Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[Northernlad]

Originally Posted by blazefirelight

I apologize if this seems....well, bitchy--but can we PLEASE exclude all articles that are primarily Sandy-based or Airline-merger based? If you have anything like that to post, there ARE other threads intended for those types of articles. Unless you are using them in direct correlation with something to do with Salt Lake, do not post them in this thread, PLEASE!

And about the airline mergers--yes, they're cool. But how about instead of writing massive articles about them or posting massive articles about them, you blurb them and mention how it effects Salt Lake directly.

I get really annoyed when I come on and try to read stuff about Salt Lake but mainly see things about airlines and Sandy--especially with the pictures.

Sorry for complaining, it just aggrivates me.

It has been suggested many, many times that articles not be pasted here because we all have internet access and most of us read the news online anyways. Why come here to see the same articles? Why not just create a link, without the article included, without the photos from the newspaper included, without somebody's bolded commentary included, and then we can just click to read the story from the official source and then discuss. Sometimes I feel like the Utah threads are way too full of articles from the D-News and the Trib.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by blazefirelight

I apologize if this seems....well, bitchy--but can we PLEASE exclude all articles that are primarily Sandy-based or Airline-merger based? If you have anything like that to post, there ARE other threads intended for those types of articles. Unless you are using them in direct correlation with something to do with Salt Lake, do not post them in this thread, PLEASE!

We could do that, but then there's people who bitch about there being too many threads.
We do however already have a Airport thread somewhere that we use sometimes. And delts just started a thread on the new Sandy project on 10600 that I guess we could use for any Sandy City news. Might not be a bad idea.
My understanding was that the Salt Lake thread was for the whole Metro/valley.

[DMTower]

I was thinking that what would really make Regent Street a great walkable community is to build the residential elements and then fill the retail space with things like a gym, a laundromat, Rite-Aid, a cafe, etc. I think more mall type stores will just cheapen the atmosphere that could develop. What do you guys think?

[Future Mayor]

I agree, it needs to be neighborhood type retail down that street. If more mall type shops want to open up outside of CCC they could really fill a nice void along Main between 100 and 200 S. could make use of some really great old buildings. I think some additional restaurants along main would really go a long way to stretch downtown.

Sorry I used the word restaurant and referred to CCC, maybe those should only be used in their respective threads.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I agree, it needs to be neighborhood type retail down that street. If more mall type shops want to open up outside of CCC they could really fill a nice void along Main between 100 and 200 S. could make use of some really great old buildings. I think some additional restaurants along main would really go a long way to stretch downtown.

Sorry I used the word restaurant and referred to CCC, maybe those should only be used in their respective threads.

Referring and posting an article are two different things.

I've said the same thing because I really don't care about Sandy and this is the SALT LAKE development thread. It was originally intended to discuss development in downtown Salt Lake and now it's used for pretty much every development in the valley and it gets annoying reading through things that are't really all that major.

I just tire of scrolling through endless articles on lame development (and some not even linked to development) throughout suburban Salt Lake. I come here to discuss downtown Salt Lake and urban development within Salt Lake. I don't care much about Provo and I really don't care much about Sandy. And it isn't anything against those cities, but unless the development is huge (like the broadway site), then it really isn't very interesting. I mean, posting an article about the possibility they remodel or demolish a minor building there? I'll pass.

[SLC Projects]

[QUOTE=Comrade Reynolds;3510685]
I just tire of scrolling through endless articles on lame development QUOTE]

For you EVERY development is lame. No really the two years I have been on here I am still yet to read a comment of yours suporting a project. Hasn't happen yet.



[QUOTE=Comrade Reynolds;3510685]Referring and posting an article are two different things.

I've said the same thing because I really don't care about Sandy and this is the SALT LAKE development thread. It was originally intended to discuss development in downtown Salt Lake and now it's used for pretty much every development in the valley and it gets annoying reading through things that are't really all that major.
QUOTE]


Next, Shouldn't the Salt Lake thread be called the "Salt Lake downtown development thread" then? But like I said before there's a few of us that started other threads. ( Sandy stadium thread and Sandy 10600 thread. ) But then people like you start whining about how we now have too many threads and that we are spawling threads on this fourm. What do you want Cormade?
We can't talk about Sandy in the Salt Lake thread, but yet we also can't make threads about Sandy or other cities in the metro.
And how we are turning this thread into what should be about development now into what we think this thread should or should not be. Yea this is much better.




"annoying reading through things that are't really all that major." you mean kind of like this pointless debate we are having that is wasteing fourm space?

[SLCdave]

I cannot fucking believe how defensive some people get. This is the Internet what is wrong with you people. Fighting and getting into childish temper tantrums over a discussion on the Internet.

[T-Mac]

Amen. We need some photos to look at and maybe that will stop all the bitching.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

For you EVERY development is lame. No really the two years I have been on here I am still yet to read a comment of yours suporting a project. Hasn't happen yet.

Ok? I think you have me confused with someone else, because I've been pumped for like 5 years now over development on this board. Hell, when it was just me and two or three Salt Lake forumers back in 2002, I was going crazy at the first news of the Zion Social Hall Center, I was balls out excited over the first draft of the new malls in '03, restless at no news on the mall development for years and again excited at the news of what we were getting. Yeah there are aspects I don't like about the project, but I'm still glad it's being built.

Let's not forget the fact I've commented on many of the smaller projects and residential development over the years. But yeah, believe what you want to believe, I guess.

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Shouldn't the Salt Lake thread be called the "Salt Lake downtown development thread" then? But like I said before there's a few of us that started other threads. ( Sandy stadium thread and Sandy 10600 thread. ) But then people like you start whining about how we now have too many threads and that we are spawling threads on this fourm. What do you want Cormade?

It was, ask Viperlord, since he created this thread almost 2 years ago. The original thread was supposed to revolve around downtown development and on the rare occasion, other larger projects outside of downtown.

And I don't think we need a thread for every new project, rather region based threads. There is a difference between having a thread for other smaller suburban projects and creating a bunch of threads for other projects being built in the valley.

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

We can't talk about Sandy in the Salt Lake thread, but yet we also can't make threads about Sandy or other cities in the metro.
And how we are turning this thread into what should be about development now into what we think this thread should or should not be. Yea this is much better.

Who said you couldn't make another thread dealing with regions outside of Salt Lake? This is what we need to work out and that's all I'm saying. I don't see how an older, former city hall in Sandy belongs in a Salt Lake development thread. I think it clutters these threads and makes it far harder to find the meaty stuff, the stuff you and I come here for: high-rise and urban development. If need be, let's make this the Salt Lake thread and then create another thread for everything else in the valley/state. Then it's a win-win and we don't really clutter the board because it's only the creation of ONE thread.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

We could do that, but then there's people who bitch about there being too many threads.
We do however already have a Airport thread somewhere that we use sometimes. And delts just started a thread on the new Sandy project on 10600 that I guess we could use for any Sandy City news. Might not be a bad idea.
My understanding was that the Salt Lake thread was for the whole Metro/valley.

Exactly Projects , and the last time the complaint from I think two forumers, was that if we wanted to post some development that was in the
Salt Lake Valley, then we should always post it in the Salt Lake Development thread, "not create some new thread for it." It was even suggested that we should do away with the transit thread. So then what? For those couple of people who want to now exclude Sandy entirely, then we should start a Sandy thread?!?! So does that mean we need to start a Murray thread, a Holladay thread, and a West Valley thread too? Last time, I thought the mood was to eliminate all other individual threads, such as Sugarhouse, Sandy, Rad Aiports and all Salt Lake Valley development threads and put them into 'ONE SALT LAKE THREAD.'

As far as the complaint of too many full articles from the Tribune or Deseret News. Hmmm......, Of the last 20 pages and 400 posts, the facts are as follows

1. Of the past twenty forum pages and 400 posts there were only 2 posts with articles printed in full, of which none were either from the Des.News or the Trib. In almost every case of the 400 posts and posts with article links, there is a headline that is 'self explanatory,' to the point of being a, 'no brainer.' In other words, if your not interested, then move on. If you are offended by or loathe Sandy or Murray or Park City, then move on.
2. Only one of the articles was in regard to the airline merger. This article was from the Atlanta Journal.


I actually have no problem with Salt Lake Valley having it's own thread. The problem is that every time this type of argument comes up, there really is NO consesus of any kind. There's like one or two people who complain and want it one way, and a couple of others who want it completely different. The other 60 or so forumers seem to care less and are happy with the way things are. The overwhelming majority seem to be of the mode of thinking below.

Originally Posted by NYC Rick

It is amazing how the Mountain West section just dwarfs all of the other US areas in participation. More interesting and well written posts...not to mention the inner quality of discussion.

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[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

For you EVERY development is lame. No really the two years I have been on here I am still yet to read a comment of yours suporting a project. Hasn't happen yet.



Next, Shouldn't the Salt Lake thread be called the "Salt Lake downtown development thread" then? But like I said before there's a few of us that started other threads. ( Sandy stadium thread and Sandy 10600 thread. ) But then people like you start whining about how we now have too many threads and that we are spawling threads on this fourm. What do you want Cormade?
We can't talk about Sandy in the Salt Lake thread, but yet we also can't make threads about Sandy or other cities in the metro.
And how we are turning this thread into what should be about development now into what we think this thread should or should not be. Yea this is much better.



"annoying reading through things that are't really all that major." you mean kind of like this pointless debate we are having that is wasteing fourm space?

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

Ok? I think you have me confused with someone else, because I've been pumped for like 5 years now over development on this board. Hell, when it was just me and two or three Salt Lake forumers back in 2002, I was going crazy at the first news of the Zion Social Hall Center, I was balls out excited over the first draft of the new malls in '03, restless at no news on the mall development for years and again excited at the news of what we were getting. Yeah there are aspects I don't like about the project, but I'm still glad it's being built.

Let's not forget the fact I've commented on many of the smaller projects and residential development over the years. But yeah, believe what you want to believe, I guess.

It was, ask Viperlord, since he created this thread almost 2 years ago. The original thread was supposed to revolve around downtown development and on the rare occasion, other larger projects outside of downtown.

And I don't think we need a thread for every new project, rather region based threads. There is a difference between having a thread for other smaller suburban projects and creating a bunch of threads for other projects being built in the valley.

Who said you couldn't make another thread dealing with regions outside of Salt Lake? This is what we need to work out and that's all I'm saying. I don't see how an older, former city hall in Sandy belongs in a Salt Lake development thread. I think it clutters these threads and makes it far harder to find the meaty stuff, the stuff you and I come here for: high-rise and urban development. If need be, let's make this the Salt Lake thread and then create another thread for everything else in the valley/state. Then it's a win-win and we don't really clutter the board because it's only the creation of ONE thread.

Interesting Comrade, that what you might find mundane or not meaty enough, is probably something along the line of what many on this forum are most passionate about. Also, if you were really pumped about the many downtown developments, then as Projects asserted, "you have a very low key way of conveying it, LOL." You need to remember that. Again, it seems that the last time this was brought up, no one seemed to respond, and I flat out asked what people wanted. Most seem content with the status quo.

[T-Mac]

I like the thread the way it is. It's nice to hear about other projects outside of downtown here and not have to search multiple threads for them. If I were to comment on Davis County projects and not do it here, I would have no idea where to put them. For instance, I think that the development in the old gravel pit in North Salt Lake will get going strong this summer and I was planning on posting photos on this thread or possible the new Farmington Station, but know I don't know where to post them with all the griping going on.

[SLC Projects]

Ok guys I went ahead a make up a new thread for all non-downtown projects thoughtout the salt lake metro. This would include midvilley in the murray area and south valley in the sandy city area.
Hope this will work out for everyone.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by delts145

Interesting Comrade, that what you might find mundane or not meaty enough, is probably something along the line of what many on this forum are most passionate about. Also, if you were really pumped about the many downtown developments, then as Projects asserted, "you have a very low key way of conveying it, LOL." You need to remember that. Again, it seems that the last time this was brought up, no one seemed to respond, and I flat out asked what people wanted. Most seem content with the status quo.

I've been on this board for years. I've seen a lot of projects come and go, so now I get pumped without getting my hopes up. I've always been excited for the HP Tower and the City Creek projects, it's just year after year they were shelved for a few more years and it got old getting excited over something that kept being put on hold.

[RFPCME]

[QUOTE=SLCdave;3511066]I cannot fucking believe how defensive some people get. This is the Internet what is wrong with you people. Fighting and getting into childish temper tantrums over a discussion on the Internet.[/QUOTe

SLCdave: The irony of your comment is wonderful, but your point is well taken. I enjoy this thread because, unlike at lot of other threads around the country, the level of discussion is normally pretty high.

Now I'm going to take the discussion pretty low...we need an acronym for Downtown SLC (e.g., SOHO in NYC, south of Hudson Ave., LODO in Denver, lower Denver). Downtown Salt Lake is too much of a mouthful; downtown too common. I won't bother you with my attempts at a catchy, hip acronym. They are all lame. But some witty person out there must have an answer. It would be a great way to separate the downtown discussion from all the rest.

Of course, if the Salt Palace keeps expanding at its current rate, we could just refer to the area as the Calvin L. Rampton Memorial Convention Center and Downtown.

[ski_steve]

Originally Posted by T-Mac

I like the thread the way it is. It's nice to hear about other projects outside of downtown here and not have to search multiple threads for them. If I were to comment on Davis County projects and not do it here, I would have no idea where to put them. For instance, I think that the development in the old gravel pit in North Salt Lake will get going strong this summer and I was planning on posting photos on this thread or possible the new Farmington Station, but know I don't know where to post them with all the griping going on.

I agree

I enjoy hearing about all these news and new projects. I guess I don't really care where it all is, but it seems fine the way it is. In my opinion

[Scraperdude801]

I personally like the idea of thsi thread being for urban development between for DT salt lake and the area from 600 North to 2100 S. and 800 W. to 15 or 1600 E.

Then having a thread for the southern metro, murray, sandy, draper, Lehi and provo etc.

Then a thread fo Ogden, farmington, N. Salt Lake, etc. ... makes it easy to find and read about just the stuff you care about.

that's my 2 cents.

[UTvision]

[QUOTE=RFPCME;3511420]

Originally Posted by SLCdave

Now I'm going to take the discussion pretty low...we need an acronym for Downtown SLC (e.g., SOHO in NYC, south of Hudson Ave., LODO in Denver, lower Denver). Downtown Salt Lake is too much of a mouthful; downtown too common. I won't bother you with my attempts at a catchy, hip acronym. They are all lame. But some witty person out there must have an answer. It would be a great way to separate the downtown discussion from all the rest.

Well, I think that SLUT(Salt Lake Utah) is out. Maybe MODO(mormon downtown). Thats all I have, for now...

As far as the giant Salt Palace, the diagram from the downtown master plan outlining the Salt Palace was in the DRAFT of the master plan and under the picture it stated it needed to be updated. So, I wouldn't pay too much attention to it yet. However, the Salt Palace would be nearly impossible to build up, but it would work to build residential/office towers on top of it. Maybe the roof could be a giant park/greenspace.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by RFPCME

Now I'm going to take the discussion pretty low...we need an acronym for Downtown SLC (e.g., SOHO in NYC, south of Hudson Ave., LODO in Denver, lower Denver). Downtown Salt Lake is too much of a mouthful; downtown too common. I won't bother you with my attempts at a catchy, hip acronym. They are all lame. But some witty person out there must have an answer. It would be a great way to separate the downtown discussion from all the rest.

DSLUT?

[Viperlord]

I had this in mind...

Utah: Downtown Salt Lake, S. Salt Lake, Sugarhouse: Dev. Threadthis thread would include everything Salt Lake City Proper, and basically the area north of I-80

Utah:Wasatch Front; Everything from Ogden area down to Provo area Dev. Thread This thread would involve the Provo area, The remaining SLC metro area, and the Ogden area.

Utah:Everything outside the Wasatch Front Dev. Thread This thread would include places like Logan, Tooele, Cedar City, St George etc.

Salt Lake Transit thread This could be changed to a Utah transit thread maybe to cover all of Utah.

Utah Conversation thread This thread would be for anything non-development related. Basically a catch all thread. Ask forumers about college, life, and other utah topics, like green jello, utah weather, politics, religion etc.

I dont have a problem with the constuction threads, and also with CCC having its own thread. but I would hope that the construction threads dont go too overboard. lol.

I would also hope that on the front page of these threads we could get a running list of projects, and keep them updated. That would be pretty sweet.

Well, I am open for opinions.....

I ask to save on confusion...please do not start any new threads like I have mentioned above until we can decide on what we are doing, if we decide to make any changes at all.

To me it is amazing to see how the forum has grown over the 5 years or so I have been on this board. I hope I am not stepping on too many people's toes here, and if I am I want you to know that my intent is not to slash and gash your thoughts, and ideas. I also hope that we can keep things professional, and keep having the company of as many of you development enthusiasts as possible.

I thank you for your time, and cooperation.

Sincerely,

-Viperlord