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I don't doubt for a minute that the South Salt Lake, Sandy, or Traverse Ridge complexes will be built, with towers included. What will be interesting, is how fast each project will progress. I think South Salt Lake's Market Station has a good chance of being up and going the quickest, along with Downtown. But then again, Sandy could pull a few rabbits out of their hats. I think the Gehry project will proceed, but at a slower and more measured pace. We also have to keep in mind that their are a large number of considerable factors right now, such as the pending oil shale boom pointed out by RFPCME, which could easily catapult the Wasatch into more hyper growth. Just the unbelievable geographic postioning of the Wasatch combined with factors like the Delta/Northwest merger, could send us into another growth boom, before we've even had a chance to catch our breath. Hey,by comparitive national standards, we're still in a boom, just a little more moderated and now adjusting to fit the current trends.
     
     
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Map of all of the new highrise planned along the wasatchfront!

From Salt Lake City to Provo.


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Why do the keep using the old rendering of that CCC tower?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 5:26 PM
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Why do the keep using the old rendering of that CCC tower?
Hmmm.... they changed the scheduling of it's start. Wouldn't it be interesting if they actually decided to go ahead and add some more floors back on.
     
     
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It would be nice if they did that but it will depend on the mat pour. I may be wrong but I think that the poor has to be x size and volume for a certain size building. You can't build a large building on a small mat.

Anyone with an engineer contact that could tell us roughly how thick the mat pour would have to be for Tower 2 to go from 19 stories to 32 or higher?
     
     
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Hopefully since they are delaying the start of Tower 2 for now that they will decide to pour a thicker mat in the first place, just in case they decide to go bigger. What's a couple of hundered thousand dollars for a thicker mat in the overall scope of the project! lol

I would love to see Tower 2 be at least 26 stories if not 32+. I really like the modern design of that tower and think that breaking the new tallest barrier with that design would make a huge positive statement for SLC.

Here's to hoping they have that foresight to go thick, just in case. Rootbeer in their mug of course.
     
     
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That Sandy development still has quite a few years before it breaks ground I would imagine. check out the link below.

http://www.bidclerk.com/project.758772.html

Site work and new construction of a mixed-use development in Sandy. Preliminary plans call for the construction of a 12-acre mixed-use development to include three, 30-story towers to include about 800,000 square feet of office space; 1.5 million square feet of retail, commercial, and residential space; and a 2,400-seat, five-story tall theater for the performing arts.

The project is still in the early planning stages, and a construction timeline has not yet been announced. No inquiries will be taken at this time.

I imagine that the prices will go up as they do more research into this project. Because if they are only in the early planning phases I doubt that they have looked at concrete and steel prices. So, I would say that it is safe to say this project gets scaled back quite a bit.





just for a little comparison of prices...

Market station development in Salt lake is said to be 500 million dollars,

sandy development is claiming to be 560 million.

HP tower is in the neighborhood of 100-125 million dollars.

Gateway back when it first came about was a 375 million dollar redevelopment project. I am sure that the investment now with the added buildings and retail is around 500 million.

So, I ask you... does everything that this sandy project is seeming to offer at the price of 560 million seem logical.

I dont think its doable, and I bet we see it scaled back dramatically.
     
     
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I don't doubt for a minute that the South Salt Lake, Sandy, or Traverse Ridge complexes will be built, with towers included. What will be interesting, is how fast each project will progress. I think South Salt Lake's Market Station has a good chance of being up and going the quickest, along with Downtown. But then again, Sandy could pull a few rabbits out of their hats. I think the Gehry project will proceed, but at a slower and more measured pace. We also have to keep in mind that their are a large number of considerable factors right now, such as the pending oil shale boom pointed out by RFPCME, which could easily catapult the Wasatch into more hyper growth. Just the unbelievable geographic postioning of the Wasatch combined with factors like the Delta/Northwest merger, could send us into another growth boom, before we've even had a chance to catch our breath. Hey,by comparitive national standards, we're still in a boom, just a little more moderated and now adjusting to fit the current trends.
Delts, I like your optimism. But, I seriously doubt the Gehry project and the Sandy project will ever be built to the scale that is proposed. We've seen this before. I mean who are the Proscenium guys & Brandt Andersen kidding? Both of these developers have never done anything remotely close to this size of development. They'll never build (3) 30 story towers in Sandy. Never, ever, ever, ever..... These are vain ambitions. I would love to see both projects develop into a smaller, and much more reasonable scale. But, the 40 story Gehry tower in Lehi!!!!!! Yah right! (3) 30 story towers in Sandy!! Yah right!

Let's hope for a smarter approach to these kinds of developments.
     
     
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I understand your reservations Orlando. But, to say never, ever, ever, ever..... IMO, this could be wishful thinking on your part, and would possibly warrant a bigger stretch than even a 50 story tower in Sandy. Of course, I wouldn't say that it would all have to be accomplished by these particular developers. But it will happen, just as this metro will probably reach 5 million plus people in our lifetime.

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Viper, I know you think Sandy/Sandy residents/Sandy developers/Sandy politions etc. are really stupid, but do you really think they didn't think about concrete and steel in their cost predictions? Not saying it will or will not cost that much, but come on.
     
     
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I agree Wrendog. I really don't think those guys are stupid and they do know of the rising cost of concrete and steel.
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I understand your reservations Orlando. But, to say never, ever, ever, ever..... IMO, this is could be wishful thinking on your part, and would possibly warrant a bigger stretch than even a 50 stroy tower in Sandy. Of course, I wouldn't say that it would all have to be accomplished by these particular developers. But it will happen, just as this metro will probably reach 5 million plus people in our lifetime.


I hope we don't reach 5 million people in our lifetime because that would severely put a dent in our quality of life. We have a hard enough time keeping our air clean with 2 million. 5 million = frightening.
     
     
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I hope we don't reach 5 million people in our lifetime because that would severely put a dent in our quality of life. We have a hard enough time keeping our air clean with 2 million. 5 million = frightening.
Good thought Northernlad, but I think it depends on HOW we accommodate a growing population. If it means more Walmarts, McMansions and Mountainview corridors, then yes, I do think our quality of life will be negatively impacted. If it means more infill/TOD developments (ie: Market Station), then I think the Wasatch Front can easily accommodate 5 million+ with air you can still breath. Besides, we're going to have too
     
     
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some density to the 500 and 600 south corridor

75 million mixed-use project planned in downtown Salt Lake

By Barbara Rattle
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A South Dakota hotel developer plans to break ground this summer on an approximately $75 million mixed-use project on roughly five acres between 500 and 600 South immediately east of 200 West in Salt Lake City.

Dubbed Salt City Plaza, the project will be anchored by four branded hotel properties totaling 542 rooms and suites in addition to spa facilities, restaurants, approximately 30,000 square feet of rentable commercial space and 90,000 square feet of Class A office space.

The developer of Salt City Plaza, which still requires entitlements from the city, is Salt City Plaza LLC, based in Aberdeen, S.D. Salt City Plaza is a sister company to Utah Hospitality LLC, which has constructed several hotels in the state and recently broke ground for a 94-unit Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites and a 97-unit Staybridge Suites complex immediately north of the E Center in West Valley City that should open in the first quarter of 2009 and include an 8,000 square foot family-style indoor water park and extensive meeting space.


Salt City Plaza is a new upscale, mixed-use development located in the heart of downtown Salt Lake City, UT, situated between 500 South and 600 South and immediately east of 200 West. The development will be anchored by four (4) branded hotel properties totaling 542 rooms and suites, incorporating Limited Service, Full Service, Extended Stay, and Boutique styles into the diversified mix. Other uses will include spa facilities, restaurants, retail, and Class A office space totaling approximately 120,000 square feet of rentable, commercial space of which 90,000 square feet is Class A office space. In addition to several ground level store-front spaces; parking for the Salt City Plaza, will be accommodated by a multi-story sub-grade, parking structure. A centrally located, pool, spa and fitness facility will accommodate guests from each of the four hotels as well as office tenants. Salt City Plaza will encompass approximately 5 acres of prime commercial property that will be developed in three phases.
Phase One, of Salt City Plaza will entail the demolition of a vacant convenience store located at the corner of 200 West and 500 South. This demolition project will provide space for a stand alone restaurant and bank. At the same time, the two northern most buildings of the existing Royal Garden Inn will be completely renovated including a new lobby addition. The new lobby will provide a platform for continued hotel operation of a 92-room Limited Service Best Western hotel. Subsequent to the completion of the new lobby facility demolition will continue to make way for Phase Two of Salt City Plaza.
Phase Two will begin the construction of three new, branded hotels. The first two hotels will be uniquely incorporated into an eleven story high-rise component. The first six floors will be home to a 180-unit Full Service Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites. Floors seven through eleven will be home to a 150-unit Hotel Indigo, the industry’s first ‘branded boutique’ hotel. These two distinctly different hotel components will incorporate a blend of design and finishing characteristics to create a one of a kind experience which will include a terrace and lounge for the Hotel Indigo located on the adjacent office building roof top. Concurrently, a seven story, 120-unit Extended Stay Staybridge Suites hotel will be constructed to complete this well-diversified, elegantly styled, up-scale mixed-use development. All three hotel properties will be serviced by a pool, day spa and fitness center facility which will also be an added amenity available to the office tenants.
Attached and adjacent to the Phase Two hotel will stand a six-story retail/office complex. Located on the 600 South frontage of the site; this elegantly styled commercial structure will provide premium exposure for a diverse range of tenants; from up-scale restaurateurs to mountain sports outfitters and everything in between. The first floor will include a 4,000 square foot restaurant adjoining the high-rise hotel building. The remaining 7,000 square feet will be comprised of smaller retail spaces. Floors two through six will feature Class A office space.
Phase Three, leads construction north away from 600 South where a second retail and office structure will be constructed. This retail and office building will be comprised of five floors. The first floor will feature retail space. The second floor will feature 7,000 square feet of conference space. Floors three through five will provide approximately 30,000 square feet of Class A commercial office space. This building, as well as all of the Phase Two structures, will include access to the sub-grade parking structure via multiple elevators and stairways. Salt City Plaza Central Park; will be the final component of Salt City Plaza. With highly articulated, decorative stone pathways, shady trees and well positioned park benches; the park will provide an urban buffer zone from the fast-paced, downtown atmosphere, for the weary traveler, and a relaxing lunch retreat for Salt City Plaza’s commercial workforce.
“This is a very dynamic project in a very dynamic Salt Lake City downtown marketplace. We’ve pursued this project for more than two years so it is thrilling to finally have it come together” said Jeff Stockert, President and CEO of Utah Hospitality, LLC and Salt City Plaza, LLC. “Intercontinental Hotels Group (IHG), better known perhaps as the parent company of the Holiday Inn family of brands, has worked closely with us to help bring this deal together. In the course of approximately 48 months we will have worked together to introduce over 900 new IHG rooms into the Salt Lake City market culminating with this tremendously exciting project. We are in the right place at the right time with what we believe to be the right mix of hotel and office space.”
The site was acquired by Salt City Plaza, LLC in February 2008 by Aberdeen, South Dakota based hotel and real estate development company, Utah Hospitality, LLC. Phase one is scheduled to commence summer of 2008, with the construction of the new Limited Service lobby and renovation of the Royal Garden Inn. Phase Two construction will commence immediately thereafter and is expected to be completed Q3 2010.
The Salt City Plaza developers recently completed construction of a 92-unit Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites just east of the Salt Lake City International Airport, a 111-unit Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites & Conference Center located west of the airport in the Salt Lake International Center and a 64-unit Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites in Tooele. This same group recently broke ground on construction of a 94-unit Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites and a 97-unit Staybridge Suites complex located immediately north of the E Center in West Valley City. That project, which includes an 8,000 square foot family-style indoor water park featuring a 165-foot water slide and extensive meeting space, is slated for completion in Q1 2009.
     
     
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That's pretty cool! Looks like 11 stories, 7 stories, 6 stories and 5 stories. Not bad.
     
     
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Good thought Northernlad, but I think it depends on HOW we accommodate a growing population. If it means more Walmarts, McMansions and Mountainview corridors, then yes, I do think our quality of life will be negatively impacted. If it means more infill/TOD developments (ie: Market Station), then I think the Wasatch Front can easily accommodate 5 million+ with air you can still breath. Besides, we're going to have too
I agree WASDEN, and I think there are many reasons to feel positive that we're heading in the right direction.

Also great new about the 5th and 6th so. area. I'm always impatient to see some good development at that gateway.
     
     
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yeah this 500 S - 600 S and 200 W block needed some help. I can't wait to see these renderings!

an 11 story, 7 story, 6 and 5 story buildings with sub grade parking and a "Salt City Plaza Central Park; will be the final component of Salt City Plaza. With highly articulated, decorative stone pathways, shady trees and well positioned park benches; the park will provide an urban buffer zone from the fast-paced, downtown atmosphere" Along with retail and office space makes me happy. When I first started reading I thought this was going to be about a 4 story hotel with surface parking lot behind the building. This is way better and fits perfectly into the DT Rising plan for those boulevard blocks. ... I just hope the design is a good design. It is always hit and miss when it comes to hotels.

     
     
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Yeah, this could be good. 11 stories is not too bad. Right across the street is the 13 story Red Lion so it won't be terribly prominent, but it will add density to the area, and yeah, hopefully a little curb side appeal. I know I am not the only one who would really like to see 5th and 6th S. become beautiful, welcoming streets.
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No one is more anxious for the main streaming of non-carbon based transportation than me. However, even if all oil-based engines are eventually replaced, there are innumerable products which still must be manufactured with oil as a key ingredient in their chemical make-up. We are many decades away from replacing oil in every aspect of our life. One thing that encourages me when I see the price of a gallon of gas, is that we will be alot more motivated to change our mode of transportation and how it is fueled, or to eventually be able to abandon the car at least part-time, in favor of mass-transit.
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