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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 2:49 PM
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^^^ and that's the great thing about this building. Because the financing is already secured, the struggling economy hurt it as much. And, actually building the building will = jobs at a time when they are needed.
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^^^ and that's the great thing about this building. Because the financing is already secured, the struggling economy hurt it as much. And, actually building the building will = jobs at a time when they are needed.
As excited as I am about this, the financing is not already secured. They have some money from a pension fund but they are not a bank. You need a bank to be willing to commit capital to the project at a reasonable rate of return...something that is extremely difficult at the moment
     
     
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Great looking tower. It looks alot like the Freedom tower in NYC, but nonetheless it would really propel Philly's already nice skyline.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 7:16 PM
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Ah-hah! The truth comes out!
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Joe Grasso, the elder of the two brudders, is also the man behind the ambitious American Commerce Center.

And David Grasso is the dude behind “The Vine” aka 1601 Vine Street in Franklintown, which is trying to get off the ground this summer, with an Intercontinental Hotel, a massive new Whole Foods, a Best Buy and a REI.
The ACC has funding and only needs (er-hem) the Zoning Board and Darrell Clarke's approval before steel can start rising; 1601 Vine (I think) has the zoning, but needs the funding.
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 11:19 PM
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I'd like our next tall building to go to 76 floors because...just because. Philadelphia has been stuck in the 60s in more ways than one.
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As excited as I am about this, the financing is not already secured. They have some money from a pension fund but they are not a bank. You need a bank to be willing to commit capital to the project at a reasonable rate of return...something that is extremely difficult at the moment
As i recal this pension fund has a couple BILLION dollars associated with it....I don't think the 800 million or so would be much of a strain on it....but hey I'm not in finance so what do i know....
     
     
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As i recal this pension fund has a couple BILLION dollars associated with it....I don't think the 800 million or so would be much of a strain on it....but hey I'm not in finance so what do i know....
You think a retirement fund with a couple billion dollars would make a decision to put up $800 million dollars on a single real estate project? That is truly insane thinking. They are most likely an equity partner with the developer - which still requires the vast majority of that $800 million to be put up by an entity that makes actual loans. Those are called banks
     
     
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Pension funds do occasionally sink huge sums of money into construction, but I've never heard of one entirely funding a tower. The Ontario Teachers pension fund paid for the construction of a toll highway in Nova Scotia, for example. In these jittery economic times I seriously doubt that they would put all their eggs in one basket.

If the TD rumors have any truth, and I sure hope they do, they have pockets that are plenty deep for a project like this. TD has roughly $275 billion in assets so an $800 million investment would amount to about 0.03%.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2008, 4:18 PM
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I was under the impression that funding was not a major issue for this project, but I could have misunderstood.
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Funding is one of the better strengths going for it. A tenant is need whether you have funding or not.
     
     
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I wanted to see what the status is from both the developer and also the city... Is Darrell Clarke looking to approve this anytime soon? Anyone know what his position on it is? Also, are there any rumors in terms of time table for TD to make a decision on using ACC as its Corporate HQ? Lastly, I read a long time ago that the developer for this project was going to make a sales pitch and wanted to see what he was going to do next in terms of continuing his sales pitch to making this project a reality? Anyone have updates?
     
     
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nice to see another proposal so soon. even though the money is there to build it, if there are no tenents then they cant very build it, can they.
i love the hotel portion though, i just wish the spire were redone, hopefully in new renderings we will see some slight design changes. i sure hope they get this built though!
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nice to see another proposal so soon. even though the money is there to build it, if there are no tenents then they cant very build it, can they.
i love the hotel portion though, i just wish the spire were redone, hopefully in new renderings we will see some slight design changes. i sure hope they get this built though!
In an article done a few weeks ago by everyone's favorite Philly Inquirer reporter, the architects indicated that the details of the facade still need to be designed. I bet the spire is going to be tweaked...if everyone and their mother has commented about the old freedom tower resemblance just on this forum, i can only imagine what the architects are hearing from potential tenants, banks, etc. and I'd be willing to bet that their inspiration was certainly influenced by that old design subconsciously. I love the design right now, and it makes me excited to think that it'll will probably only get better

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For anyone who hasn't seen this article yet, Plan Philly has a great report on a recent meeting with the PCPC involving the ACC:

http://www.planphilly.com/node/3021
     
     
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In an article done a few weeks ago by everyone's favorite Philly Inquirer reporter, the architects indicated that the details of the facade still need to be designed. I bet the spire is going to be tweaked...if everyone and their mother has commented about the old freedom tower resemblance just on this forum, i can only imagine what the architects are hearing from potential tenants, banks, etc. and I'd be willing to bet that their inspiration was certainly influenced by that old design subconsciously. I love the design right now, and it makes me excited to think that it'll will probably only get better
I certainly hope so. I vote for extensive re-tweaking but support the construction effort wholeheartedly. But enough of our New York mimicry.

My first impression of Liberty One was "Oh, a baby Chrysler Building!" And, when the Bell Atlantic slab (um..tower) was topped off, I thought "an homage to 30 Rockefeller Center." I was excited by the proposal of the ACC, but to recycle another New York proposal renders us somewhat deficient in the originality category. For that, you'd have to (IMHO) go back to the construction of our beloved PSFS Building, which was our last truly innovative contribution to the history of urban architecture.

I wish I had the Photoshop skills to show you what I mean. But, I don't. If the spire would rise from the center of the tower (rather than a knitting needle SuperGlued to the side), it would impart a crowning achievement rather than "Hey, guess what I look like!"
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2008, 9:24 PM
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For anyone who hasn't seen this article yet, Plan Philly has a great report on a recent meeting with the PCPC involving the ACC:

http://www.planphilly.com/node/3021
This is an excellent article.
The hotels PDF attached to it (this) is also an excellent document.
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From today's globest.com

http://www.globest.com/news/1148_1148/philadelphia/170366-1.html

1,500-Foot Philly Tower Inches Toward Reality
By Paul Bubny
PHILADELPHIA-The 975-foot Comcast Center at 1701 John F. Kennedy Blvd. in Center City could soon be dwarfed by a nearby tower half again as tall. An informational presentation before the Philadelphia City Planning Commission Tuesday was another step toward eventually getting approvals for Walnut Street Capital’s proposed 1,500-foot, mixed-use American Commerce Center at 1800 Arch St. If completed, it would be one of the 10 tallest buildings in the world.
"We are actively engaged in working with potential tenants" for the ACC project, Peter Kelsen, a land use attorney representing the developer, tells GlobeSt.com. "We have a joint venture partner on board and we don’t see any issue with financing once we get the entitlements and the tenants signed up. These two aspects are moving forward and have been for quite some time, and look pretty positive. We have not concluded the entitlement stage yet and that’s what we’re beginning to do in terms of the formal city process. Tuesday’s meeting was one prerequisite for that."

Walnut Street in mid-March revealed plans for the project, which is being designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox. It would include a 63-story office tower with 1.3 million sf, a 26-story hotel and more than 300,000 sf of retail space above and below street level. The announcement came five months after Verizon’s sale of the 1.5-acre parcel at 1800 Arch to Walnut Street, reportedly in partnership with a Washington State pension fund. The site is across the street from the Comcast Center, and last October Joseph Grasso, head of Walnut Street, told GlobeSt.com that the Comcast tower was “deserving of a better neighbor” than the parking lot that had occupied the parcel since 1992.

Kelsen, a partner with the Philadelphia office of Blank Rome LLP, says the reception from the city and community representatives thus far has been "overwhelmingly positive. There are a couple of individuals who live close to the property that have expressed concerns, which we’re addressing." These concerns include traffic flow and construction management, says Kelsen, adding. "I would say the vast majority of comments we’re getting back are favorable. It’s fair to say that the reception we’ve been getting from the city has been encouraging, and we’re pleased by that."

In terms of the project’s office component, Walnut Street hopes to attract "a headquarters user, someone who would want to be in a modern building, a unique building for Philadelphia. Our office component is about 1.3 million sf, so figure someone who’s going to come in for 500,000 sf or so as an anchor."

Tenants are being lined up for the retail component as well. While declining to give specific names, Kelsen says they’ll include a nationally known home furnishings retailer, a health club chain, an upscale supermarket and a high-end restaurant. There will also be an upscale movie theater/foodservice concept, with eight auditoriums each seating no more than about 20 patrons. "The concept comes out of Australia and has been used on the West Coast extensively," says Kelsen.

He says the hotel is planned as a "five-star" operation and has drawn interest from several leading brands. It will offer 300-plus keys along with banquet and meeting facilities.

Once approvals are obtained, Kelsen says, Walnut Street hopes to begin construction in 2009 and complete the project by late 2012. Before this can occur, the company will need to surmount some zoning hurdles, according to published reports. The site is zoned for high-density commercial use of up to one million sf, but Walnut Street will need to persuade the city and planning commission to sign off on greater density. There is also a height restriction for an area including the site, which Walnut Street reportedly will seek to have lifted.

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Finally some news. Good, it's progressing.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2008, 3:17 AM
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"There is also a height restriction for an area including the site, which Walnut Street reportedly will seek to have lifted."

I can't remember where I read this, but I thought according to the initial reports - either by Brad over at PhillySkyline.com or by our favorite reporter in the whole wide world from The Inquirer - that there were no height restrictions for this parcel as deemed by zoning and that the restriction only had to do with square footage. Did anyone else share that perception?

Both articles were great, but I think the planphilly one was definitely superior. It didn't mask the difficult reality of figuring out how to manage traffic on those relatively tiny and obstacle-bounded streets; the supermarket is going to generate constant vehicular traffic throughout the day irrespective of the commuters and travelers that may only emerge from the tower (via car) during rush hour.
     
     
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