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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 11:03 PM
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Would this mean that the nice palm tree court above the current consession stand would be lost? I hate to be a nimby but that would be tough to lose... its an incredible spot to sit and enjoy a sunset.
     
     
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Protest at the Concord site in Hastings...

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Protest happening in the downtown eastside
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4/22/2008

There's a social housing protest this hour at 58 West Hastings.

A new plan for high-end condos in the downtown eastside has prompted advocates to put up three big signs asking DTES residents what they want.

Dozens of people showed up and wrote on the posters.

They're asking for artists' space, a food bank, but mostly social housing.

Organizers plan to forward their request to city hall.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 11:36 PM
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these people are such losers.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 22, 2008, 11:39 PM
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Great news about that English Bay restaurant!

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"I think that makes the beach less affordable," said West End resident Thea Jardine. "I know a lot of people who come down here with their kids.
She must have forgotten about Watermark's concession stand....iunno, but if you ask me the park board concession stand stuff is already quite expensive.
     
     
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^agreed. if affordability is a concern why dont they umm i dont know, pack a friggin lunch.
     
     
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I'm sure some of you would like to see the plans, anyways here they are, maybe someone can capture the image from the pdfs and insert them directly, but this will do for now.

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_L1_plan.pdf

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_L2_plan.pdf

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_RF_plan.pdf

On another plus, they voted in favour of relocating the road at Prospect Point....

STAFF REPORT

Prospect Point Parking Lot and Road Relocation
The Board approved the $907,869 contract be awarded to Grandview Blacktop for Prospect Point parking lot and road relocation. The new road alignment is part of the restoration of Stanley Park following the dramatic windstorms of December 2006 which severely damaged this popular tourist destination. The result will be improved aesthetics, an enhanced walking and viewing experience, and better drainage away from the escarpment above the Seawall. Landscape construction will be tendered separately. Repairs to the Seawall and all the changes at Prospect Point will be complete by November.

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Great news about that English Bay restaurant!



She must have forgotten about Watermark's concession stand....iunno, but if you ask me the park board concession stand stuff is already quite expensive.

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There is a Safeway and Extra Foods a mere block or 2 away from Davie and Denman. Plus 7-11 and Hot Dog Stands, etc etc TONES of options at that location downtown. TONES.
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2008, 3:08 AM
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There is a Safeway and Extra Foods a mere block or 2 away from Davie and Denman. Plus 7-11 and Hot Dog Stands, etc etc TONES of options at that location downtown. TONES.
Your opposition to something doesn't have to be logical at all. It just has to make a few people go... "Yeah, good point!" without thinking about it

Didn't you receive a copy of the handbook!?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 23, 2008, 3:15 AM
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Your opposition to something doesn't have to be logical at all. It just has to make a few people go... "Yeah, good point!" without thinking about it

Didn't you receive a copy of the handbook!?


hehehe ya I burned that book along with the NIMBY handbook I was given
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I'm sure some of you would like to see the plans, anyways here they are, maybe someone can capture the image from the pdfs and insert them directly, but this will do for now.

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_L1_plan.pdf

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_L2_plan.pdf

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/parks/board/2008/080428/english_bay_bistro_RF_plan.pdf

On another plus, they voted in favour of relocating the road at Prospect Point....

STAFF REPORT

Prospect Point Parking Lot and Road Relocation
The Board approved the $907,869 contract be awarded to Grandview Blacktop for Prospect Point parking lot and road relocation. The new road alignment is part of the restoration of Stanley Park following the dramatic windstorms of December 2006 which severely damaged this popular tourist destination. The result will be improved aesthetics, an enhanced walking and viewing experience, and better drainage away from the escarpment above the Seawall. Landscape construction will be tendered separately. Repairs to the Seawall and all the changes at Prospect Point will be complete by November.
Thanks for the update!
     
     
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This is a great idea. The more lively the better. The more choices the better.

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"I think that makes the beach less affordable," said West End resident Thea Jardine. "I know a lot of people who come down here with their kids.
Part of the experience is having something reasonable for the kids to eat. It's one of the few non-expensive places to hang out in Vancouver."
You have to wonder why they include comments like these. Is it because the journalist thinks he needs to show the pro side and the con side? Even though this woman's argument is absolutely assinine? Lady... bring some goddamn sandwiches for your brood.
     
     
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If the WCE had two tracks to worth with, it could run trains in both directions around the clock and I guarantee you that you'd have a ton more passengers. If they are able to get 10,000 passengers daily from just five trains in the morning and five trains in the evening, think of what increased frequency and bi-directional all-day service could achieve. The subsidies would also decrease.
     
     
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True, but the cost of expanding all of the right-of-ways to accomodate two tracks now would be prohibitively expensive. Think of all the land that would have to be expropriated at fair market value, all the signals that would have to be installed, all the road crossings that would need to be reworked to accomodate regular traffic (not a couple of trains per day), and the cost of rolling stock and track is not insignificant in itself.
There's a reason that Europe built trainlines back in the day when it was cheap
     
     
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If the WCE had two tracks to worth with, it could run trains in both directions around the clock and I guarantee you that you'd have a ton more passengers. If they are able to get 10,000 passengers daily from just five trains in the morning and five trains in the evening, think of what increased frequency and bi-directional all-day service could achieve. The subsidies would also decrease.
It probably won't be so pressing once they get the Evergreen Line in place. During peak hours, the two modes would complement each other and spread out the load, but during off hours, they'd probably compete with each other, and concerns of cannibalizing riders would be valid.

Run more Trainbuses instead.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2008, 1:11 AM
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It probably won't be so pressing once they get the Evergreen Line in place. During peak hours, the two modes would complement each other and spread out the load, but during off hours, they'd probably compete with each other, and concerns of cannibalizing riders would be valid.

Run more Trainbuses instead.
Yea, the old Translink's justification of building of LRT instead of SkyTrain because it would cannibalize WCE ridership was beyond retarded....they must've never heard of services complementing each other, and if more people take transit in the end isn't it worth it?
     
     
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quick UDP update

-Harbour Green 3 passed. It's tall, green, and expensive. It's also designed to achieve LEED Silver.
-Richards on Richards building passed. It's H+H meets Yaletown Park. Average in an 'amazing-in-any-other-city-but-run-of-the-mill-in-Vancouver' sort of way. Designed to achieve LEED Silver.
-Social housing on Howe beside Alto (the Odyssey site?) passed and it is amazing. Great design. Sustainability out the ying-yang. Designed to achieve LEED Gold.
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Yea, the old Translink's justification of building of LRT instead of SkyTrain because it would cannibalize WCE ridership was beyond retarded....they must've never heard of services complementing each other, and if more people take transit in the end isn't it worth it?
i was always under the impression that the WCE was a temporary fix and that someday it would be replaced with local transit or something smaller like an LRT

was that ever in the books?

i don't why i or where i heard that from
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i was always under the impression that the WCE was a temporary fix and that someday it would be replaced with local transit or something smaller like an LRT

was that ever in the books?

i don't why i or where i heard that from
The WCE is far from being a temporary fix, it's meant to be permanent, sustain growth, and expand service. It's also commuter rail, much faster and meant for long-distance trips. LRT is meant for much more local trips, though we've certainly made SkyTrain into a local/inter-urban/regional/commuter rail system.
     
     
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The WCE is far from being a temporary fix, it's meant to be permanent, sustain growth, and expand service. It's also commuter rail, much faster and meant for long-distance trips. LRT is meant for much more local trips, though we've certainly made SkyTrain into a local/inter-urban/regional/commuter rail system.
That's probably due to its entirely grade separated feature that it's muddled the line between local rapid transit and commuter rail. Whereas a system with street level sections that interacts with traffic would be too painfully slow to use over long distances and instead would go the other way and muddle the line between rapid transit and streetcar.

Here are the levels that I would categorize rail transit (with examples):

1. Transcontinental rail (VIA Canadian)
2. Regional intercity rail (Amtrak Cascades)
3. Commuter rail (West Coast Express)
4. Local rapid transit (Skytrain, C-Train)
5. Streetcar (S.L.U.T.)

The category around 4 is a bit muddled. I would say Skytrain is in the 4 category, though pushing towards 3, whereas the C-Train, which does run at street level, is pushing towards a 5.
     
     
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More media coverage on the protest at 58 W Hastings. Insteresting that Concord choose not to ask for more density, maybe they forsaw problems.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...2be3-e7dd-42dc-9b08-85b6d6a8e72d&k=96360

Condo project targeted by activists
Concord Pacific building at Hastings and Carrall stalled by Carnegie Community Action Project

Frances Bula, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, April 24, 2008

VANCOUVER - A Concord Pacific project in the booming Downtown Eastside has become the first to be targeted by local activists who are gearing for an anti-condo war.
The 154-unit Greenwich condo project -- which is being built near Hastings and Carrall in the middle of what has been the city's drug market, scavenging centre and residential-hotel enclave -- has found itself temporarily stalled as area advocates protest a technical glitch in the approval process.
But those advocates say they're willing to try to make a test case out of the project to highlight concerns about the onslaught of condos in a neighbourhood that has been traditionally the home for the region's poorest.
"It's kind of like a good target for us. And Concord, they've made their money in Vancouver," says Wendy Pedersen of the Carnegie Community Action Project.
She said the group, which has meetings scheduled with city planners today, is going to demand the city start taking action to enforce its own Downtown Eastside housing plan.
That plan, produced in 2005, said the low-income community that lives in 10,000 residential-hotel and social-housing units be preserved and that the neighbourhood remain predominantly low-income.
There is also a general provision in the plan that the city should "monitor the housing mix" and "develop tools to manage the rate of change, if necessary."
The report's statistics said there were 2,000 market condos in the area but a recent tally by the housing department showed that 1,600 new condo units had been approved since 2005, with construction of those projects stretching to 2010.
Pedersen said there are now three condos being built for every one social-housing unit and the neighbourhood is being overwhelmed.
Concord Pacific's senior vice-president of development, Peter Webb, said that he understands the strategy the activists are using and he even sympathizes with their desire to make their case.
"I believe they need to make their voices heard."
But he said there's nothing in city policies that could prevent the company from building, since it has not asked for any extra density or a rezoning.
It is building according to what the current zoning allows for height and density, which means there are no grounds to deny a development permit.
But, he acknowledged, "from the development perspective, it's worrisome. It's key that a developer has a good relationship with the community."
Ironically, the only additional feature the project has that the city could turn down is a request to transfer 10,000 square feet of density to the Concord project from a social-housing site owned by the Portland Hotel Society. The density transfer will give the society money needed to do necessary renovations on a building that will eventually house low-income residents.
Concord had at one point considered asking the city for significant additional density, for which it had been willing to provide some low-income units in the project. But Webb said the company abandoned that idea when it became clear that it was going to take city planners some time to decide on an overall policy about trading density for social housing.
     
     
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