Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[DENrising]

Originally Posted by delts145

Megacarrier elevates travel options - and they raised the possibility that the combined carrier might fly nonstop from Utah to Amsterdam and Tokyo.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8983129?source=rv

"Amsterdam is Northwest's gateway throughout Europe, and we've connected Salt Lake to Paris. We haven't run the numbers, but I think there is a possibility that when we do run the numbers, we are going to see Salt Lake-to-Amsterdam also works," Bastian told The Salt Lake Tribune.
Bastian said a route to Tokyo's Narita International Airport also is possible but presents a bigger challenge. Delta would need a bigger, more expensive jet to reach Japan from Salt Lake, possibly a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which is scheduled to enter service in 2009.

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I think I postea few days ago when the merger was announced, that I'd like to see SLC>Amsterdam and to Tokyo. I'm glad someone was listening, hope it happens.

[T-Mac]

Church History Library

[wrendog]

It is an obvious next step to have an SLC-AMS flight. That will happen, bank on it. SLC-NRT would be awesome. Calling a 787 a "bigger" jet sure ain't correct. Get on the terminal reconstruction SLC!

[T-Mac]

One & Nine Condos






Kirtland Condos






Broadway Park Lofts

[urbane]

What does everyone think of the Architectural style of the Kirkland Condos?
I originally did not like the style but it is growing on me a little bit. If nothing else they have made a great effort to give it dimension and depth by using many different exterior colors and materials. I am also very pleased with the speed of construction.

Hopefully they can sell through them quickly as well.

[Scraperdude801]

I am amazed at how fast one and nine and kirtland condo's have been constructed. ... I am really excited for broadway park lofts, I think that is something I could live in, but they are really taking their sweet time with the project.

[jmonkey]

Since there is a new downtown in the state, I think that the homeless shelter should be rebuilt there. Surely, Sandy city will take it's new civic responsibilities to heart and host our most downtrodden with dignity and charity.

But seriously, the drug deals in the Pioneer Park area really paint the homeless populations with a bad brush, as does aggressive panhandling downtown. I believe City Creek Center would be a bit more open to the public streets, if it weren't for the panhandlers and other assorted rejects that populated that section of Main Street for years. The drug deals, and the panhandling need to dealt with forcibly by the city; the city should also continue to host the shelter, and lead the way in helping people out of that vicious situation. The homeless populations need our continuing help, and they would receive it much more effectively if they weren't housed in a crime ridden neighborhood, and then blamed for the problem.

[anyiliang]

Originally Posted by delts145

Megacarrier elevates travel options - and they raised the possibility that the combined carrier might fly nonstop from Utah to Amsterdam and Tokyo.


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8983129?source=rv

"Amsterdam is Northwest's gateway throughout Europe, and we've connected Salt Lake to Paris. We haven't run the numbers, but I think there is a possibility that when we do run the numbers, we are going to see Salt Lake-to-Amsterdam also works," Bastian told The Salt Lake Tribune.
Bastian said a route to Tokyo's Narita International Airport also is possible but presents a bigger challenge. Delta would need a bigger, more expensive jet to reach Japan from Salt Lake, possibly a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which is scheduled to enter service in 2009.

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Why would Delta need the 787 to reach Japan from SLC? I fly AA from DFW to Narita all the time and it is a non-stop flight. Am I missing something?

[IdahoMountainBoy]

I believe it may have something to do with the elevation of SLC?

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I am so annoyed at the homeless and drug trafficking problems in that area. It's a very controversial issue to move them, but it has to be done. I think the idea of putting them next to a police station is great! Maybe they could build a permanent police station immediately adjacent to those places or at pioneer park. Or move the whole homeless problem to a warehouse on the west sideof I 215 by the airport. Have the city rent out an unused warehouse, and provide some basic ammenities to them. They can have a space of their own that eliminates the problem they have at Pioneer Park, where the homeless and the drug traffickers present a safety/crime problem to the general publics.

I agree Orlando, something has to be done. I think with the much higher land values of the current location's services, that something positive could be worked out. With the right leadership and community involvement, such as the Huntsman family, who has been very helpful in the past, along with the many volunteers, this issue should reach a satisfactory resolution. The fact that the area's gentrification continues to speed ahead, will force resolution of the issue.

[Viperlord]

nice pic tmac.

When I first saw the plans for the kirtland condos I was a bit skeptical. but they are turning into something nice. They have moved along fairly fast too. I wish the broadway park lofts would move along faster. We have 3 buildings to go on that project.

and I am still waiting for the Radi8 condos to start sometime soon.

[DENrising]

Originally Posted by anyiliang

Why would Delta need the 787 to reach Japan from SLC? I fly AA from DFW to Narita all the time and it is a non-stop flight. Am I missing something?

Delta already has a fleet of 777's with 8k mile+range. And if I'm not mistaken, Northwest already uses 747's on the Minn-Narita flights. Delta also has orders for 8 new 777-200LR's, about 9500mile range.

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...-200/index.jsp

If anything a longer runway at SLC might have to be built, isn't that in their master plan?

[skyguy414]

Originally Posted by anyiliang

Why would Delta need the 787 to reach Japan from SLC? I fly AA from DFW to Narita all the time and it is a non-stop flight. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by IdahoMountainBoy

I believe it may have something to do with the elevation of SLC?

It could be done with aircraft Delta currently has but one of SLC's runways would need to be extended about 2000-3000 feet. The 787 would likely not require that expansion. DFW is at a much lower altitude and has longer runways.

Without going into specifics, aircraft require more take-off distance when departing airports at higher altitudes because the air density is less. Hotter temperatures also reduce aircraft performance, so summer time is really pushing it for a fully loaded wide-body aircraft to depart our airport with enough fuel to fly 5000-6000 miles away. One of the main reasons the SLC-Paris route is going to work is because it will require less fuel to fly from SLC to Paris rather than Paris to SLC because of the prevailing winds. If it were the other way around, we wouldn't have that route because the aircraft would be too heavy to take-off on the longest runway SLC currently has.

The airport does have plans to expand one of the runways to make it long enough to allow just about any commercial aircraft to fly just about anywhere. It is just another thing that has sat on the drawing board for years but the airport has failed to start work on. As I have said before, the SLC airport has a mindset of waiting it out until things become unacceptable instead of expanding and make improvements in order to lure more business and opportunities. Now that Delta has specifically said they want to expand Int'l service in SLC, maybe the airport will finally lengthen the runway.

The sad thing is, SLC hired an airport director about 1-2 years ago who was actually serious about expansion and was pushing for it but Rocky Anderson fired him only a few months into his job because he wanted to do the things the airport needs like the runway and terminal expansion.

[delts145]

^^^
I remember reading about that soap opera with the airport manager. I had wondered what had happened.

[RFPCME]

Skyguy:

What an interesting post. Your comments about the fired Airport Director are disheartening, especially since I see SLC International as the keystone towards a lot of development in the entire region.

I just finished wading through a RAND Corporation report on oil shale development in eastern Utah and Western Colorado, with the net effect being a gain of 200,000 jobs in Utah and Colorado directly related to oil shale in the next 30 years. SLC International cannot keep up with current demands. Predicted "normal" development without oil shale (or even a mini-boom in the technology area) was going to break the back of the airport anyway.

How do we get local government to wake up and deal with the airport issues?

[Future Mayor]

I'm pretty sure the local government is awake and fully aware of the airport issue. We have to remember that roughly a year ago Delta was still in bankruptcy and could have still gone belly up at any time. Now that things seem more solid with the proposed merger I think SLC and the state will begin to implement the airport expansion, but again we have to be patient because the FAA still has to approve the merger.

[baggins]

HFF Arranges $74 Million Financing for Trolley Square

“HFF was able to secure attractive financing that provided flexibility for the borrower to complete their business plan and finish the renovation of the property,” said Minten. “The renovation will include the addition of four retail buildings totaling 86,000 square feet, one of which will be occupied by Whole Foods and will open first quarter of 2010.”

[DENrising]

Originally Posted by wrendog

It is an obvious next step to have an SLC-AMS flight. That will happen, bank on it. SLC-NRT would be awesome. Calling a 787 a "bigger" jet sure ain't correct. Get on the terminal reconstruction SLC!

Wren, it's not that obvious when you consider SLC has never had an Intercontinental flight up till now. That will change on June 2.

Hope this flight is a real big success for Delta as well as the city.

[wrendog]

Sure, I understand that CDG is the first intercontinental flight, BUT this merger is really going to be positive for SLC. It really stands to reason that an AMS flight is going to be in the works in the next few years as it is a major KLM/NWA hub. Same with NRT, but I bet AMS is first.

[delts145]

From the way the head of Delta talked it would definately appear that AMS will be in the near future. I imagine that the Guv. is going to push for a non-stop to Asia big-time. One thing is sure obvious. If the merger goes as planned, the airport is finally in for alot of change and growth.