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Ok this is bad!...MONTGOMERY has a taller building than Huntsville.LOL they have a RSA building like mobile and it is just over 400ft tall! And Mobile's RSA building is even taller than that! Huntsville needs a RSA building. I think Huntsville is building too many shopping plaza's.... Huntsville would look really good with some 15-30 story buildings with the mountains in the back ground.

RSA Battle Hosue Tower - 745`

Marriot Hotel (Mobile) - was 374 ` with 150 ` crown added it is now 524 `

Wachovia Tower (B-ham) - 454 `

Amsouth Herbert Plaza (B-ham) I love the "A frame top" on this building -437`

Amsouth Building (Mobile)- 423 `

Amsouth RSA Tower (Montgomery) -413 `

Amsouth Center (B-ham) the one in Atlanta looks just like it ! - 396 `

Turquose Place Condo ( Orange Beach)- 376 `


B-ham is still king in Alabama in terms of skyline density and is much better looking than Nashville and New Orleans skyline.


Oh yeah Huntsville could very much pass Mobile in city population size if people in Mobile keep moving out into the suburbs and Baldwin county ,lol but that has been on a freez lately ( past 2 years) thank God. Mobile has lost close to 6,000 to the suburbs and Baldwin county we went from over 198,000 to 192,000 + based on 2002 census who knows what it is now. I believe after the full BRAC explosion in Hunstville the city population can very well be around 185,000 + in the next 5 -10 years. Last I read Hunstville was around 162,000 +. Mobile has been doing a little annexation lately which included around 1,500 in the population and will be soon annexing the Tillmans Corner area in Mobile which has about over 15,000. the Mobile Police Jurisdiction covers 251,978 residents to be exact so the city is slowly trying to annex the unincorporated areas out west and south of Mobile city limits where people were bleeding the city to go live.


The city of Madison could soon bleed Huntsville I hope not only time will tell

Huntsville and Montgomery are both lucky compared to Mobile and B-ham . Both Mobile and Jefferson county are huge compared to Madison and Montgomery County. Both Jefferson County and Mobile county are full of suburbs or blood suckers is what I call them. The only and main city in Montgomery County is Montgomery. The only city in that is realy a city in Madison County besides Huntsville is Madison city
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I think Prattville is two or three in student population, check it out they have over 2200 students. I just read on the city-data.com site where they say 1990 in school population in Prattville High.


Oh yeah sorry i forgot Prattville I included them in on that post they were in at 1,965 .
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 3:17 AM
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The City-Data Website says :

Murphy High (Mobile) 2,369

Hoover High 2,044

Prattvile High 1,965

Virgil Grissom High(Huntsville) 1,916

Theodore High (Mobile) 1,719

Mar G Montgomery (Mobile) 1,699

Oak Mounatin (B-ham) 1,650

Lee High (Montgomery) 1,564


BOb Jones(Madison) 1,506


based on 2006 student High school population who knows now City-Data.com
Bob Jones and Sparkman only have grades 10-12, since the population became too large they had to build a separate school for Sparkman just for the 9th grade.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 3:23 AM
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yeah your right, I read that about 3 years ago in the pare up here.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 3:27 AM
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RSA Battle Hosue Tower - 745`

Marriot Hotel (Mobile) - was 374 ` with 150 ` crown added it is now 524 `

Wachovia Tower (B-ham) - 454 `

Amsouth Herbert Plaza (B-ham) I love the "A frame top" on this building -437`

Amsouth Building (Mobile)- 423 `

Amsouth RSA Tower (Montgomery) -413 `

Amsouth Center (B-ham) the one in Atlanta looks just like it ! - 396 `

Turquose Place Condo ( Orange Beach)- 376 `


B-ham is still king in Alabama in terms of skyline density and is much better looking than Nashville and New Orleans skyline.


Oh yeah Huntsville could very much pass Mobile in city population size if people in Mobile keep moving out into the suburbs and Baldwin county ,lol but that has been on a freez lately ( past 2 years) thank God. Mobile has lost close to 6,000 to the suburbs and Baldwin county we went from over 198,000 to 192,000 + based on 2002 census who knows what it is now. I believe after the full BRAC explosion in Hunstville the city population can very well be around 185,000 + in the next 5 -10 years. Last I read Hunstville was around 162,000 +. Mobile has been doing a little annexation lately which included around 1,500 in the population and will be soon annexing the Tillmans Corner area in Mobile which has about over 15,000. the Mobile Police Jurisdiction covers 251,978 residents to be exact so the city is slowly trying to annex the unincorporated areas out west and south of Mobile city limits where people were bleeding the city to go live.


The city of Madison could soon bleed Huntsville I hope not only time will tell

Huntsville and Montgomery are both lucky compared to Mobile and B-ham . Both Mobile and Jefferson county are huge compared to Madison and Montgomery County. Both Jefferson County and Mobile county are full of suburbs or blood suckers is what I call them. The only and main city in Montgomery County is Montgomery. The only city in that is realy a city in Madison County besides Huntsville is Madison city
Huntsville city population was estimated around 168K as of 2006, the metro at 386K as of 2007. The metro area is likely to grow a lot by 2010 census, and I expect a county or more to be added to the MSA and CSA. Huntsville has annexed enough areas around town to see plenty of population growth in its city limits, especially in Limestone county, and the growing Hampton Cove area, so I doubt Madison will bleed Huntsville.
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RSA Battle Hosue Tower - 745`

Marriot Hotel (Mobile) - was 374 ` with 150 ` crown added it is now 524 `

Wachovia Tower (B-ham) - 454 `

Amsouth Herbert Plaza (B-ham) I love the "A frame top" on this building -437`

Amsouth Building (Mobile)- 423 `

Amsouth RSA Tower (Montgomery) -413 `

Amsouth Center (B-ham) the one in Atlanta looks just like it ! - 396 `

Turquose Place Condo ( Orange Beach)- 376 `


B-ham is still king in Alabama in terms of skyline density and is much better looking than Nashville and New Orleans skyline.


Oh yeah Huntsville could very much pass Mobile in city population size if people in Mobile keep moving out into the suburbs and Baldwin county ,lol but that has been on a freez lately ( past 2 years) thank God. Mobile has lost close to 6,000 to the suburbs and Baldwin county we went from over 198,000 to 192,000 + based on 2002 census who knows what it is now. I believe after the full BRAC explosion in Hunstville the city population can very well be around 185,000 + in the next 5 -10 years. Last I read Hunstville was around 162,000 +. Mobile has been doing a little annexation lately which included around 1,500 in the population and will be soon annexing the Tillmans Corner area in Mobile which has about over 15,000. the Mobile Police Jurisdiction covers 251,978 residents to be exact so the city is slowly trying to annex the unincorporated areas out west and south of Mobile city limits where people were bleeding the city to go live.


The city of Madison could soon bleed Huntsville I hope not only time will tell

Huntsville and Montgomery are both lucky compared to Mobile and B-ham . Both Mobile and Jefferson county are huge compared to Madison and Montgomery County. Both Jefferson County and Mobile county are full of suburbs or blood suckers is what I call them. The only and main city in Montgomery County is Montgomery. The only city in that is realy a city in Madison County besides Huntsville is Madison city
Well, there's Prattville(which is split between Elmore and Autauga Counties), Millbrook, and Wetumpka. So, while Montgomery owns Montgomery County, the "Big 3" suburbs are in the 2 northern counties to the Capital City.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 2:19 PM
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Huntsville city population was estimated around 168K as of 2006, the metro at 386K as of 2007. The metro area is likely to grow a lot by 2010 census, and I expect a county or more to be added to the MSA and CSA. Huntsville has annexed enough areas around town to see plenty of population growth in its city limits, especially in Limestone county, and the growing Hampton Cove area, so I doubt Madison will bleed Huntsville.

Yeah exactly there are hardly any little cities around Huntsville so you guys are lucky to do that and Huntville now takes up a huge portion of the county. In Mobile ther are dozens of little citieson the out skirts . So the city is trying to annex little unincorporetd areas around the city that are provided with Mobile city police and fire protection. The TannerWilliams area is an unincorporetd area and has a population of over 65,000, Semmes has around 17,000, Tillmans corner area like metioned before over 15,000. Places like Bayou Cove south of the city limits are strong in poulation as well. MPD jurisdiction covers over 251,000 residents with 40 murders last year not bad . So the city is pulling these areas in.Hunstville had about 22 murders lat last year. Prichard (north of Mobile city limits)which is the most dangerous city in the state had 18 murders last year with a population of around 30,000 simular in size of Madison but they havn`t experinced any population decline which is amazing. I believe in the 2010 census Huntsville should be around 180- 185,000 and hopefuly wre still at 192,000 or back around 200,000 if the annexation and industry continue the way it is we will or pass the 200,000 mark.
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I realy hate that the Westin isn`t downtown that would have been a cool addition to the skyline of Huntsville and density as well. A carnival like them with carnival rides would have been nice in that Westin hotel spot !
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Nice pictures! One thing that really separates Bridge Street from these other announced developments is that you have to park outside it and walk into the center. Makes for a more enjoyable experience, I would imagine.
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Some road info, surveying stakes are up on Research Park Blvd south of
University. This probably has to do with the repaving job that is set to start
but it looks like there may be some widening of the ramps as well.
Also a little info on the new I-65 interchange at Tanner adjacent to the hope to be VW site. It will take two years they say(ridiculous) bet if VW shows up it will be finished quickly. Congressman Bud Cramer should get a lot of credit getting this done despite ALDOTS footdragging and delays. If VW does not choose Alabama it could be because of ALDOT. Sorry it takes them too long to finish ANYTHING.

The interchange will be a diamond design with ramps that veer straight on or off the interstate to and from Huntsville-Browns Ferry Road.
Huntsville-Browns Ferry Road will be widened to three lanes for about 500 feet on each side of I-65. The third lane will be a middle turn lane to the I-65 on ramps.

Also, the bridge height on Huntsville-Browns Ferry Road over I-65 will be increased.


The apparent low bid to repave Research Park Boulevard from University Drive to Alabama 53 was about $1.45 million from Reed Contracting Services. The company will have about three months to repave 3.88 miles of the road from about one-half mile south of University Drive to Alabama 53.
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I hope huntsville/decatur get that VW plant. That would really help stimulate some growth out that way towards and around the interstate. Right now when I travel from Athens to decatur It is so boring there is absolutly nothing out there to look at! And plus when they start to build that SweetWater Plaza on the corner of i-65 and i-565 that will also help the growth!
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Well I admire this guys determination but the only thing it will do is cause
this project to go to the bottom of the pile. Thanks ALDOT for killing economic growth!

By STEVE DOYLE
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Resident says state pledged to build at Blake Bottom

MONROVIA - Jack Bozeman is determined to hold the state Department of Transportation to its promise.

Bozeman says he was in the crowd when a DOT official told Monrovia residents in 1992 that a proposed extension of Rideout Road (now Research Park Boulevard) would include an overpass at Blake Bottom Road.

The pledge is now on shaky ground. Last month, state Transportation Director Joe McInnes said his agency, at the request of Huntsville leaders, shifted money from the Blake Bottom project in 2004 to build a four-lane access road to Toyota's engine plant. If the city or county want an overpass at Blake Bottom, McInnes said, they'll have to find the cash to pay for it.

If Research Park Boulevard is extended without an overpass or interchange at Blake Bottom, drivers who want to get to Blake Bottom will have to drive about a mile out of their way to Alabama 53, then loop back around on the service road.

Bozeman, who lives on Dan Tibbs Road, says that's not fair. He's written to Gov. Bob Riley. He spends weekends going door to door in Monrovia, talking about why an overpass is needed. On Sunday, he put up a large plywood sign at Blake Bottom and Indian Creek roads urging passersby to pressure state leaders to keep their word.

"Everyone I've talked to about this was surprised," Bozeman said Wednesday. "No one knows what the highway department is doing, which is how the highway department likes it. It's easier to get forgiveness than permission."

Madison County Commissioner Dale Strong, R-Monrovia, said the lack of an overpass at Blake Bottom and Research Park Boulevard will snarl traffic, endanger children on buses and delay ambulances on their way to emergencies.

"It's going to create a hazard," he said Wednesday. "I know the DOT is underfunded, but these overpasses assist people in getting home safely. I'm just struggling to know that the right hand knows what the left hand is doing."
Blake Bottom is among the county's busiest two-lane roads, used by about 8,000 vehicles a day. That's about the same number that use Clinton Avenue downtown and the busiest part of Franklin Street in the medical district.

Traffic on Blake Bottom will grow thicker in the coming years, Bozeman said, as transferring Army families buy homes in the Monrovia area. Also, a 763-lot subdivision, Anslee Farms, is under construction on Blake Bottom near Research Park Boulevard.


Bozeman, an information technology expert for Sanmina-SCI, said forcing all those drivers to circle through the Alabama 53-Research Park Boulevard intersection is a recipe for disaster.

Tony Harris, a DOT spokesman in Montgomery, told The Times last month that the proposed design is "not an unusual traffic configuration. It is a change that people will have to adapt to."

The agency has also said Alabama 53 and Blake Bottom Road are too close together to allow ramps at both intersections.

Bozeman, 55, isn't giving up. He recently started a blog, "35806 Take Action," to keep residents informed about the overpass situation. The blog name refers to Monrovia's zip code.

He also hopes to collect enough signatures on a petition to force transportation officials to reconsider the overpass.

"This is a slow process; it's not something that happens in a week's time or a month's time." Bozeman said. "But there's strength in numbers."

Sonny Wilson, owner of Wilson Garage Door Co. on Dan Tibbs Road, has agreed to help gather signatures. For Wilson, the lack of an overpass is partly an economic issue because his truck drivers would be forced to take a longer route and burn more gasoline.

"I don't see how they can just pull out of what they promised," he said Wednesday. "They might have to take money from one of the other projects they've got going, but they promised this and need to abide by it."
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By MARIAN ACCARDI
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Publication aims to show area's impact on state

Brian Hilson, president and CEO of the Huntsville/Madison County Chamber of Commerce, believes that outsiders don't easily grasp this community's economic growth.

It's an economy driven by a mix of defense and aerospace opportunities resulting from the 2005 BRAC decision to move key Army commands to Redstone Arsenal, a growing life-sciences industry, and new and expanding businesses.

To get this message across, the chamber has published the 2008 Huntsville/Madison County Economic Growth Report, a new publication that includes charts with key economic benchmark data from the metro area, comparing it with certain peer cities such as Charlotte, N.C., and Austin, Texas; other Alabama metros; the state; and the national average. The report also contains mini-profiles of each of last year's new and expanding businesses here.

"This brings to life the quantity and quality of economic growth we've had here not only in the past year but in past years," Hilson said.

For example, new and expanding companies in Madison County announced 4,181 jobs last year, leading all other counties in the state. The county has ranked No. 1 in the state in announced new and expanding jobs for 15 of the last 18 years.
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Brian Hilson, president and CEO of the Huntsville/Madison County Chamber of Commerce, believes that outsiders don't easily grasp this community's economic growth.

I do! I think it's amazing how Huntsville has transformed since I was kid in the 80's. I grew up about half-way between Huntsville and Birmingham and remember when Huntsville was thought to be on hard times... boy has that changed! Huntsville is a shining star.
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A theory circulates that Sazio was shut down for shortfalls in projected profit. Sazio was profitable, but fell short of projections (according to a Star Market employee). This explains the bitterness of some employees, Washington Square's sympathetic PR responses, and the curt sign posted on the door reading "Dear Loyal Customers... Sazio is closed for good." Washington Square's response to email inquiries has been that they want to concentrate their resources on downtown. A former bartender at Sazio has said it was mismanagement 'from the very top,' meaning the mismanagement was at the holding group level.

My theory is that Sazio was shut down to bring the lucrative Five Points / Old Towne / Blossomwood casual diners who roosted at Sazio (including myself) into Mason's Pub. A lot of money was sunk into Mason's Pub and I've not it seen perform as well as I might have hoped. It is WSq's hope to concentrate the local diner's market in downtown rather than serve them in Five Points, combining the market power of local diners and the young weekend crowd. Mason's Pub has at least seven years on a commercial note for the property and improvements, Sazio at least three. The question is what will they do with the Sazio property?

Tis my theory. Any thoughts? One thing adds up... and that is Sazio was profitable. It was a top decision to shut it down.
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A theory circulates that Sazio was shut down for shortfalls in projected profit. Sazio was profitable, but fell short of projections (according to a Star Market employee). This explains the bitterness of some employees, Washington Square's sympathetic PR responses, and the curt sign posted on the door reading "Dear Loyal Customers... Sazio is closed for good." Washington Square's response to email inquiries has been that they want to concentrate their resources on downtown. A former bartender at Sazio has said it was mismanagement 'from the very top,' meaning the mismanagement was at the holding group level.

My theory is that Sazio was shut down to bring the lucrative Five Points / Old Towne / Blossomwood casual diners who roosted at Sazio (including myself) into Mason's Pub. A lot of money was sunk into Mason's Pub and I've not it seen perform as well as I might have hoped. It is WSq's hope to concentrate the local diner's market in downtown rather than serve them in Five Points, combining the market power of local diners and the young weekend crowd. Mason's Pub has at least seven years on a commercial note for the property and improvements, Sazio at least three. The question is what will they do with the Sazio property?

Tis my theory. Any thoughts? One thing adds up... and that is Sazio was profitable. It was a top decision to shut it down.
Interesting, they say the property is for sale, so it sounds they are out of
the area. I thought the service and food quality had dropped off. If a restaurant closes in this city(any city) it is mostly because of poor service or food. They didn't do too good of a job marketing the spot either but there is no reason for the restaurant to have not done well, unless for the reasons you state.
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My theory is that Sazio was shut down to bring the lucrative Five Points / Old Towne / Blossomwood casual diners who roosted at Sazio (including myself) into Mason's Pub. A lot of money was sunk into Mason's Pub and I've not it seen perform as well as I might have hoped. It is WSq's hope to concentrate the local diner's market in downtown rather than serve them in Five Points, combining the market power of local diners and the young weekend crowd. Mason's Pub has at least seven years on a commercial note for the property and improvements, Sazio at least three. The question is what will they do with the Sazio property?
I have a difficult time believing masons isn't doing as well as they'd hoped. every time i've been there it's extremely crowded. you usually have to wait 10-20 minutes to get on the elevator. that's one of the reasons i hate going there (the other is the smoke!). perhaps they're not making the profits they thought they would at masons, but if that's the case then it's their own fault for overestimating profits.

personally i'd rather see other groups develop in huntsville. not a big fan of one group owning all the bars and restaurants in town. i am sure sazio's spot will be occupied by another decent eatery as soon as that road work is finished in 5 points.
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I have a difficult time believing masons isn't doing as well as they'd hoped. every time i've been there it's extremely crowded. you usually have to wait 10-20 minutes to get on the elevator. that's one of the reasons i hate going there (the other is the smoke!). perhaps they're not making the profits they thought they would at masons, but if that's the case then it's their own fault for overestimating profits.

personally i'd rather see other groups develop in huntsville. not a big fan of one group owning all the bars and restaurants in town. i am sure sazio's spot will be occupied by another decent eatery as soon as that road work is finished in 5 points.

I agree with that, I've wondered if it has kept some out. They do a good job
but diversity would be good as well. Of course they don't own all the spots just the Washington Square block.
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See the latest on the progress of rebuiding Huntsville's Brewery after being destroyed by fire. It won't be long now.

http://www.oldetownebeer.com/blog.html
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