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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 1:33 PM
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Um...what the....

Hey guys/gals, it has been a while.

Ok. So I have been out of the country on my honeymoon in Italy. As i walk around the amazing countryside and view world class cities such as Rome, Florence, and Venice...I get a little sad because I think that Philadelphia has a ways to go still....then I come home to this.

My god. Will this really get built? I've been dying for news on BVT and that seems to be stalled, if not dead. But this. This could be the building that puts Philly back on the worldwide map as "the next great global city".

All I can say is, after reading the amazing 20 pages of posts, that I feel like crying.

As for tenants....I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast has a hand in this as well . I THINK they are consolidating offices around the country and bringing them to Philly and they always appear willing to buy (i.e. Disney). Perhaps, their involvement would kill their proposed 2nd tower, but I can live with that

Either way.....let's all pray to whatever God you know that this happens.

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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 1:57 PM
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Proposed super-tall tower shows some promise

While it's a long shot of a project, the proposed 1,500-foot American Commerce Center at 18th and Arch Streets signals that Philadelphia is entering the age of super-tall towers. The project is being shopped around by Joseph Grasso and Garrett Miller's Walnut Street Capital, which spent $30 million on the site. Their ambitions for American Commerce Center are very grand, considering.

First, there is a 1,200-foot office tower (topped by a 300-foot spire) that would include 1.3 million square feet of office space (same as the Comcast Tower). But there is also supposed be a 477-foot-tall cubular doughnut that would house 300,000 square feet of retail in a five-level base, and a hotel located in the southern leg of an open rhomboid.

The architects, Kohn Pedersen Fox of New York, envision three plazas, which would host various cafes, a movie-theater complex, and the hotel ballrooms. The dense array of activities could, theoretically, be a smaller Philly version of the shops at Time Warner's building in Manhattan. There's even space set aside for an upscale supermarket in the lower level, just like Time Warner's Whole Foods space.

The architects have done some clever things with the design, such as hollowing out the lower structure to preserve some views for the Stirling on JFK Boulevard. The top level of the open rhomboid would have gardens and meeting rooms that could do double duty as a conference center for the office tenants and ballrooms for the hotel.

But it would be nice if designers Eugene Kohn and William C. Louie had worked out the architecture beyond this schematic form. You would think they'd be a little embarrassed at stealing the idea for the crown from Daniel Libeskind's original pass at the Freedom Tower in Lower Manhattan. And while the architects say they haven't begun to work on the details of the facade, it's disheartening to see their starting point is the same bluish glass used at the Cira Centre and half the new office buildings in New York.

Kohn Pedersen Fox, which designed the cool, angular One Logan Square and the far-less-cool, postmodernist Two Logan, as well as the Mellon Bank Center, does seem to have a good recent track record of manipulating glass curtain walls to give them depth and shadow. Of course, most of their recent clients have been in places flush with money, like Shanghai and Kuala Lumpur. We haven't seen any Philadelphia developers willing to spend money on the detailing necessary to make a glass facade more than a vertical ice rink.

My greatest concern, however, is the boxy mass of the tower. It appears to slam down hard on the ground at the corner of 19th and Arch Streets with no setbacks and no grace notes. If you've walked around to the back side of the Comcast Tower, then you known how these sheer glass skyscraper walls can easily become an urban cliff.

Given that Ron Caplan, et al, are assembling land for yet another tower immediately to the west, on Arch Street between 19th and 20th, Philadelphia needs to plan now to avoid building a forbidding palisades of skyscraper walls.

The last paragraphs hints at the mystery tower. Big things are in the works.

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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 3:38 PM
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palisades

if supertall skyscrapers are intelligently designed to invigorate and serve the pedestrial experience at street level I for one would love a palisade on Arch street.
     
     
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Proposed super-tall tower shows some promise

"While it's a long shot of a project"
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It continues to elude me why the media keeps coloring this project negatively when the facts they present in the remaining 90% of the article point the other way... Well actually I know why, but it's not based on sound journalism, that's for sure. It's based on negadelphian thought...and I'm still waiting to hear from whoever coined that term so I can credit them ;-) Wake up, Philadelphia. The party has started and you're late.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 4:59 PM
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OK, realize I'm really late to this party but......

HOLY GUACAMOLE!!!

Congrats to Philly. Your city is really on the rise and things are looking up. This is awesome news. What is most encouraging is the funding that appears to be pre-arranged and stable.

Will definitely be watching this with anticipation.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 5:40 PM
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It continues to elude me why the media keeps coloring this project negatively when the facts they present in the remaining 90% of the article point the other way... Well actually I know why, but it's not based on sound journalism, that's for sure. It's based on negadelphian thought...and I'm still waiting to hear from whoever coined that term so I can credit them ;-) Wake up, Philadelphia. The party has started and you're late.
it's not the whole media, just inga. she is not the bastion of journalistic integrity.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 8:00 PM
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Proposed super-tall tower shows some promise

Given that Ron Caplan, et al, are assembling land for yet another tower immediately to the west, on Arch Street between 19th and 20th, Philadelphia needs to plan now to avoid building a forbidding palisades of skyscraper walls.

The last paragraphs hints at the mystery tower. Big things are in the works.

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Whoa !!! Another tower !!!

EDIT: From Ltrain over at the CC thread.

"Buddy of mine working in Comcast management says they're looking into possibly renting whatever additional space they need in ACC, as opposed to spending the extra money to build another tower, which wouldn't even come close to touching 1200."

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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 10:37 PM
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American Commerce Center

"This Changes Everything"

Website: http://www.acctower.com/

Location: 1800 Arch St.

Height: Office Tower-1500'/452m Spire l 1210' Roof l 63 Stories l Hotel-473'/144m

Usage: Mixed-Office/Hotel

Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox (http://www.kpf.com/)

Developer: Walnut Street Capital (http://www.walnutstcapital.com/)

Groundbreaking: Summer 09'?

Features:
  • 1500' Spire
  • 26 Story Hotel
  • 2 Roof Gardens (473' and 6th Floor Accessable)
  • 3-6 Stories of Ground Floor Retail
  • Underground Parking (Dedicated Bicycle Parking)
  • LEED Certified

Important Info: Brad over at phillyskyline.com first broke this story and did a tremendous job getting all the info on it. You can read the original article here- http://phillyskyline.com/acc1.htm PLEASE READ IT. And while you're at it read phillyskyline everyday because its pretty much the greatest thing ever.

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All images courtesy of Walnut Street Capital and Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates.

Thanks to Brad at phillyskyline.com for the break on this awesome project and for posting the photos.
DAAAM!!!

Build it, you bitches! I'm tired of Philadelphia being treated like the red-headed stepchild of the megalopolis! Show D.C. and Boston what's up!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2008, 12:44 AM
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Why do people compare Philly to DC and Boston?? isnt Philly bigger and taller then both already?? Philly should be compared to NY and Chicago.
     
     
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What's this talk about another tower?
     
     
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Recent rumors suggest there is a mystery tower located between CC and the proposed ACC. The layout of this tower is not known.
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Recent rumors suggest there is a mystery tower located between CC and the proposed ACC. The layout of this tower is not known.
A mystery tower?

I wonder what this mystery could possibly be.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 5:40 AM
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^^^^What mystery tower ? and where would it go ? there is no space between Comcast Center and ACC, unless you build ontop of 18th street. BTW, if Comcast can get things rolling that would be great. We will have two Comcast Centers, both serving as "new tallests". Lets hope this thing gets off the ground one way or another.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 5:51 AM
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Mystery Tower

Actually the "mystery tower" was a quick reference in an article that referred to a tower just west of where ACC is proposed. There has been no other news of the mystery tower that I know of.
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Old Posted Mar 30, 2008, 12:49 PM
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^^^^What mystery tower ? and where would it go ? there is no space between Comcast Center and ACC, unless you build ontop of 18th street. BTW, if Comcast can get things rolling that would be great. We will have two Comcast Centers, both serving as "new tallests". Lets hope this thing gets off the ground one way or another.
A tower as tall as Comcast Center cannot be built in the plot originally scheduled for phase 2 because of the railroad tracks. Honestly, once ACC is built, I think that should be it for skyscrapers over say 600 feet in that area. We gotta start moving further down Market Street where there are some other seriously embarassing parking lots that tourists have to walk by on their ways from say the convention center to old city...that's just my hope...
     
     
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I believe all parking lots are an eysore and a waste of surface space. I'm sure it's not always feasible, but ideally they would all be located underground. Or at least sunken low enough to be surrounded by foliage or decorative fencing or walls. The other side of the coin, if parking becomes too scarce the remaining lots will charge ungodly fees. JMO
     
     
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I believe all parking lots are an eysore and a waste of surface space. I'm sure it's not always feasible, but ideally they would all be located underground. Or at least sunken low enough to be surrounded by foliage or decorative fencing or walls. The other side of the coin, if parking becomes too scarce the remaining lots will charge ungodly fees. JMO
Yea I couldn't agree with you more. Obviously there has to be an underground parking lot to replace it, but the other thought is that in the future American (I stress that) cities will once again become the epicenter of growth and not the suburbs...it's not a question of if, but when...and transportation will once again be more proportionately diversified so demand won't be as great, but anyway....that's just one theory

Could anyone google-map the general site of ACC and highlight the general area where this mystery tower is proposed, please? I can't really picture it. Thanks!
     
     
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A tower as tall as Comcast Center cannot be built in the plot originally scheduled for phase 2 because of the railroad tracks. Honestly, once ACC is built, I think that should be it for skyscrapers over say 600 feet in that area. We gotta start moving further down Market Street where there are some other seriously embarassing parking lots that tourists have to walk by on their ways from say the convention center to old city...that's just my hope...
I agree. and no taller towers in that area (after ACC is built) is a good thing. we def. need to extend the skyline outward from that central core of buildings. Cira 2/3 and BVT (if built) would be great starts.
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I like the design of the main tower. not a huge fan of the all the circus colors near the base. But on the whole

AWESOME!!

Hope it gets built
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Why do people compare Philly to DC and Boston?? isnt Philly bigger and taller then both already?? Philly should be compared to NY and Chicago.
As a Bostonian I agree ,I always thought of Philadelphia was more in the ranks of LA NYC Chicago., and I'm glad it's getting a skyline to prove it,the only thing DC Bos and Philly have in common is their history,old architecture and beautiful skylines mixed in with the old!
     
     
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