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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 3:41 PM
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To Cottonwood and a second issue...

"or the new library for that matter"...I am not sure what you mean by "for that matter" but the SLC library is just stunning. I mean it could be dropped into any city and not just US cities and be an instant top 5 newly constructed building. The design is off the charts. The creative aspects coupled with the sheer essence of what a library is all about is exceptional.

I love the Boston Building but tell me why you sited it out in particular. I am not saying that you are wrong to point it out.

The other issue:

Finally, I do not understand why Boise is even compared to SLC. They are both in the west...after that...what is the comparison?

Boise is a nice city but that is where the comparison ends. When the Provo metro area comes very close to equaling the Boise metro area then that about says it all.

After all of that, I actually like Boise...However, It is not SLC or even close to it.
     
     
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Hey Rick, It was me originally who was just pointing out that Salt Lake is not only a downtown with a comparitively large portfolio of historic towers and monumental gems, but also comtemporary masterpieces like the new library.

And I agree with your comparison thoughts. It really makes absolutely no sense! Also, I don't think that was what Boiseguy was doing either. It was just an obvious comparison situation created by someone else, when I had responded to the development of another new block on 300 west. I felt SLC was now doing a great job of breaking up the blocks with a lot of more intimate and charming corridors, but at the same time would retain its iconic, large boulevardes.

LOL. Rick, Looking below I guess I'll have to actually place the original two posts and then the response below. Judge for yourself.

Typically no one ever even mentions Boise on a SLC related thread. I would say that is true of 99% percent of the Boise forumers mentioning SLC on their local threads. However, there's maybe one or two who constantly bash Salt Lake on their respective forum. They then come over here occasionally, and start a non-sensical comparison, all the while feigning to be sincere and benevolent, LOL.

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So this development would likely take place east of the Gateway where that power station now is? That would be a perfect spot. My favorite part about this is the division of the block to make it walkable.
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I very much agree DMTower, this is very exciting indeed. It's just more proof that not only can Downtown Salt Lake City keep it's elegant, iconic blvd's, but at the same time add density, intimacy and charm throughout the core area.

and the followup, with a littany of similar questions and comparisons:
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...Not meaning to start a tiff, and it isn't my intention, but I did live in Salt Lake for many years and the only street anywhere near Downtown or the city that I would classify as a Boulevard is Foothill Boulevard. The only street downtown that would come close, and still isn't technically a Boulevard is South Temple street.
Most streets downtown Salt Lake lacked and still lack (I have a little sis in Tooele and visit on occasion) above average landscaping. A good example of a "Boulevard" is Capitol Boulevard here in Boise which has above average landscaping and bike lanes, trees separating most of the sidewalks from the street, and the way the Boulevard forks in front of the statehouse. The Boulevard is framed by the Depot on the Bench on the South side and the Capitol Building on the North side.
Park Center Boulevard is another excellent example with extreme -above average landscaping, landcaped median strips, also there is Harrison Boulevard, and a few others scattered around Boise.

So, which streets are you considering Boulevards in downtown SLC? Especially ones considered "iconic" or in your opinion "iconic"--- Just curious. Have some of the streets added landscaping and grass in the last year? State Street has the potential to become a true Boulevard much like Capitol Blvd here in Boise. North Temple could even join in on the action.

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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 3:58 PM
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"or the new library for that matter"...I am not sure what you mean by "for that matter" but the SLC library is just stunning. I mean it could be dropped into any city and not just US cities and be an instant top 5 building. The design is off the charts. The creative aspects coupled with the sheer essence of what a library is all about is exceptional.

I love the Boston Building but tell me why you sited it out in particular. I am not saying that you are wrong to point it out.

The other issue:

Finally, I do not understand why Boise is even compared to SLC. They are both in the west...after that...what is the comparison?

Boise is a nice city but that is where the comparison ends. When the Provo metro area comes very close to equaling the Boise metro area then that about says it all.

After all of that, I actually like Boise...However, It is not SLC or even close to it.



NYC Rick, first of all when you are attempting to quote another forumer make sure you use the "quote" button and actually quote the correct person. The remark you didn't quote correctly above...."or the new library for that matter" isn't my statement but came from Delts145.
Also, the comparing didn't happen until Delts145 engulfed himself/herself (just to be safe since I don't know if delts is female or male) into the conversation.
Yes, the two cities are very different but have many comparisons and similarities too since Southern Idaho and Utah have many many ties to each other.
But yeah, the cities are a world apart in many respects....and for better or worse that is a very good thing.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 4:35 PM
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Thanks for that Tour Delts. South Temple truly is a Street/Boulevard to be proud off.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 6:25 PM
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"or the new library for that matter"...I am not sure what you mean by "for that matter" but the SLC library is just stunning. I mean it could be dropped into any city and not just US cities and be an instant top 5 newly constructed building. The design is off the charts. The creative aspects coupled with the sheer essence of what a library is all about is exceptional.

I love the Boston Building but tell me why you sited it out in particular. I am not saying that you are wrong to point it out.

The other issue:

Finally, I do not understand why Boise is even compared to SLC. They are both in the west...after that...what is the comparison?

Boise is a nice city but that is where the comparison ends. When the Provo metro area comes very close to equaling the Boise metro area then that about says it all.

After all of that, I actually like Boise...However, It is not SLC or even close to it.
well boise actually is right between provo and salt lake in terms of size of metro.. but I think boise compares more to salt lake in that it is the largest city in the state, its the capital, and has a reasonably similar skyline in terms of the diffence in size...there is very little about provo that is similar to boise... but I really think we should stop comparing the two.. I thought it could be valuable to bring it up in terms of boulevards, but its obvious its just getting under people's skin.. when it doesn't have to... If you fail to see the similarities... thats fine... carry on
     
     
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I like that one! Funny!
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 11:37 PM
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well boise actually is right between provo and salt lake in terms of size of metro.. but I think boise compares more to salt lake in that it is the largest city in the state, its the capital, and has a reasonably similar skyline in terms of the diffence in size...there is very little about provo that is similar to boise... but I really think we should stop comparing the two.. I thought it could be valuable to bring it up in terms of boulevards, but its obvious its just getting under people's skin.. when it doesn't have to... If you fail to see the similarities... thats fine... carry on

Wow!!! What is the deal with all these Boise bozos on this forum? I've never seen such Little Man's Disease before.. You mentioned we should stop comparing the two cities, why don't you start right now?

I've been lurking for sometime now but finally felt the urge to say something about these clowns.

Boise's skyline is not in the same ballpark as SLC's.. You maybe have 3 or 4 buildings that are even worth mentioning.. SLC has around 16 buildings built or under cunstruction that are taller than your best.. The Boise Place mess is only getting worse.. I really don't see how you can compare the two skylines.. Infill and density aren't close either. You could make a decent case for a more vibrant downtown but that's about it..

As far as populations, it's not even close.. And yes, you have much more in common with Provo than SLC..

Boise is about 600K metro
Provo is about 500K metro
SLC is about 1.3 million metro

SLC's metro is closer to the size of your entire state.. If you think that Boise being the capital and largest city in the state is a true comparison, you need to think again.. It sounds more like envy to me..
     
     
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Welcome to the forum from a fellow lurker/occasional poster... though you did pick an interesting time to jump in.
     
     
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Boise is Salt Lake as Salt Lake is to Denver.

I can understand - I compare SLC to Denver all the time - but in actuality, we're much smaller.
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Old Posted May 1, 2008, 12:10 AM
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Welcome to the forum from a fellow lurker/occasional poster... though you did pick an interesting time to jump in.
I love development, I'm a Residential Mortgage Broker with a strong real estate background.

Looking forward to more information on the commercial development side of things.. It seems there is some great knowledge here and some very handy photographers.. I love all the update pics!!! SLC Projects, T-Mac and others, I look forward to all your pictures..

I have to say, I look forward to Viperlord's insider info very much..

As far as the Boise posters, I really think they should accept reality.. Comparing Boise to SLC is like comparing SLC to Denver...

Anyways, I think you have to be a skyscraper geek to even find this site, so I'm going to really enjoy the discussions and learning the X's and O's of development..

BTW, we need something above 420 ft, really bad...
     
     
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I love development, I'm a Residential Mortgage Broker with a strong real estate background.

Looking forward to more information on the commercial development side of things.. It seems there is some great knowledge here and some very handy photographers.. I love all the update pics!!! SLC Projects, T-Mac and others, I look forward to all your pictures..

I have to say, I look forward to Viperlord's insider info very much..
I'm in architecture, and we have more Planers on here then we know what to do with ...and now we have a real estate insider to round us out a little bit more.

Again, welcome.
     
     
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Old Posted May 1, 2008, 12:44 AM
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I'm in architecture, and we have more Planers on here then we know what to do with ...and now we have a real estate insider to round us out a little bit more.

Again, welcome.
I noticed all the planners here.. The egos, I tell ya.. Like I said, I love to learn new things..

I think I might be able to add some depth on the CCC condo penetration levels and cost evaluations down the road. As of now, they're being smart to scale some of the units with demand.. Especially with many other condo sites in DT combined with fear of the unknown..

Yes, we've avoided some of the national recession but the housing crunch/disaster is a real deal even in Utah.. Loan products/options have been cut nearly 60% in the last 8 months.. This is not good..

And each one of these construction folks working on the down-town projects are very happy for the work.. I personally know dozens of residential construction workers that are in hard times with record low development..

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I'm in architecture, and we have more Planers on here then we know what to do with ...and now we have a real estate insider to round us out a little bit more.

Again, welcome.

YAY, for Architecture! Me too!

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Okay,now that we have a few intros out of the way, can someone please fill me in on what the SLC obsession is with some Boise posters? I've been reading this forum for a few months and have often wondered this.
     
     
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