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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:00 PM
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With these improvement funding we should see some really nice terminals for McMaster, Mohawk College, Airport, probably more improvements for Eastgate and downtown terminal.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:14 PM
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So yea according to CH the $3 million for GO/VIA will go at LIUNA Station.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:27 PM
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we NEED these A,B-line routes to run on weekends. The city doesn't shut down just because suburbanites aren't all flocking to their 9-5 jobs in the core. They aren't the ones using transit anyhow...for true rapid transit service, it needs to run a full schedule from 5am-2am or whenever the HSR timetables start/finish.
I hate not having the B-Line option on Sat/Sundays or Holidays. Imagine TO not using some of their subway lines or Scarborough RT on weekends...let's do this right.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:28 PM
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so, how is that LIUNA Station VIA/GO station working?? in addition to Hunter or in place of train service to Hunter?? this could get confusing having 2 GO Stations 5 minutes apart.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:41 PM
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Rush hour GO Train service will continue to the TH&B Station. GO Bus will stay at the TH&B Station as well. Nothing will change.

Non-rush hour GO Train service will now stop at LIUNA Station. Part of this platform funding suppose to include a new parking garage, which I think the City will fund.

This is why I've been advocating trolley bus service up and down Hughson St from both Stations.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 10:41 PM
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These connections to John C. Munro really show the priority the province has for the airport to be the next regional international airport.
I'd be using it on my regular flights to Thunder Bay if they didn't move it to YYZ.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2008, 9:03 AM
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we NEED these A,B-line routes to run on weekends. The city doesn't shut down just because suburbanites aren't all flocking to their 9-5 jobs in the core. They aren't the ones using transit anyhow...for true rapid transit service, it needs to run a full schedule from 5am-2am or whenever the HSR timetables start/finish.
I hate not having the B-Line option on Sat/Sundays or Holidays. Imagine TO not using some of their subway lines or Scarborough RT on weekends...let's do this right.
You can't jump to full B-Line service right away. However, you can begin to establish the B-Line as the primary service in its corridor. Here's what can be done, within reason, to work toward that in the near term:

1) Add a couple of strategic stops. Some drivers will hate the idea but, you can't have two stops two blocks apart in the core, then the next stop a mile away (Wentworth). You have to add a stop at Wellington. Casual riders assume Wellington is a stop anyway. While you're at it, add Gage. Aside from stop spacing, the stops in front of Gage Park are busy. If a B-Line stop were closer than Ottawa St, some of these people would consider leaving the King bus behind. As we get closer to LRT, also consider the Queenston circle and somewhere around RHVP (Reid or Potruff), again for spacing, plus the potential for passenger drop-off facilities.

2) Switch King buses to B-Line. No, not all of them. But you have 8 Kings and 6 B-Lines per hour during the rush, so reverse that. Now the odds are the first bus to reach your stop will be a B-Line. Makes it worth walking a little further to that stop, doesn't it? Another reason to add the stops mentioned above. West of Downtown, some University buses would be replaced.

3) Extend service to 8:00pm on weeknights, then beyond. The problem with a 7:00pm finish is that it's dead between 6 and 7, then people come out again. There are 6 Kings an hour from 6 to 9. Maybe go with 4 Kings and 4 B-Lines, or just 3 Kings. Again, you want the public to favour the B-Line. Eventually, keep extending the hours as the B-Line gains popularity.

4) Add Saturday service. To begin, have B-Line service from 10 until 6, while the stores are open. On Saturday afternoons, there are 8 King buses each hour. Switch 4 of those to B-Lines. Eventually, run just as late as on weekdays, because Saturday nights are busy. And gradually move the starting time back as ridership demands. This also means that the McMaster-Eastgate corridor would finally have single-bus service on Saturdays.

5) Scrap the Stoney Creek interlining. It's supposed to be a rapid transit corridor. You're supposed to just go out and catch a bus. Any bus, not the second or third one because it continues to your final destination. Make the transfer at the appropriate terminal. Unless it's a low-service period, you shouldn't need a schedule to figure it out. Schedules are for local buses. This also allows the flexibility to slot in an extra bus if required, or close the gap in the event of a breakdown.

As for the A-Line, I've heard that the HSR has some ideas that would immediately put riders on that route. At least part of it. No idea what the hours/ days are, but it could work seven days a week. You don't need 24-7 A-Line service, as Upper James trips can be pretty quick late at night, but at least maintain a minimum service level when A-Line isn't running. Hourly service on Sunday nights isn't good enough. You have to have overall confidence in the corridor, whichever route is servicing it.

Keep in mind that some of these changes do require additional service, not just reallocated service. Money is a factor, so it may depend more on the city than the HSR itself.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2008, 9:13 AM
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Good points. I agree with all of them.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2008, 11:43 AM
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These connections to John C. Munro really show the priority the province has for the airport to be the next regional international airport.

As far as I know, there is currently no HSR service to the airport.... I heard something about a trans-cab service or something. If that is true, then it is pretty bad that nothing has been done to this point given how close the airport is to the city.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2008, 12:18 PM
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Transit: $29.8 million for 18 new HSR buses; $3 million for James Street North GO/Via Station Gateway to Niagara (new platform, passenger and park-and-ride amenities).
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incredible job by the Spec today covering this story.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2008, 1:32 PM
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Yea a simple sentence.

This budget probably the single largest or one of the largest contribution to Hamilton's public transit in history. I got more information out of CH coverage than from the Spec.
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Provincial cash to add GO train stop at LIUNA Station

March 26, 2008
BY JOHN BURMAN
The Hamilton Spectator

One line in the Ontario budget should put GO and VIA Rail passenger trains back on the tracks at Hamilton’s LIUNA Station.

The province is putting up $3 million to put in a platform, ticket kiosk and lighting for a GO Train stop just east of the old CN station on James Street North, now a highly successful banquet centre owned by the Laborers’ International Union of North America.

The move clears the way for Hamilton to have extra GO Train service without track and tunnel bottlenecks that limit the number of trains that can use the Hunter Street terminal.

VIA Rail, which pulled out of the James Street station in 1992, shifting passengers to the Aldershot GO station, has indicated it is interested in using the new platform, returning VIA service to the city, if the GO Transit Authority is on board.

Downtown Ward 2 Councillor Bob Bratina, a member of GO’s board of directors, says the authority — which shifted Hamilton stops from James Street to Hunter Street in 1993 — approves the idea. “They’re onside with this.”

Bratina and Mayor Fred Eisenberger, who pitched the new platform plan to Metrolinx, formerly the Greater Toronto Transit Authority, some time ago, say the new platform could mean more GO trains coming to Hamilton.

Metrolinx, headed by former Burlington mayor Rob MacIsaac, pressed the idea on the provincial government and the announcement was in the budget Tuesday.

MacIsaac said last night that GO trains using the LIUNA stop will supplement, not replace, existing service at the renovated TH&B Hunter Street GO station and bus terminal.

MacIsaac said the provincial government is focused on transit and putting money into it because “we just don’t have enough roads to handle all the people that are coming here.

Public transit is going to be the only viable solution for mobility.” Eisenberger said yesterday the additional service at James Street “won’t be a full blown station, but it’s a beginning to all day service and allows more things to happen.”

“VIA has indicated that if GO will consider it, they will consider putting it on as a stop (for Toronto to Niagara trains).”

“It is a major trigger for having folks consider living in Hamilton or investing here,” he said. “I think it was the smallest line in the budget for things concerning Hamilton but it will have the most impact in the long run,”

Eisenberger said, adding he thinks it could be a year or more before any GO trains roll into the station.

Perhaps, the mayor said, this could also open the door to expanded GO Train service into Niagara region.

GO Transit CEO Gary McNeil, who was not available for comment, has said in the past service is expanded to meet passenger demand, not on speculation.

Bratina and Eisenberger believe full-day GO train service would be a huge plus for downtown Hamilton.

So does LIUNA president Joe Mancinelli, who says he never could understand why VIA pulled the trains out in the first place.

There’s plenty of parking or space for parking available around LIUNA station, he said, and GO service on the east side of the building, accessed from John Street, wouldn’t affect the banquet centre in any negative way.

“It will be a wonderful thing for Hamilton,” said Mancinelli. “We have been begging for a return of passenger train service and full GO service for years.”

He also pointed out LIUNA got four hectares of land with the station when it bought the building in 1998 for renovation, so there is room to expand station facilities if that is needed someday. Mancinelli would use train service from LIUNA Station himself.


“I hate sitting in traffic,” he said.
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Wow. Am I actually seeing LIUNA in a positive light here? *slaps self*
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Wow this should be a trigger for a major mixed use condo and parking complex. Who will be first to it?
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2008, 2:15 AM
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they've got nowhere to go but up.
Unless they demo Lister.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2008, 2:16 AM
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ahh, I always thought the new station would go across James St in that lot, but it's actually on LIUNA's property back behind the building to the east. makes perfect sense. geez, they could start running trains in tomorrow if they want. the tracks are right there.
Great idea too about the mixed-use parking/condo/retail project. maybe that crappy empty lot across the street will house this.
talk about a huge boost for James North. wow.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2008, 6:29 AM
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ahh, I always thought the new station would go across James St in that lot, but it's actually on LIUNA's property back behind the building to the east. makes perfect sense. geez, they could start running trains in tomorrow if they want. the tracks are right there.
Great idea too about the mixed-use parking/condo/retail project. maybe that crappy empty lot across the street will house this.
talk about a huge boost for James North. wow.
I don't know where i posted it, but on this site or the Canadian Public Transit Discussion Board I posted a plan that talked about this (putting the station building behind where the Banquet Centre is, where all the old platforms were)

Theres plenty of room to do parking garages down there two, and on the other sides of James and John. This way the street level areas could be kept for mixed use development.
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Congrats

As a Mac grad living in Ottawa I am so pleased to hear that VIA and GO will b back at the James street train station. I remember back in the 1990's taking the train to Mac from Pickering from time to time. What a way to arrive in the city. The only sad point was that the big old station was down on its luck. Now its a banquet centre and with the train coming back it will hopefully draw new development to that part of the world.

As a Hamilton booster, this is great news!
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It appears that VIA will not be returning to Hamilton after all, according to a recent story in the Spectator. Here's what VIA's mouthpiece has to say:

“The James Street location just isn’t conducive to us to serve our customers, so we will continue to serve the Hamilton area through Aldershot and Grimsby,” said Via Rail spokesperson Catherine Kaloutsky."

Serving Aldershot and Grimsby over Canada's eighth largest city is absurd, particularly considering that the station is restored, has expanded GO service now, and a forthcoming additional platform, lighting, and ticket kiosk courtesy of the provincial government.

I just got on VIA's website and criticized their decision. The more disgruntled people doing the same could sway them back to Hamilton.
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