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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 3:41 AM
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you didn't hear it from me, but it MIGHT specialize in them ribs that is..
and it is a 95% done deal i believe, i know the guy doing it.
better management, service, cook, atmosphere, etc.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 4:13 AM
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This news is more exciting than a skyscraper, because it will actually create some vibrance!
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 4:35 AM
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you didn't hear it from me, but it MIGHT specialize in them ribs that is..
and it is a 95% done deal i believe, i know the guy doing it.
better management, service, cook, atmosphere, etc.

Awww-man, I bet he's talking about Dreamland...

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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 4:51 AM
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When do you guys think that we (the public) will learn more details about the "tremendous announcement" which is the lower Dexter Statehouse plan that the city and county pitched to the state?
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 12:33 PM
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the possibility has been announced but the decision hasn't been made yet. when the legislators have a vote about whether to build it or not and where it is going to go i imagine we will see it announced.
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 12:44 PM
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the legislature is tied up on the definition of gambling right now


BTW, there's an article in today's Advertiser that we're losing another 200 jobs or so from Regions.

We were all worried about BRAC and getting Hyundai.... but the truth of the matter is that Regions has royally screwed over Montgomery.
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haha I was thinking the same thing....dreamland...
ding, ding, ding ... we have a winner
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 1:13 PM
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i'll let you know as soon as it goes public and when it is going to open
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2008, 8:11 PM
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New Building on I-65 south

Someone recently asked me about a 10 to 12 story building being built about 5 miles south of the Hyundai building on I-65. I had no clue what it might be. Anyone know what this is? He said it seemed out of place. He thought it might be a hotel.
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Someone recently asked me about a 10 to 12 story building being built about 5 miles south of the Hyundai building on I-65. I had no clue what it might be. Anyone know what this is? He said it seemed out of place. He thought it might be a hotel.
Are you speaking of the Atmore casino complex?
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Are you speaking of the Atmore casino complex?
That was my thought as well. BUT, that would be about 115 miles south of the Hyundai plant...
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Interesting. Here's another one of these huge neighborhoods coming soon. That makes Hampstead, New park, The Waters (I guess), and now Hudson.

I know we don't talk much about these things on this thread, but this is a huge development with some heavy hitters involved in its progress.
...Probably should have its own thread.




'A sense of place'
By David Zaslawsky • April 22, 2008


MONTGOMERY - In so many ways, on so many levels, Hudson is unlike any other residential development in Montgomery.


Its size is imposing: 2,100-plus acres, which means that you could fit the entire site of Hyundai's manufacturing plant in Montgomery on Hudson land and still have nearly 360 acres left over.

Its projected cost of $2.5 billion is the equivalent of the Hyundai plant and its expansion of a second engine plant ($1.4 billion) and the cost of the Kia plant in West Point, Ga., on the Alabama border ($1 billion).

Hudson will feature 1,300 acres of undeveloped land, which is larger than The Waters' 1,250-acre residential development and nearly as large as the 1,400-plus acre New Park residential development.

Over a 20-year period, 10,000-15,000 people are expected to live at Hudson's 3,000-plus units in East Montgomery, which is situated between The Waters and the 416-acre Hampstead residential development, which will have 1,800 units.

But what truly sets Hudson apart from other developments is not size or capital investment. Hudson is being developed as a town, formed by a series of neighborhoods as well as farm facilities, cattle facilities, equestrian facilities, school facility, recreational facilities and nearly 7 miles of trails throughout the community.

What other residential development in the River Region is a working beef cattle ranch or will offer farm-to-table food at an upscale restaurant at an inn?

"The site is big enough so we are able to design a town comprised of neighborhoods that demonstrate the full progression from a small, urban village center to rural farm estates and open woodlands, pastures and restored prairie lands," said Nick Murray, project executive for Denver-based Urban Villages, who is guiding the project along with Chad Adams, director of land development for the firm.

Urban Villages has "pulled together one of the strongest teams of town planners and ecological designers ever assembled to work on a new town," Murray said.

That team includes town planners Dover Kohl & Partners, which also was responsible for downtown Montgomery's revitalization plan; Andropogon Associates, an ecological design firm in Philadelphia; and Jeff Speck, a former director of town planning for Duany Plater-Zyberk and former director of design of the National Endowment for the Arts.

Those heavy hitters along with Urban Villages are transforming the 3.3-square-mile property into something unique not only to Montgomery, but has caught the attention of Yale University's graduate School of Forestry and Environmental Studies as well as Auburn University's College of Agriculture, Design and Construction. Both the universities are using Hudson as "an ongoing case study," according to Murray.

"What we're selling is community and place," Adams said. "We are trying to create a real place. We are not doing 'Dreamy Acres Farm. We've tried to plan as much as possible - why would a place grow here? What would be the triggers -- economical, cultural and physical aspects that would shape and inform how you would do it?

"The real goal here is to create place because so much of the country is placeless. How can we bring out what is best about the place and reveal it, amplify it and accentuate it? We see this as a way to really put Montgomery and Alabama on the world stage in terms of forward thinking and planning."It has been a painstakingly approach. The town of Hudson was designed around the land - the critical component of the development. The idea was to preserve the surroundings.

"All of the design and planning work pursued to date has been with the intent of a pretty extensive understanding of the site conditions - trying to understand the topography, the hydrogeology, vegetation and habitat corridors," Murray said.

"The entire town of Hudson is designed around all of the distinct vegetation and greenways that are here. Furthermore, it's designed in such a way that it can strengthen and even restore the landscape."

The land was so carefully studied that a helicopter with laser sets was used. Adams said the result was a 6-inch topography of Hudson instead of viewing one-foot or two-foot contour intervals.

The measurements were so precise that "we know where every little undulation is," Adams said. "We have the heights on all vegetation on the property. We know that if a drop of water ends up on the property - we know what direction it's going to go - anywhere on the property."

That attention detail led the team to plan neighborhoods, roads and buildings "in a way that they are best fitting with the existing land," Adams said. "We are fitting the town into the place rather than just making it a moonscape and that allows us to protect just about every tree that's on the property. The plan is to minimize the amount of disturbance that we do on the site."

Of course, that attention to detail will also be applied to the homes at Hudson. Construction on the first homes will be in 2009, Murray said, but infrastructure work will begin this year.
Murray said that the homes "will incorporate intimate and private outdoor spaces," modern floor plans and conveniences, energy-efficient and "be rooted in timeless architectural styles."

Home prices will range from the high $100,000s to close to $1 million. Single-family detached homes will range from 1,300 square feet to 3,700-plus square feet with prices from the mid-$200,000 to $750,000-plus. Murray said there will be townhouses, lofts and apartments from 1,000 square feet to 1,550 square feet and prices from the high $100,000s to $300,000. Hudson will also offer apartments for rent, ranging from 800-1,200 square feet.

Each neighborhood will feature elderly living accommodations. Murray said the development is focusing on "age-in-place housing designs." He said the current trend is for people to want to age in their home.

"We want dignity for the aging population," Adams said. "We don't want to send someone off to a home - we want them to be part of the community as much as they want to be. That's part of the town fabric. As long as they are able to walk, they can walk down to the corner store with dignity and get what they need for their daily needs."

Murray and Adams stress that the town of Hudson will be multigenerational with an aging population mingling with children walking to an elementary school on the property.

"(Hudson) is a place where you can live throughout different life stages and it is equally suited to someone with young children," Murray said.

"The neighborhoods will have distinctive size, shape, character and feel," Adams said. "One thing we've seen in traditional neighborhood developments is that too much of a good thing is too much. You have to diversify the density and the form in order to create a real place."

The neighborhoods will feature key civic buildings, meeting halls, parks and amphitheaters, according to Murray.
He said there will be corner shops, live-work units, small commercial spaces in the neighborhoods and retail space for restaurants, banks and boutiques.

"We will have all the amenities of any good urban center," Adams said. "In terms of quality, it will be very high across the board and the relationship to nature will be such that you will have access in close proximity, but you don't have to be a part of it if you don't want to. We are not forcing it upon the people. We are providing it as an opportunity."

Murray said one of the first construction projects at Hudson is the farm compound: barn and farm manager's house. But don't get the wrong impression.

"To be clear, this is not meant to be hokey rustic," Adams said. "We are going to have world-class restaurants - real high-end stuff. It's just that we're working with the place to create the meaning for the town."

Murray explained what Hudson is all about.

"The more we looked at the Montgomery community, we realized that it's rapidly losing its rural lands. We thought the opportunity with this land is how do you really design a community that allows through the sales of homes - allows the Hudsons to harvest value in the land - but at the same time preserve and enhance the landscape here in a broad community sense and connect people with the heritage of the land. That's in a nutshell of what we're trying to do."

Murray said that after Fitz Hudson's father, Jerry Hudson, died the family was reviewing their options.

"Our firm began working with them to evaluate whether there was an opportunity to pursue a legacy development project. They've had a really long ownership of this land and it is a beautiful site and something they feel very passionately about.

"While they want to harvest some value in the land, they feel passionately about preserving what they see as a beautiful piece of land and also doing some great for the Montgomery community.

"So we began working with them to evaluate whether there would be an opportunity to pursue a legacy development approach here: How could they create something of enduring value and perhaps something of real good for the broader community?"

David Zaslawsky is editor of the Central Alabama Business Journal. You can call him at (334) 230-2225 or e-mail at [email protected]

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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 12:42 PM
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I sure would love for somebody to throw that kind of money at downtown residential....

Article from the Advertiser on the Lunch Trolley.... OCA couldn't seem to find one the other day

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Out to lunch
After a year, trolley still on the move


When the weather is warm, the diners get on board.

The Lunch Trolley Express hit the road a year ago today and the free ride has been bumpy at times, ridership figures show. Passengers hopped on in the pleasant spring and summer months but stayed away during the cold and dreary fall and winter.

Still, restaurant owners love the service and city officials remain committed to the project, though they will review it soon.

"We are hoping it will continue," said Kelvin Miller, who oversees the Montgomery Area Transit System. "It is a service we think is needed in the downtown area."

The city launched the lunch trolley service when it re-opened Court Square, a roundabout in the heart of downtown closed seven months for a $1.3 million redesign and restoration.

Three trolleys carry paid passengers throughout downtown. Transit officials can't determine the cost of the service because the city already operated the trolleys.

Two of the trolleys run 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. weekdays in an area bounded by Ripley and Jefferson streets, Washington Avenue and Goldthwaite Street. They pass each of the route's more than 20 stops every 10 to 15 minutes, according to lunchtrolleyexpress.com, a Web site about the service.

Near the route, on Dexter Avenue, is Boomer T's Bar-B-Q. In all, more than 30 eateries are either along or near the route. The cuisine ranges from pub fare and fast food to Chinese, Thai and Mexican.

"I am all for it," said Larry "Boomer" Strichik. "I am happy to have it."

Monica Williams settled on Martha's Place on Sayre Street for lunch after browsing through menus in a rack on the trolley and asking the driver for his recommendation.

A thumbs-up from the trolley drivers certainly has helped business at Boomer T's.

"The drivers really go out of their way to get people to come up here," he said.

For Williams, the ride Tuesday -- her second -- was just fine.

"It was just a good way to get around," she said.

Tourism official Dawn Hathcock hears kind words about the trolley often.

"The restaurants like it," said Hathcock, vice president of the Montgomery Convention and Visitors Bureau. "They say it has helped them."

Boomer's Strichik, though, thinks there's room to improve the service. He wants the route changed because the closest stop to his place is a block away, at Court Square.

"We are not getting the business," he said.

The city is open to changing the route if it helps more businesses, according to Jeff Downes, executive assistant to Mayor Bobby Bright.

Less than a month after the trolley started running,
Downes told the Montgomery Advertiser that the city had received suggestions for minor route changes.

At that same time, the trolleys averaged more than 100 riders a day. The numbers pleased Bright, but he also made it clear he would pull the plug if the service wasn't popular.

The mayor, Downes and transit officials will be the ones conducting a one-year evaluation of the service. No date has been set for the meeting.

Ridership, according to Downes, has increased since the Renaissance Montgomery Hotel & Spa at the Convention Center opened in February.

Downes also pointed out several restaurants are expected to open downtown in the coming months and years.

"We are looking to see how downtown matures and having a growing ridership," he said.
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Article from the Advertiser on the Lunch Trolley.... OCA couldn't seem to find one the other day
Thank goodness the walk from the Folsom Administrative Building to Smoothies-N-Things was a pleasant one. Thoraudio is correct, my timing and the trolley timing was definetly off. However the trolley did come by just as we sat down outside the cafe for lunch...
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I'd like to jump to the Alleyway. I really like how the major contributors are trying to make the location, tenants, & eateries TRULY ALABAMA. It starts with the possibility of Dreamland. My father mentioned a great idea, that the Capital Oyster Bar should move down there. It's such a figure of Montgomery, & carries a catchy name that would make a location Downtown truly unique. Out of all this construction, towers, buildings, etc--this project ignites some REAL EXCITEMENT about Downtown revitalization.
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Are you speaking of the Atmore casino complex?
At first I thought he was talking about the Atmore casino because he is not familiar with Alabama. However, he said it was about five miles south of Montgomery. I've got to go to Mobile for business in June so I can check it out then. He did say that it was a good location for the airport and Hyundai. I'll try to find out more info.
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maybe he fell asleep between Atmore and Montgomery? that is a pretty boring drive
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At first I thought he was talking about the Atmore casino because he is not familiar with Alabama. However, he said it was about five miles south of Montgomery. I've got to go to Mobile for business in June so I can check it out then. He did say that it was a good location for the airport and Hyundai. I'll try to find out more info.

I just went to Mobile a couple of weeks ago. The Atmore Casino is the only thing of height between the Gump and Mobile.

Side note: Stayed in the Battle House Hotel....very nice!
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article from WSFA.com concerning impact of the Convention Center.

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Renaissance Hotel's Impact On Montgomery Business District Two Months After Opening

It's lunch time at Cuco's Mexican diner, two blocks away from the Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center.

"We've been busy," said waitress Carol Kelley.

Kelley guesses Cuco's has seen about 20% increase in business and she credits the hotel.

"We get employees and some of their visitors," Kelley said.

A different story altogether at the Hank Williams Museum. They're singing the blues even though the museum is just right across the street from the Renaissance.

"I'm a little disappointed," said manager Beth Parker.

Parker thought by now she would have seen some kind of increase since the hotel's opening but she has an idea why that may be the case.

"Maybe it's the types of events they're having," said Parker.

Dawn Hathcock agrees saying, 'what appeals to one group may not appeal to another.'

It was of course impossible to interview every single business owner throughout the business district. Still, Hathcock insists more than a few have benefited since the hotel opened. In a move to spread the wealth so-to-speak, better signage is on the way on the interstates and within the city limits to help make it easier for travelers to find downtown.

"We're working with the city of Montgomery on a comprehensive signage package that will show visitors what we have to offer," said Hathcock, Executive Vice President of the Montgomery Convention and Visitor's Bureau.

Beth Parker, meantime, concedes it's probably a little too early to expect a throng of visitors to the museum but feels business will change for the better once summer rolls around.

Some quick facts about the Renaissance since it opened in February:

*18,000 guests have stayed overnight.

*51,000 visitors have attended events or visited the hotel.

*Visitors have spent just under 4 million dollars on food and lodging.
and, of course, the impact should grow, if/when larger conventions and shows at the MPAC start to appear with more regularity.
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I'd like to jump to the Alleyway. I really like how the major contributors are trying to make the location, tenants, & eateries TRULY ALABAMA. It starts with the possibility of Dreamland. My father mentioned a great idea, that the Capital Oyster Bar should move down there. It's such a figure of Montgomery, & carries a catchy name that would make a location Downtown truly unique. Out of all this construction, towers, buildings, etc--this project ignites some REAL EXCITEMENT about Downtown revitalization.
I think the owner, Lewis Mashburn, owns the building/land he's in now so I don't expect him to move. I wish it could happen since it's a great place and would fit in down there just right -- great food, live music, cold beer.

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