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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 5:34 PM
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That plan, produced in 2005, said the low-income community that lives in 10,000 residential-hotel and social-housing units be preserved and that the neighbourhood remain predominantly low-income.
Interesting policy.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 6:15 PM
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More media coverage on the protest at 58 W Hastings. Insteresting that Concord choose not to ask for more density, maybe they forsaw problems.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...2be3-e7dd-42dc-9b08-85b6d6a8e72d&k=96360

Condo project targeted by activists
Concord Pacific building at Hastings and Carrall stalled by Carnegie Community Action Project

Frances Bula, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, April 24, 2008

VANCOUVER - A Concord Pacific project in the booming Downtown Eastside has become the first to be targeted by local activists who are gearing for an anti-condo war.
The 154-unit Greenwich condo project -- which is being built near Hastings and Carrall in the middle of what has been the city's drug market, scavenging centre and residential-hotel enclave -- has found itself temporarily stalled as area advocates protest a technical glitch in the approval process.
But those advocates say they're willing to try to make a test case out of the project to highlight concerns about the onslaught of condos in a neighbourhood that has been traditionally the home for the region's poorest.
"It's kind of like a good target for us. And Concord, they've made their money in Vancouver," says Wendy Pedersen of the Carnegie Community Action Project.
She said the group, which has meetings scheduled with city planners today, is going to demand the city start taking action to enforce its own Downtown Eastside housing plan.
That plan, produced in 2005, said the low-income community that lives in 10,000 residential-hotel and social-housing units be preserved and that the neighbourhood remain predominantly low-income.
There is also a general provision in the plan that the city should "monitor the housing mix" and "develop tools to manage the rate of change, if necessary."
The report's statistics said there were 2,000 market condos in the area but a recent tally by the housing department showed that 1,600 new condo units had been approved since 2005, with construction of those projects stretching to 2010.
Pedersen said there are now three condos being built for every one social-housing unit and the neighbourhood is being overwhelmed.
Concord Pacific's senior vice-president of development, Peter Webb, said that he understands the strategy the activists are using and he even sympathizes with their desire to make their case.
"I believe they need to make their voices heard."
But he said there's nothing in city policies that could prevent the company from building, since it has not asked for any extra density or a rezoning.
It is building according to what the current zoning allows for height and density, which means there are no grounds to deny a development permit.
But, he acknowledged, "from the development perspective, it's worrisome. It's key that a developer has a good relationship with the community."
Ironically, the only additional feature the project has that the city could turn down is a request to transfer 10,000 square feet of density to the Concord project from a social-housing site owned by the Portland Hotel Society. The density transfer will give the society money needed to do necessary renovations on a building that will eventually house low-income residents.
Concord had at one point considered asking the city for significant additional density, for which it had been willing to provide some low-income units in the project. But Webb said the company abandoned that idea when it became clear that it was going to take city planners some time to decide on an overall policy about trading density for social housing.
Unfortunately to the dismay of activists, successful communities are ones that are inclusive to all, meaning a balance between market and social housing as well as tolerating and respecting the presence and opinions of people with different incomes. DTES is no exception.

While policies need to be adopted to protect the integrity of DTES given its special circumstances as the skid row for many years (mainly upgrading the quality and aesthetics of the area's social housing stock so residents will not get discriminated just because they live in there), however their reasoning is on the borderline of envy + NIMBY.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 7:03 PM
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ugh, what the fuck is wrong with these people. they dont want to be discriminated against but they turn around and descriminate against upper middle class people. another thing that bugs me is that the hastings street area has NOT been traditionally poor, it was once one of the most prominent streets in vancouver and its time that we take it back and restore it to what it was.
if they dont want to get shoved out of the area go get a job that pays enough to buy something. and if they cant afford anything then i guess they have to move, its called capitalism, free market, this is NOT commie land. i have no patience for these people.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 8:06 PM
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if its not one thing its another, have you ever listen to a drug addict he or she ALWAYS WANTS no matter what
they WANT THIS THEY WANT THAT, it is never ENOUGH,
so APF DTES and ACTIVIST are acting like drug addicts never content may as well include soon to come NYMBIES

THIS is too much FTA get my drift
     
     
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Either a pro or a con depending on how you want to look at it, but the last rail crane is being removed today from the Convention Centre, so no more cranes there. But that means we're getting closer to completion.
     
     
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Talking about "cranes", the Flatiron is down and the Ritz one is coming down.
Nice to get a sense of normality when looking up.
     
     
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Thnaks.

Grab a shot of the north face of the Hotel Georgia next time you're there - the removable brick work is interesting.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 6:48 AM
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^yea i noticed that as well.
     
     
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random updates from yesterday

raffles (turning out much better than expected!)






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hoarding going up around hotel georgia


     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 2:54 PM
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ugh, what the fuck is wrong with these people. they dont want to be discriminated against but they turn around and descriminate against upper middle class people. another thing that bugs me is that the hastings street area has NOT been traditionally poor, it was once one of the most prominent streets in vancouver and its time that we take it back and restore it to what it was.
if they dont want to get shoved out of the area go get a job that pays enough to buy something. and if they cant afford anything then i guess they have to move, its called capitalism, free market, this is NOT commie land. i have no patience for these people.
You're an ignorant jack-ass.
     
     
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The four seasons is undergoing multi phased renovations, what you see there is just an ongoing continuation of that. the rooms will be the last thing to be done... some time post summer I would think. I'll look into what is being done now to the base.

Good to see hoarding up around the hotel georgia, I for one am really excited about this project, and I think I have finally moved on and gotten over the loss of the crystal tower. 999 Seymour also excites me, this design could really usher ina new condo look for the city if it turns out well. Also 999 Seymour... do I smell another "Last chance at yaletown" marketing campaign reving up?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 3:56 PM
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Thanks a lot for the photo updates SFU and Delirium!

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this design could really usher ina new condo look for the city if it turns out well.
That's just what I was thinking (hoping?) as I looked at Delirium's photo. Even the basic rendering on the signage looks great. It will definitely be a unique looking project for the city anyways.
     
     
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GM Place office tower cancelled

     
     
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You're an ignorant jack-ass.
well thats not very nice

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 5:12 PM
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thats frustrating. especially when all we seem to hear about is how vancouver has he lowest vacancy rate in canada and yet we cant build a tower because we cant find tenants
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 5:22 PM
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thats frustrating. especially when all we seem to hear about is how vancouver has he lowest vacancy rate in canada and yet we cant build a tower because we cant find tenants
The problem is you can't just compare vacancy rates, cuz the vancouver market has no depth....it might be low vacancy now, but the market still can't absorb a ton of new space.
     
     
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We can't find tenants because of the high prices, not because of the depth of our economy. This is not a sign of a weak economy so much as it is a sign of an absoultey ludicrous construction market. There is so much going on right now it has caused an extreme labour shortage. This, combined with through the roof material prices has created an unsustainable construction market that has caused the demise of many projects; this is just one in a long list.

That is why this project was not canned however, but merely postponed until the prices come down a bit. When a few major projects begin to wrap up (read canada line, convention centre, sea to sky etc...) the prices should sink down to more reasonable levels and we should see this development and a few more start up. I know for a fact that there are a few large proposals waiting for the construction market to cool down before moving ahead becuase it is simply too expensive to build right now, and it is much more economical to wait a year or two and save the money.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 25, 2008, 5:42 PM
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I've been saying that for awhile but everyone keeps pointing to our low vacancy rates, wait until the boom is over to see how quickly it spikes. When the time is right office space will be built, but not any sooner. I'll let the experts decide when that time is.

Besides if he waits a bit he won't need to help pay for the Stadium station extension as it's planned to go ahead regardless. I'm sure that doesn't have any bearing on the desicion but it's a nice bonus.
     
     
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