade, a street thats basically been turned into an insular outdoor shopping mall.
     
     
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You should know, that a number of more major cross-streets DO pass through Central Park, but they are sunken beneath ground level and do not disrupt the experience of the park.

See, there are ways around streets.
ala my previous suggestion. I think this is the best, albeit most expensive solution.

How about under-grounding Grand and Broadway since they are somewhat more significant thoroughfares , and dead-ending Hill and Spring Streets since they are, perhaps, somewhat less significant? I think this is a great compromise between cost and traffic flow.
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Steve Lopez opinion piece in the L.A. Times:


The design of L.A. Unified's new arts high school is convoluted and costly

The design of L.A. Unified's new arts high school is convoluted and costly.
May 4, 2008

"What is it?" Kelly Charles asked as he walked to his job as a custodian in downtown Los Angeles and gazed up at a rather odd construction project. "A roller coaster?"

As I wandered the neighborhood, other guesses were:

A ski jump.

A toboggan run.

A water slide.

What's got everyone talking is the odd-looking tower that rises 140 feet above the 101 Freeway, directly across from the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels. The futuristic metallic edifice, with a wraparound spiral Dr. Seuss would love, is not part of a theme park. It is the signature adornment on a new arts-oriented public high school that will cost roughly $230 million.

Rest of story here.
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Photo Update - May 4, 2008

vodila did a great job on LA Live earlier this week, so I thought I'd grab some pics of the other projects. I also posted some retail updates in the Southern California Retail thread here.

717 Ninth

I count 23 floors, so still 12 more to go.



A couple shots of the glass on the alley side...





Concerto

10 floors up, 17 to go.



Looking down 9th.



The mid-rise on Flower is starting to take shape.



This view will be drastically different in about 12 months.



Evo





Cladding starting to appear on the crown.



The park area between Elleven and Evo.



LAPD HQ



A preview of the other style of glass, which will cover the rest of the unclad surface of the building, according to the renders. It looks very green and very transparent in person. Though it's hard to tell it's reflectivity because this area doesn't really get sky reflection.



Not sure if this opaque glass is just for the ground floor, or if it's going to go all the way up like this.



Motor Pool. Digging looks done.



Medallion

If you look up "slow" on Wikipedia, there's just a picture of this construction crew.

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Like I said before at SSC: These are the very same trees that will be uprooted and set on fire when the LAKERS win their next championship. We must keep these saplings in plain view for easy removal. Come on! How else are we gonna show the world our bonfire making capabilities?
Yeah; it was kinda funny watching people mess up that limo at night back in 2000 when they took down Indiana.
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You should know, that a number of more major cross-streets DO pass through Central Park, but they are sunken beneath ground level and do not disrupt the experience of the park.

See, there are ways around streets.
LOL, I noticed that in the Spider-Man 3 and in a couple of the Grand Theft Auto games.
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Top tier update monkee. Did you happen to go by the 755 site?
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No, I've been pretty hung over all day, and I really didn't feel like heading up that way. It's a miracle I made it out to do an update at all.
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No, I've been pretty hung over all day, and I really didn't feel like heading up that way. It's a miracle I made it out to do an update at all.
It was great, though!
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great job once again! medallion is a joke,
     
     
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I personally love the design of the LAUSD Arts school. From what I heard the big weird tower is not being all payed for by taxes..
     
     
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