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Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 5:04 PM
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I understand it was bought by a church, relocating from Barton Street.
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Church of Scientology?
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All those property owners/developers should have to pay an administration fee for all the work to have the loans lined up and ready to go and then not proceeding.

That's how it works in the real world............

If you buy a house, get a mortgage broker, have them line up the mortgage, and then change your mind and decide not to proceed you have to pay an admin fee to the broker to cover their time and costs.
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Don't even joke about that............
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Oh, man. Just think of what that stretch of Main would look like if the old Federal building were renovated, along with the new Hilton beside it and then at Bay and Main, the proposed HWDSB/Mac/Hotel project and LRT station And of course, the newly renovated City Hall across the street...

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Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 6:13 PM
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get ready for many, many years of the old federal building looking like a bombed out piece of crap.
Exactly as I expected. Did you really have high hopes for that building, considering who owns it?

This is extremely painful. I now as a rule presume disappointment whenever a Hamilton based developer is involved in a downtown project.
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Don't even joke about that............
Nope I wouldn't be surprised if it did became a Church of Scientology. They've been expanding into Canada and pick downtown locations.
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Nope I wouldn't be surprised if it did became a Church of Scientology. They've been expanding into Canada and pick downtown locations.
Yep. And they like to recruit aggressively on the street, as they do at their location at Yonge and St. Mary in Toronto. This is really going to be good for King William's vibe and image haha ...

What I hate about this city is that every positive step we make (resurrection of the Connaught, increased GO service, possibility of LRT) gets offset by a step in the wrong direction (seniors homes at Lister, big boxes proposed for MIP, probability of BRT, and now a fringe church taking over a building which would be better used as a restaurant, lounge, etc. in an area which desperately needs those things).
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I think the problem is the opposite. Hamilton can't accept complexity and contradiction. The mix of a weird church, seniors homes, and arts community will create a strange eclectic vibe. Don't worry about this perfect image so much. Just accept these contradictions, this is what builds great urban neighborhoods. Stop trying to separate everything and avoid discrimination.
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and now a fringe church taking over a building which would be better used as a restaurant, lounge, etc. in an area which desperately needs those things).
Whoa, who's confirmed anything about a 'fringe church' taking over this building. oldcoote commented they undersatnd a church would be locating from Barton (operative word 'understand', not 'know').

Is there a current Church of Scientology location on Barton, which would go further to confirming the rumour?
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Just think about it though, what Roman Catholic, Anglican, Synagogue, etc do you know that would move into a building like that on King William?

Here's Winnipeg Church of Scientology rendering, which they just bought recently

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I think the problem is the opposite. Hamilton can't accept complexity and contradiction. The mix of a weird church, seniors homes, and arts community will create a strange eclectic vibe. Don't worry about this perfect image so much. Just accept these contradictions, this is what builds great urban neighborhoods. Stop trying to separate everything and avoid discrimination.
Hamilton may lack in complexity but it certainly has more than its fair share of contradiction. I fail to see what sort of great synthesis is going to come of artists, seniors home, and quasi-religion all being in the same vicinty. In fact, the lack of any logical or functional connection between the various entities is in my mind more likely to result in silent discord than any sort of meaningful harmony. Contradiction, unlike juxtaposition, is a negative term. Where different components of a given formula contradict rather than compliment each other, the equation falls apart. Nothing positive or productive comes of it. This is what I expect will happen on King William/James.

I'm all for diversity, but not the sort of diversity which is merely politically correct spin for segregation without meaningful correspondence between the disparate elements.

A laissez-faire approach to city building is fine where neighbourhood integrity is self-sustaining. A healthy city can swallow a lot of stuff which might at first seem objectionable without that stuff fatally unsettling its integral balance. One doesn't want to be heavy-handed, but where a city, like Hamilton, has lost most of that integral balance, a more thoughtful approach is called for.

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Whoa, who's confirmed anything about a 'fringe church' taking over this building. oldcoote commented they undersatnd a church would be locating from Barton (operative word 'understand', not 'know').

Is there a current Church of Scientology location on Barton, which would go further to confirming the rumour?
Perhaps I shouldn't have treated it as a foregone conclusion, but as I've mentioned elsewhere, my policy is now to presuppose the worst when it comes to Hamilton.

Perhaps its not best to characterize the Church of Scientology as the "worst case scenario" but I have strong personal reasons to take exception to its teachings and the proselytizing tactics of many of its members (but that's another issue).

Edit: instead of "strong personal reasons" I should have said "strong ethical reasons".
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Just think about it though, what Roman Catholic, Anglican, Synagogue, etc do you know that would move into a building like that on King William?

Here's Winnipeg Church of Scientology rendering, which they just bought recently
There hasn't even been the confirmation it's a church. There's a Mosque on King Street not far from my new home which has just a plain white front, so there could be any number of religous options, not just the RC, Anglican, or Synagogue

Also, some churches run community programs out of non-religious looking buildings.

My point is only please don't run too far with it being a church, and run even less with it being the Church of Scientology until it's confirmed. Though I guess if you expect the worst anything better becomes a positive.
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There is no 'church' of scientology in Hamilton according to their website.
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There is no Church of Scientology in Hamilton. There is no excuse to be in favor of that cult coming to this city, not even an architectural one. Sure their Winnipeg location looks nice. Here's their Toronto one: (during Feb. 10th protest)



Yah. Lots of architectural beauty there.

I'd rather see BRT come here and Lister Block demolished before Scientology steps their foot into Hamilton.
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There is no Church of Scientology in Hamilton. There is no excuse to be in favor of that cult coming to this city, not even an architectural one. Sure their Winnipeg location looks nice. Here's their Toronto one: (during Feb. 10th protest)

Yah. Lots of architectural beauty there.

I'd rather see BRT come here and Lister Block demolished before Scientology steps their foot into Hamilton.
I feel exactly the same way.
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wow...Hamilton never ceases to amaze....let's hope this isn't true.
That place is perfect for a restaurant/cafe/lounge/bookstore etc..... Seniors in the nearby Lister would be scared to step outside with these guys a block up. Lol.
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The seniors would make all too easy prey for the Scientologists I'm afraid ...
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The turn this thread has really surprised me--and that's a difficult thing to do where this Forum is concerned.

I have fairly negative views toward the Church of Scientology on the basis of it's teachings, it's peculiar exclusivity and it's 'recruitment' practices (the tactics of course are employed by several other religious groups.) Nonetheless, what I read here is purely venomous. I am a big believer in free-will--so I don't buy the argument that this organization "brainwashes" innocent people--secondly, I strongly urge everyone to take a step back and ask yourselves what the reaction would be if this were a mosque--would you be on here saying you don't want "those people" moving in? Of course we have no idea who has bought this building--so the whole discussion is likely a moot one--but I'm still taken aback.

As an aside, the Scientologists seem to be moving into urban areas across North America. In Downtown Detroit they recently closed on a prominent and historic building in the heart of the Financial District--on Jefferson Avenue facing the river--after financial services company Raymond James decided to relocate to the 'burbs.
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