Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[delts145]

It's only a matter of a short while. As soon as the market and credit situation stabalizes, the already big boom of construction underway downtown will just get bigger. Our emerging large metro has a lot of great years ahead of it.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by Cottonwood

Back to the whole boulevard discussion------it was going fine, nothing nasty-until a certain forumer piped in and then the discussion went to hell.
The nastiness started when that ONE utah forumer decided to join in.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I wish you would not try to put blame on any one member of the forum. Everyone here is a part of this online community and should feel welcome, not alienated.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by NYC Rick

This is definitely an appropriate analogy. As far as the city goes.

What really makes Salt Lake City a viable Denver analogy is the fact that both have Consolidated Metro Areas that are both basically larger than the core and are both virtually the vast majority of their state's populace.

The CMSA for SLC (the Wasatch Front) is between 2.2 to 2.25 million and growing. Denver is getting closer to 4 million. No matter how you cut it, 2 to 4 million people is a large group of people. The Wasatch Front, even if you exclude Logan and Tooele (only because they add massive amounts of sq miles and very little population for the size of the area) is still close to 2.2 million...and if you consider the populace is about 70 miles long (Ogden to Provo) and really only about 8 miles wide minus the western part of the SLC valley, then there is a contiguous density that exists between 800 to 900 square miles of inhabited land that actively interacts.

I like Boise but it is not metro SLC by the broadest wannabe definition.

Denver has been a plus 1 million people metro since the 50's or 60's. Metro SLC has been one since the 80's. Boise is not one yet. What else can you say.

In New York City, where I live, everything is considered metro NYC. Southern Connecticut, Eastern NJ and down toward Philly. Sounds weird but it is total interaction and one total mass of populace. Over 21,000,000. It does not feel that way but it really is huge. I love it but I know many could not care if it even exists. It may be far bigger than anything in our country but the interaction that makes it this way is no different than the CMSA's of Salt Lake City or Denver or any contiguous urban area.

Hey Rick, just a quick question about Denver, Of course, first I must always say that Denver is one of my top five picks of places to live... According to Denver Forumers the larger definition of Denver's interconnected city populations would be 2.9 million. Where would the 4 million be coming from? Is that including Colorado Springs or some others?

[Cottonwood]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I wish you would not try to put blame on any one member of the forum. Everyone here is a part of this online community and should feel welcome, not alienated.

Exactly!!!!
"not feel alientated" which is what a few forumers are trying to accomplish. Read back through the posts on the previous page as it is obvious who is trying to do the alienating and banishing!

[Makid]

As a member from Salt Lake, I personally welcome the opinions of those forumers from outside of the Salt Lake area. Sometimes those of us on the inside can only see things from 1 perspective. It can take another viewpoint from someone outside of the area to show us what we may be missing.

[utenation]

Originally Posted by Makid

As a member from Salt Lake, I personally welcome the opinions of those forumers from outside of the Salt Lake area. Sometimes those of us on the inside can only see things from 1 perspective. It can take another viewpoint from someone outside of the area to show us what we may be missing.

I originally thought the same thing when I first saw this board.. I like outside opinions..

It's also clear which outsiders are here with an agenda to compare and run smear campaigns..

Take NYC Rick for example, he's here to discuss development and offer an outside opinion with experience and history. I think we can learn from his experiences.. There are many more..

But how many times do we need to listen to some idiots bash our fine city over and over with nothing useful or new to add without saying something?

I think the difference between another perspective and smear/compare campaign is very clear..

[T-Mac]

I think that we all need a tougher skin and remember that most people are really not trying to slam others or our cities but in trying to type, emotions are taken out of the equation. I think we interpret things in ways that they are not really intended because we can't tell what someone's emotion or intonation is when they type. I, personally appreciate others viewpoints. We are way to quick to get pissed over the smallest things. We went from Boulevards to an all out brawl. What the hell is that. We are all pretty pathetic. Let's move on.

[goldcntry]

Originally Posted by Makid

As a member from Salt Lake, I personally welcome the opinions of those forumers from outside of the Salt Lake area. Sometimes those of us on the inside can only see things from 1 perspective. It can take another viewpoint from someone outside of the area to show us what we may be missing.

There are also forumers such as myself who hope to move to SLC sooner-than-later who monitor these threads to gage the climate — at least as far as fellow-development/architect geeks are concerned. You can gain a LOT of insight as to the government, local concerns, etc by watching here (dare I say "Skybridge?"). On the other hand, I wouldn't dream of coming in here and dissing SLC and proclaiming the glory of Sacramento *cough*orBoise*cough* ... that's just rude. A minor comparison? maybe, but not an all out attack. So here's to inclusiveness! At least here in the forum.

[utenation]

Originally Posted by T-Mac

I think that we all need a tougher skin and remember that most people are really not trying to slam others or our cities but in trying to type, emotions are taken out of the equation. I think we interpret things in ways that they are not really intended because we can't tell what someone's emotion or intonation is when they type. I, personally appreciate others viewpoints. We are way to quick to get pissed over the smallest things. We went from Boulevards to an all out brawl. What the hell is that. We are all pretty pathetic. Let's move on.

I'll have to disagree on certain folks not trying to slam others or cities..

Anyways... I'm ready for some more photos..

[T-Mac]

Sounds good to me. Photos can bring us all together.

[Makid]

I personally feel that if you don't like their opinion, just state "Thanks for your opinion." Why the need to bash another person for their thoughts on a city?

Not everyone will like each city. This is what makes their opinions valid. We need to remember that each person sees through rose tinted glasses.

If we were to look at all the points made in the negative and then the positive, we are probably looking at the middle ground and this is what each side was trying to state but the glasses get in the way.

At times, people may not word things the right way or it is taken the wrong way. This is the problem with the written word. If we took everything written as an offence against us, nothing would ever get accomplished.

I personally don't take any possible bashing against me nor does it change how I feel about the city where I live. At times, it helps me to see something that I may have missed or lets me see it from another side.

My wife was in Calgary when I met her. She can't believe how small our skyline is for the population. She doesn't see Salt Lake the same way I do. This is what makes the world great. No 2 people will have the same opinion as each will see the world slightly differently.

So let everyone have their opinion. If you don't like it, you don't need to respond or claim they are bashing. Accept it for what it is, an opinion.

Now, can we get back to development talk?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Everyone here is a part of this online community and should feel welcome, not alienated.

Funny you say that since you make me feel alienated sometimes.

[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Funny you say that since you make me feel alienated sometimes.

Sorry Projects, I don't mean to. I'll be more considerate.

[utenation]

One of my favorite SLC pics...

Photo credit: KSL

[urbanboy]

I like that pic to. There is another picture from that angle that, although it has been doctored a little, is one of my favorites. It shows the mountains, fireworks, and the Olympic rings. I still wish CCR (City Creek Reserve) and Taubman would have decided to leave the Inn at Temple Square in favor of demolishing the Plaza for Tower 1, and using the Inn as student dorms for BYU Salt Lake.

[utenation]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

I like that pic to. I still wish CCR (City Creek Reserve) and Taubman would have decided to leave the Inn at Temple Square in favor of demolishing the Plaza for Tower 1, and using the Inn as student dorms for BYU Salt Lake.

Is there a good looking photoshop pic floating around with all the new towers in place?

[delts145]

You know Urbanboy, That would have been nice. Oh well, I'm happy and excited about CCC anyway. Say, when your finished with school. You and Future Mayor and me can get together and rebuild some of these buildings, which we've lost over the decades. Why not?? And our version will be a lot greener and have all of the exterior charm, and alot more equipped to handle earthquakes.

[urbanboy]

Sounds great Delts!

We could buy the block North of the Little America Hotel from Earl Holding, and fill it with all the gems (term used loosely) Salt Lake City has lost, including the Newhouse Hotel,

Aurbach's, Eagle gate plaza, Amelia's Pallace, the building east of Walker Center, the Templeton, the Inn at Temple Square, Sears, LDS church administration building, and others. Which

development would serve as a great southern anchor for Main Street. After that we should rebuild Saltair out on the Great Salt Lake. Now we just need to find some investors,

or make it big!

[utenation]

Originally Posted by delts145

and alot more equipped to handle earthquakes.

To anyone:

Here's where I want to learn.. How have the earthquake codes changed over the last 20 years or so in SLC?

Is the technology the same in other earthquake hot zones and how much more cost is involved in making a building safer?

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Boiseguy

so if you're not living in utah, you're not welcome to participate and voice a perspective? great... f u dude.. you're a douchebag... I takes too much effort to participate with you folks.. you're so quick to get defensive and insulted... and it turns into a flashback to high school... Welcome to the forum, glad to see more people participating... I'll leave u to it... and go back "where I belong"...

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion stated from other people from places such as Boise or to compare. Boise is a beautiful city. UteNation, there is no need to get so worked up. It's all good. Yes, Boise is smaller, but there are some things that Boise has that Salt Lake lacks. Also, please don't get offended that I'm posting in these forums, either. My forum name is Orlando, because that's where I lived when I joined this forum. But, I've lived in SLC for most of my life. I've also lived in other places, and I currently reside in Portland.
Boiseguy just let it go. Feel free to continue to post in this forum.