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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 6:49 PM
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A video tour has been posted of the new Birkhill @ Fireclay development in N. Murray. Click below to see it:

http://www.hamlethomes.com/communities/video.aspx?cid=18

It's the second video that appears with the 'Birkhill @ Fireclay' splashscreen.

The end of the clip show the plaza that is proposed to replace the current park-n-ride, which will be rebuilt just south of the current site:

     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 7:32 PM
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FannFreakinTastic!!! I love the whole TOD wave we're seeing. Thanks for the heads-up Ark!
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 10:17 PM
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Does anybody know the status of the Intermodal hub TRAX extension? Frontrunner is suppose to open in a few weeks, but last I was there everything was still tore up.
The last time I saw it, about three of so weeks ago, it looked almost completed. And as far as I know it will be finished by the time FrontRunner begins, or before. After all it doesnt make any sense to have FrontRunner dump people at the Hub and have no way to get to downtown without walking. I think it will be done at least by the end of April.

Oh and and will be SOOOOO excited to ride Trax to the Hub and then onto FrontRunner! Ill be so happy ill be bouncing off the seats!
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 10:38 PM
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I agree with earlier posts that mentioned building on vacant parking lots as opposed to removing existing buildings, but I also think that it is much more complex than you think it is.

The properties that have remained vacant, have done so for a reason, and generally they have been kept out of the hands of the market. The LDS Church and Earl Holding are great examples of huge tracts of land that are prime for development but they currently have no interest in development.

Thus, at times as properties change hands the only time to build anew means the destruction of something else.

If cities only allowed growth on vacant parcels then growth would stagnate and sprawl would be the only option.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 10:53 PM
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I can't believe nobody thought my joke was funny. I referred to the "Proscenium" as the "Perineum". I thought it was clever and apt but no one said anything oh well, I'll shelve the adolescent humor.
I think Silver fox is a nice project, South Salt Lake is definitely taking strides, hopefully they come to fruition.
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Old Posted Apr 8, 2008, 11:13 PM
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Lessons learned

Delts and Urbanboy:

If the AIA thinks the First Security Bldg. (now the Garff Bldg.) is an outstanding example of the international style, I accept their judgment, which is far more informed than mine, although I still like the Dominion Center in Toronto, not any one of the three towers, but how all 3 towers fit together on that small rocky outcrop. Chalk it up to my poor taste.

To try and answer your question, Urbanboy, about how architecture should represent the soul of SLC, I guess I have to define what I see as the soul of SLC.

Salt Lake, to me, is one of the most, if not the most, unique city in the US, and probably the most misunderstood. It was founded by (and initially designed) by a religious culture that has American roots. I know of no other major religion that began in the US and is so uniquely American. Although I am not a member of that religion, I respect its accomplishments greatly.

Most important, Salt Lake has always been a balancing act among religions, between religion and no-religion, between conservative and liberal ideas, between traditional and non-traditional. To me, to reflect the soul of Salt Lake, its major building should reflect the balance between contrasting ideas and schools of thought, where widely diverse opinions and cultures do find ways to make it work.

I think the American Stores Bldg. (aka, Wells Fargo Bldg.) is a great example of that balancing act. On the one hand, it is very much unlike anything around it (not just in size), pushing the limits of people's conceptions of tall buildings. On the other hand, the building is very pragmatic, with out excess ornamentation. It strikes a nice balance between both extremes. It is not a high-rise box, nor is it ostentatious in any way. That's Salt Lake to me.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 12:49 AM
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Holding pattern: Retailers are in limbo as downtown undergoes redevelopment


Work proceeds on the project to renovate the Trolley Square shopping mall in Salt Lake City. (Michael Brandy, Deseret Morning News)

"You could never have told me that in two years I'd lose two stores - one that I had for 30 years and one that I had for 18," Crissy Maniar said.

Haroon's resettled in foothill Village on Salt Lake City's east bench. But like other retailers who left downtown, the Mahniars want to return to the city's center.




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Have we forgotten about the Trolley Square development? That picture above shows a lot has happened. Can anyone go get some pics to show what has happened. Last I knew, was that they did not approve the modern design for the Whole Foods store. Does anyone have any current renderings of the development?
     
     
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update on the "one and nine condos", photo credits go to pentalon construction.

notice the price of gas at the food mart across the street. They dont even offer any ky jelly with that ouch!!!





     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 1:10 AM
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Village on main street in Bountiful update. that sure went up quick.



     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 1:17 AM
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Wow - that did go up fast.

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Village on main street in Bountiful update. that sure went up quick.


Unfortunately, it kind of looks like a white-collar prison.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 1:18 AM
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Delts and Urbanboy:
I think the American Stores Bldg. (aka, Wells Fargo Bldg.) is a great example of that balancing act. On the one hand, it is very much unlike anything around it (not just in size), pushing the limits of people's conceptions of tall buildings. On the other hand, the building is very pragmatic, with out excess ornamentation. It strikes a nice balance between both extremes. It is not a high-rise box, nor is it ostentatious in any way. That's Salt Lake to me.
I think I can safely say your ideas about Salt Lake City's built environment are unfounded. If you look at history, many of Salt Lake City's earlier buildings had very detailed and extravagant ornamentation on them. Each building was right up to the next, creating a continuos flow of window shopping and/or natural surveillance, so many who walked by could have a real sense of security. Every office building had ground floor retail/specialty shops, even the Hotel Utah (now the Joseph Smith Memorial Building) had ground floor retail. Everything you needed was within walking distance, or if you were sick of walking, you could ride the trolley to any urban destination. This type of environment, a very walkable one, was possible because space was used very efficiently. The Wells Fargo Building, although architecturally stunning, is not a good example of a building that interacts well with the street, or uses space efficiently. A better example of this will be 222 South Main Street. It has made excellent use of the parcel and looks as though it will interact well with the street. It has large windows and ground floor retail. The Grand America has architecture that fits the historic character of Salt Lake City, However, it does not interact well with the street. In- fact, I think the layout was a huge mistake and a lost opportunity. Had the Grande America abutted right up to the sidewalk, the retail space could have had windows facing the street. Therefore, it wouldn't only be the people staying at the hotel making purchases, but anyone who was intrigued when walking by. If you treat the street as an amenity, it becomes one, whereas if you treat it as some eyesore that you must protect your high paying guests from by planting trees and foliage, then that's what it becomes. In an urban environment, no matter how beautiful a building is, if it does not interact well with street life, it is not good architecture! At least the Ken Garff building interacts well with the street, as does the Metro Building.

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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 1:30 AM
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Southern Downtown neighborhood development.



Thanks T-mac for the pics. The Kirtland Condos are sure going up fast. The whole facade is almost covered. It is amazing to watch the progress as I drive past it everyday on my way to work downtown.

Also, the Alpine building (4 stories), on the southwest corner of 700 south and 200 west is scheduled to be refurbished here shortly, and be the corporate headqurters (100+/- employees) for the national childrens network.

Also, I just got word of another 5 story residential project planned for the 900 south and 200 west area. It is one that I have never heard of before. The plans that I saw made it look basically like a copy of the liberty midtown apartments over on the east side, built by cowboy partners.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 3:22 AM
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I think I can safely say your ideas about Salt Lake City's built environment are unfounded. If you look at history, many of Salt Lake City's earlier buildings had very detailed and extravagant ornamentation on them. Each building was right up to the next, creating a continuos flow of window shopping and/or natural surveillance, so many who walked by could have a real sense of security. Every office building had ground floor retail/specialty shops, even the Hotel Utah (now the Joseph Smith Memorial Building) had ground floor retail. Everything you needed was within walking distance, or if you were sick of walking, you could ride the trolley to any urban destination. This type of environment, a very walkable one, was possible because space was used very efficiently. The Wells Fargo Building, although architecturally stunning, is not a good example of a building that interacts well with the street, or uses space efficiently. A better example of this will be 222 South Main Street. It has made excellent use of the parcel and looks as though it will interact well with the street. It has large windows and ground floor retail. The Grand America has architecture that fits the historic character of Salt Lake City, However, it does not interact well with the street. In- fact, I think the layout was a huge mistake and a lost opportunity. Had the Grande America abutted right up to the sidewalk, the retail space could have had windows facing the street. Therefore, it wouldn't only be the people staying at the hotel making purchases, but anyone who was intrigued when walking by. If you treat the street as an amenity, it becomes one, whereas if you treat it as some eyesore that you must protect your high paying guests from by planting trees and foliage, then that's what it becomes. In an urban environment, no matter how beautiful a building is, if it does not interact well with street life, it is not good architecture! At least the Ken Garff building interacts well with the street, as does the Metro Building.
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Your point about the walkability of an urban environment is spot on. The lack of ground-floor retail in the Wells Fargo Building is right on. I had the opportunity to live in Europe in the 90's, and the one thing I still miss about that experience is the general lack of walkability and ground-floor retail in American cities. New York and San Francisco, where you can walk for miles (relatively safely...during daylight hours), are the exceptions, as are smaller sections in other cities (like Michigan Avenue in Chicago).

So you're right. Good architecture is more than building design. It includes placement and use. Wouldn't it be great if future high-rise buildings in SLC met all three criteria? (I would make some snide comment about the proposed Proscenium Project failing on at least two of the criteria, but I believe that project is no longer worthy of comment)
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 9, 2008, 3:29 AM
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(I would make some snide comment about the proposed Proscenium Project failing on at least two of the criteria, but I believe that project is no longer worthy of comment)
Right on!
     
     
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Blight or boomtown? EPA funding study of cleanup need in West Millcreek area.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695268701,00.html



The West Millcreek area will benefit from a $200,000 brownfields grant awarded Monday by the Environmental Protection Agency. The Murray Laundry property at 4200 S. State has been on the EPA's radar since 2000 as a potential hazardous site.(Tim Hussin, Deseret Morning News)

The area seems to have everything going for it. Two TRAX stations are just a short walk away, and new developments are popping up left and right. But....

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Westminster seeks building permit - New science center would stand taller than area standard.

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West Valley dreams up an ethnic crossroads development. "The Jordan River Marketplace"

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_8858331

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Yeah, I always prefer underground parking if possible or a terrace is okay, if well disguised. Perhaps, future phases will accomodate underground parking. I think this development having such an advantageous location and TRAX at it's doorstep, is only going to lead to a lot of expansion of Birkhill.

Hey goldcntry, you must either be from the area or have family here, hence the jello salad comment, LOL.
I was going to make a similar comment regarind the parking situation at Fireclay. I could see them adding an additional phase once this phase is built out, I would like to see underground parking as well, maybe some terraced parking being built in the middle of buildings 1, 2, 3, and new 4, 5, and 6. Similar to the center parking in the lettered buildings area just to the West, with the possibilty of extending Heritage Ave across Main. I'll post a "next Phase" vision.
     
     
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http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_8858331

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How about a statue of a cop eating a donut and holding a radar gun with a gangbanger doing a drug deal behind his back?
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I was going to make a similar comment regarind the parking situation at Fireclay. I could see them adding an additional phase once this phase is built out, I would like to see underground parking as well, maybe some terraced parking being built in the middle of buildings 1, 2, 3, and new 4, 5, and 6. Similar to the center parking in the lettered buildings area just to the West, with the possibilty of extending Heritage Ave across Main. I'll post a "next Phase" vision.


If you look closely, Buidings D & E have parking underneath. Because of site condidtions, a full underground parking garage isn't possible. Originally, a parking terrace was planned where the surface lot behind Buildings A & B is located, but the cost of building it would have made the project financially unfeasable. (It would have needed to be built to allow fire truck access to the rear of the buildings.)

It would be nice to say 'we'll just put in underground parking everywhere', but when it comes to paying for it, sometime compromises have to be made so that a project remains financially viable.
     
     
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