Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Page 251

T-Mac · #**5001** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 5:39 AM**

How about we bring the thread back to development and not Urbanboy's dislike for the LDS Church. I would respond back in a negative way because he is pissing me off, but he's not worth it. He has his opinions and the fact of the matter is the building is named the Church History Library no matter how much he groans about it. Move on!!!!

RFPCME · #**5002** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 5:52 AM**

T-Mac: As always, thanks for the pics. Well done. Also, I agree that carping about a religion on this thread is inappropriate...not really different from complaining about race, ethnicity, gender, et cetera. It doesn't belong here.

I assume there are forums for that kind of stuff. But they are not forums I want any part of.

Salty Laker · #**5003** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 7:16 AM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

Don't you find it a little presumptuous or arrogant of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to name the new library "The Church History Library," when it will not be a library for all churches and their history, only Mormon history?

Actually, I think it's supposed to add mystery to downtown Salt Lake. When somebody, probably a tourist, asks, "What building is that?" someone else will say "That is the Church History Building," then the first person replies by asking "Is that for all churches or is it for a specific church, and if it is, which church is it for?" then the second person says "Why don't you go in and find out?" First person: "Oooooooooooooooooo, by going in I will unveil the mystery of which church it's for." Second person: "Yes, that is the great thing about downtown Salt Lake, that it is mysterious." First person: "Mysterious cities are awesome."

See what I mean, urbanboy?

BTW, I love you because you're awesome. Can we be friends?

Boiseguy · #**5004** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 7:45 AM**

I think if someone is standing in downtown salt lake city.. they're going to know what church its talking about..... I know that the city itself is becoming more and more diverse... but that will never effect its history and the ever present church that operates in it. Downtown is seeing a lot of new and exciting projects, with that said, remember who's funding most if not all of it.... and the church will always have that large presence downtown no matter how big or great salt lake becomes as a city. Some say its a good thing.. while others would argue its not... its all subjective I suppose.. but don't let diversity and liberal attitudes fool you.. the church runs that town if not from the legislature, then by vested interest.. and I never see that changing...

jedikermit · #**5005** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 12:57 PM**

Besides, I don't think many people want to type "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints History Library" every time they refer to it. Although really, once it's finished, I assume that will be on the outside of the building. Maybe?

delts145 · #**5006** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 1:30 PM**

337 - Condemned building became a commercial-free art gallery

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695273669,00.html

City Center Lofts

flickr link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/richlegg/sets/72157600269819667/

Adam Price holds a ceremonial sledgehammer during the demolition. Condominiums made of recycled steel will be buiilt on the site. (Tim Hussin, Deseret News)

(Tim Hussin, Deseret News)

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DENrising · #**5007** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Boiseguy

I think if someone is standing in downtown salt lake city.. they're going to know what church its talking about..... I know that the city itself is becoming more and more diverse... but that will never effect its history and the ever present church that operates in it. Downtown is seeing a lot of new and exciting projects, with that said, remember who's funding most if not all of it.... and the church will always have that large presence downtown no matter how big or great salt lake becomes as a city. Some say its a good thing.. while others would argue its not... its all subjective I suppose.. but don't let diversity and liberal attitudes fool you.. the church runs that town if not from the legislature, then by vested interest.. and I never see that changing...

Boise, it is becomming more diverse as I've lived downtown near Trolley Sq for over 3 years, we also have the largest concentration of non-LDS churches in the state. My point is, downtown doesn't have the feel of other Utah communities and there is a lot of non-Church related development going on. This thread should be evidence of that itself. CCC is a large investment, I understand that, but there's more to life downtown than the future CCC, people still do go to Gateway, in droves.

We cant and shoulnt debate religion and politics here, and I do believe CCC is a great project no matter who funds it. it will bring more people dt and more residents, let us embrace that and be thankful for this positive growth. I do disagree with the skybridge though, we need to promote Main Street as a viable, walkable, enjoyable street.

SLC Projects · #**5008** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 4:45 PM**

OMG I am going to have to make a thread just for Urbanboy to trash talk the church in?
What the hell?

Anways I'm starting to really like the 337 project. I still need to do a drive by and check out the site.

urbanboy · #**5009** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Salty Laker

Actually, I think it's supposed to add mystery to downtown Salt Lake. When somebody, probably a tourist, asks, "What building is that?" someone else will say "That is the Church History Building," then the first person replies by asking "Is that for all churches or is it for a specific church, and if it is, which church is it for?" then the second person says "Why don't you go in and find out?" First person: "Oooooooooooooooooo, by going in I will unveil the mystery of which church it's for." Second person: "Yes, that is the great thing about downtown Salt Lake, that it is mysterious." First person: "Mysterious cities are awesome."

See what I mean, urbanboy?

BTW, I love you because you're awesome. Can we be friends?

LOL! yaaay that was funny

Yes, we can be friends! In fact, we can all be friends.

I'm not trying to pick at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I was looking at it from the perspective of a user who might not be familiar with Salt Lake City. Then I thought I wonder if someone would be confused as to which church "The Church History Library" belongs to. And then I thought, that does seem a little presumptuous/arrogant of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to assume it is the only legitimate church for all on this earth. While I understand that that is the belief (which might be why the building is called "The Church History Library"), it is no excuse to not be considerate of other faiths and beliefs. I don't hate the "Church," however, I do think people and organizations should be called on their shit. Is there anything wrong with that?

Ute_City · #**5010** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 7:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

And then I thought, that does seem a little presumptuous/arrogant of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to assume it is the only legitimate church for all on this earth.

Um, dude - all church's believe they are the only true church, not just the LDS. Ask a Catholic, Presbyterian, or an Islamic Jihadist what the true church is and they would say their own.

Anyways, lets consider this matter closed and talk about development. And for hells sake, if anyone has to spread their anti-mormon diatribe, do it somewhere else.

urbanboy · #**5011** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Ute_City

Um, dude - all church's believe they are the only true church, not just the LDS. Ask a Catholic, Presbyterian, or an Islamic Jihadist what the true church is and they would say their own.

Yes, and they should all be called on their shit.

Quote:

Anyways, lets consider this matter closed and talk about development.

Believe it or not, this issue does have to do with development:

This is a social issue. In order to have a nurturing and harmonious community, we must embrace diversity in all things.

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And for hells sake, if anyone has to spread their anti-mormon diatribe, do it somewhere else.

Again, nothing I stated was anti-mormon. Please don't be so defensive.

airhero · #**5012** Posted **Apr 27, 2008, 11:15 PM**

I can see where you're coming from urbanboy, but can we not just call it The Church History Building, at least on this thread? If not, then what do you suggest we call it?

Boiseguy · #**5013** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 1:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by SLCrising

Boise, it is becomming more diverse as I've lived downtown near Trolley Sq for over 3 years, we also have the largest concentration of non-LDS churches in the state. My point is, downtown doesn't have the feel of other Utah communities and there is a lot of non-Church related development going on. This thread should be evidence of that itself. CCC is a large investment, I understand that, but there's more to life downtown than the future CCC, people still do go to Gateway, in droves.

We cant and shoulnt debate religion and politics here, and I do believe CCC is a great project no matter who funds it. it will bring more people dt and more residents, let us embrace that and be thankful for this positive growth. I do disagree with the skybridge though, we need to promote Main Street as a viable, walkable, enjoyable street.

I totally agree with you, I have seen salt lake city change a lot just in my lifetime in terms of diversity.. that is why I said what I said, and you know you're right there are lots of other vested interests downtown that are coming out with some great developements.. but I still think it is naive to think that the CCC developement by the church has anything to do with paving the way for the city to go. I think the CCC developement is great and will add to downtown's vitality, but I also see it as a move by the church to further its vested interests downtown.. whether that is good or bad... that depends on who you ask.... I just worry that the developement is so large so quick for salt lake that it stifles further investments of other who would bring more diverse developements.. does that make sense? I think it would be cool to see more restaurants with relaxed liquir laws, and more night life etc.. If most of downtown is consumed by the church building a shopping center and condo's then it is shoving out future investments that are more mainstream with other large cities... if the church's influence is so great downtown.. what happens when the liquor laws actually do become more relaxed and the church implements the status quo on their property? CCC is a big footprint on downtown...
time will tell... so for now I totally agree with what you're saying... I just question everything.. probably too much... but it makes me wonder about things like that..

urbanboy · #**5014** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 2:34 AM**

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Originally Posted by airhero

I can see where you're coming from urbanboy, but can we not just call it The Church History Building, at least on this thread? If not, then what do you suggest we call it?

I propose that each time someone is referring to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they either state the full name, or put three letters before the word "church," and those are: LDS

Example: LDS Church History Library.

Orlando · #**5015** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 5:20 AM**

I understand Urban Boy's point, and I don't think there is any need to get defensive about it. I've lived in Salt Lake and am quite familiar with the expression used as "...the church..." referring to the LDS, Mormon, or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. If you were a new person to the Utah community and heard it expressed as 'the church', it would be confusing or might even seem to be a little presumptive and arrogant to refer to it in that manner. I agree that it should be labeled as to which church it is in reference to. Although, we all know which church it is in reference to.

jmonkey · #**5016** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 5:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ute_City

Um, dude - all church's believe they are the only true church, not just the LDS. Ask a Catholic, Presbyterian, or an Islamic Jihadist what the true church is and they would say their own.

Ask a Unitarian-Universalist if their church is the only 'true' church.

delts145 · #**5017** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 2:29 PM**

Everyone please refer to, "So now what Wasatch Front thread" and VOTE! Let's get this thing settled now!!

SLC Projects · #**5018** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 4:25 PM**

This forum has really gotten lame these past few days. Somebody wake me up when we have development news.

ski_steve · #**5019** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 5:15 PM**

Move of old, big Odd Fellows building risky

By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune

After sitting for 117 years in the same spot, the Odd Fellows Hall might have a few aches and pains when it moves to make way for a new federal courthouse this summer.
There's no guarantee the historic building will still be in one piece after its trip across Market Street in downtown Salt Lake City. After all, it's old, big, heavy and already crumbling in spots. The structure will also have to make a 180-degree turn, a difficult move considering its age...

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9079760?source=rss

It would be a tragedy if it did collapse. I would blame the cube. Lets hope it stays together!

Comrade · #**5020** Posted **Apr 28, 2008, 8:21 PM**

I've had this fear for a while now...that they'll go to move it and it'll crumble.

That would suck major ass.