CHICAGO | Boom rundown - everything over 12 floors. v5

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

^^^ North and Clyborn is constantly choked with cars, no one in their right mind would drive to use the retail there.

The reason its constantly choked with cars is because almost everyone drives to use the retail there. There is some usage of the 8, 72, and Red Line , but these are the minority on a mode share basis.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ I agree that is why there is so much traffic, but the roads in that area aren't going to be getting any wider so let them drive, the more people who drive the more choked off the roads will get and the more people who will be discouraged from driving. The benefit of that is the people who decide to drive anyhow get punished with extremely long waits in traffic.

Originally Posted by emathias

Where do you live again? Naperville? I've been there all hours of the night and while it's not State and Schiller, plenty of people "in their right mind" don't mind being there.

Where do you live? I will never live in a suburb, I've either lived in farm towns or dense urban areas my whole life. I live at Chicago and State (well one block north of there), I think I know that area pretty well, and that's still not the greatest area to hang out in late at night.

[Nowhereman1280]

Also I have an update on the next Loyola Watertower campus project. It is actually now two seperate buildings. One is loyola's new School of Bussiness Administration Building and the other is going to be apartments developed by a private developer. The actual classroom building is only going to be 9 stories ( ) but that should still put it close to highrise territory. It will take up about 1/4 of a block, the other half already has highrises and the remaining quarter will be the private apartment building.

Though its not going to be the 500' design that I spoke of earlier, the apartment building should be pretty tall, the only number I heard is 240 units. The building's foot print will only be 1/4 of a block so it should still be pretty tall, at least 30 floors.

[Taft]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Where do you live? I will never live in a suburb, I've either lived in farm towns or dense urban areas my whole life. I live at Chicago and State (well one block north of there), I think I know that area pretty well, and that's still not the greatest area to hang out in late at night.

Strongly disagree with this. There are bars and restaurants aplenty up Halsted and Clyborn and plenty going on a few blocks west on North. I lived in the area a long time (so has my brother) and have never had any problems. Plus, as Cabrini comes down the whole surrounding area is changing quite rapidly.

Taft

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

^^^ I agree that is why there is so much traffic, but the roads in that area aren't going to be getting any wider so let them drive, the more people who drive the more choked off the roads will get and the more people who will be discouraged from driving. The benefit of that is the people who decide to drive anyhow get punished with extremely long waits in traffic.

Just to continue as the counterpoint, gridlocked traffic also impedes buses (perhaps worse than it impedes cars), unless buses are given some sort of bus-only lanes, queue-jumping/signal-priority, etc. I would argue that traffic isn't what scares people out of their cars; rather, only parking does that. Traffic in LA is awful, but there is free parking everywhere so everyone drives. Because of expensive and scarce parking in the Loop, it gets a good transit mode share even on weekends. Once free parking is impossible and people gotta pay, they'll seriously consider transit. Thus I really dislike that off-street parking is mandated in areas with such high land value warranting high-intensity uses (North/Clybourn being a great example); even if the parking is fee-based and not free (I have a suspicion this development's parking will be free with validation), that fee will be subsidized because more parking than the market warranted is being provided.

This is why I'm less enthused about this project, especially now that the residential density (which should at least contribute a few hundred transit trips a day for work commuters) is being slashed. I just don't see the retail portion making great use of its transit-friendly location when that much off-street parking is provided.

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Also I have an update on the next Loyola Watertower campus project. It is actually now two seperate buildings. One is loyola's new School of Bussiness Administration Building and the other is going to be apartments developed by a private developer. The actual classroom building is only going to be 9 stories ( ) but that should still put it close to highrise territory. It will take up about 1/4 of a block, the other half already has highrises and the remaining quarter will be the private apartment building.

Though its not going to be the 500' design that I spoke of earlier, the apartment building should be pretty tall, the only number I heard is 240 units. The building's foot print will only be 1/4 of a block so it should still be pretty tall, at least 30 floors.

This is the property on NE corner State/Pearson? Or is this for the NW corner State/Chicago?

[emathias]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

... The benefit of that is the people who decide to drive anyhow get punished with extremely long waits in traffic.

You're a kinky guy with all this punishment talk ;-)

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Where do you live? I will never live in a suburb, I've either lived in farm towns or dense urban areas my whole life. I live at Chicago and State (well one block north of there), I think I know that area pretty well, and that's still not the greatest area to hang out in late at night.

I suppose that's why there's a thriving club scene in the blocks between there and Kingsbury?

I live just south of Chicago near Wells, but I've lived around downtown most of the time since 1995.

[Nowhereman1280]

Originally Posted by Taft

Strongly disagree with this. There are bars and restaurants aplenty up Halsted and Clyborn and plenty going on a few blocks west on North. I lived in the area a long time (so has my brother) and have never had any problems. Plus, as Cabrini comes down the whole surrounding area is changing quite rapidly.

Originally Posted by emathias

I suppose that's why there's a thriving club scene in the blocks between there and Kingsbury?

Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but New city isn't being built along the healthy parts of the neighborhood that you speak of. Isn't this going right on the northern edge of the former Cabrini Green? Or do I have the location of this project wrong?

Either way this neighborhood is spotty, there are some good areas that actually even have a night life, but just a few blocks away there will be extremely bad streets that are not safe at all...

[Nowhereman1280]

Originally Posted by VivaLFuego

This is the property on NE corner State/Pearson? Or is this for the NW corner State/Chicago?

This is the west half of the block bordered by Pearson on the South, Wabash on the East, Chestnut on the north, and State on the West. So there will be a 9 story building on the NE corner of State and Pearson (currently occupied by three buildings, a nice red three flat and two OK older three story buildings) and a 240 unit apartment building on the SE corner of State and Chestnut (currently occupied by a parking lot, a one story 1970's shithole, and a 2 story older building that was renovated to hell in the 1970's).

There is also plans for a Loyola parking garage behind everything on the block.

[BVictor1]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but New city isn't being built along the healthy parts of the neighborhood that you speak of. Isn't this going right on the northern edge of the former Cabrini Green? Or do I have the location of this project wrong?

Either way this neighborhood is spotty, there are some good areas that actually even have a night life, but just a few blocks away there will be extremely bad streets that are not safe at all...

The area is gentrifying. I mean there's a freaking Starbucks 3 blocks away. Cabrini won't be there much longer.

[emathias]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Guys, correct me if I am wrong, but New city isn't being built along the healthy parts of the neighborhood that you speak of. Isn't this going right on the northern edge of the former Cabrini Green? Or do I have the location of this project wrong?

Either way this neighborhood is spotty, there are some good areas that actually even have a night life, but just a few blocks away there will be extremely bad streets that are not safe at all...

It is essentially near the northern point of the former Cabrini Green, but the key words are "near" and "former," because there's been a LOT of development throughout that whole area over the past ten years. I don't know if you've noticed, but there's been a Dominick's down the street from Cabrini Green now for years, and there are 3-flats literally across the street from the project highrises on Division now, and there are beautiful townhomes across from the southern parts of it between Division and Chicago Avenue. The whole area is vastly different than you seem to think it is. Hell, I saw a fly fishing store on Clyborn and Mohawk on Sunday when I was in that area - you may remember it as the place they filmed Candyman, and visually parts still look like that, but none of it is as dangerous anymore, and with the exception of some parts between Division and Chicago, it may be sketchy at times, but it's no longer scary.

But all that's fairly moot anyway, since this project is being built right at the point that Clyborn and Halsted intersect - basically just south of the Red Line station, 1/2 block from Sur la Table and across the intersection from where the Apple Store will be built soon.

See streets relative to the project here

See that corner on a Google map

You might also like this marketing PDF for the retail spots.

[Steely Dan]

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this thread for discussion of chicago highrise projects. if you guys want to discuss scary city neighborhoods, please do it in a different thread.

[harryc]

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[SevenSevenThree]

Posted on SSC:

http://chicagojournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=46&SubSectionID=139&ArticleID=4662&TM=4443.153

Plan Commission approves McClurg high-rises
SOAR, Reilly support project that would replace

By Ben Myers

The Chicago Plan Commission Thursday approved two new mixed-use high-rises along the 600 block of North McClurg, between Erie and Ontario.
...
Lee Golub, executive vice-president of Golub & Co., which proposed the project, said the company is committed to commemorating site's history. That could mean a statue in a 7,100-square-foot park, which is part of the proposal.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ Wait, there's a park included in the McClurg proposal?!?! Man, one of the best proposals of the boom has just gotten a little better!

[VivaLFuego]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

^^^ Wait, there's a park included in the McClurg proposal?!?! Man, one of the best proposals of the boom has just gotten a little better!

7100 sq ft is really more of a corner plaza than a park, but still, it's a nice perk if there is some good landscaping and some sort of sculpture and informational plaque about the debate.

Maybe I should move to Streeterville, since they seem to be the only neighborhood population that embraces high density, reasonable parking ratios, and quality design. I ain't gettin' it up here in the BANANA Gold Coast/Old Town area.

[Tom In Chicago]

That's good news. . . I like this proposal. . .

[HowardL]

I justed fucked off from the office for a quick bit, and I noticed they have started cladding the south side of Staybridge Suites. In my non-informed, no prissy-pants opinion, it looks dead sexy. I didn't have a camera with, so I have nothing to back this up, but I think it is going to be such a breath of fresh air in River North.

[jpIllInoIs]

Some observations from seeing page 1 again.

The new McClurg Ct project looks a lot like the InterContinental North tower.

Burnhan Pt turned out better than the render, imho.

How is 150 East Ontario going? Has anyone passed by lately?