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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 5:27 AM
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From the L.A. Times... about the parking structure everyone loves to hate.


Built not to last -- yet still standing



Mel Melcon / Los Angeles Times

When it opened in 1969, the 1,062-car parking structure at 1st and Olive streets downtown was seen as a temporary entity. Planners promised it would be dismantled and moved elsewhere, replaced by a more fitting form of architecture.

In a city known for the fleeting, downtown's 'Erector set' parking lot is one of the civic pieces that've lasted for years. But its time is near.


By Cara Mia DiMassa, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
7:57 PM PDT, March 24, 2008

Even before it opened in 1969, the "Erector set" parking lot at the corner of 1st and Olive streets downtown was one of Los Angeles' most reviled structures.

Richard G. Mitchell, head of the Community Redevelopment Agency, complained that it was just another monolith of concrete, asphalt and steel atop Bunker Hill. The mass of girders and slabs, perched atop what look like stilts, "fights you," Mitchell said. He predicted it would have a "depressing effect" on downtown.

Robert Bolling, president of the Southern California chapter of the American Institute of Architects, agreed, warning that the structure would have a "deleterious effect on the fabric of the city."

At the time, the 1,062-car structure's saving grace was that it was temporary. Planners promised the "portable parking structure" would be dismantled and moved somewhere else, replaced by a more fitting form of architecture.

But as with so many pieces of the L.A. landscape, it wasn't that simple. The fact that it is still here "does say something about the mythology that all of Los Angeles is temporary," author D.J. Waldie said. "Even something that is supposed to be temporary has hung around longer than many residents of the city."

The city is full of examples of how Angelenos tend to take the impermanent and make it endure for the ages. The Olympic rings were meant to hang on the Coliseum only for the 1932 Summer Games -- but still adorn the structure. The Hollywood sign was erected to boost sales for a housing development in 1923. MOCA opened the Temporary Contemporary in 1983 as a provisional exhibition space at a downtown warehouse; it's still in use. We end up relying on those symbols as pieces of our civic fabric, evidence of the fact that we have history and permanence.

The parking structure is officially known, in the bureaucratic parlance of Los Angeles County, which owns it, as "Parking Lot 17."

For a generation of Southern Californians, the strange convergence of steel and asphalt has been the place where citizens parked before filing over to the criminal or civil courts nearby to serve jury duty. Over and over, proposals were made to replace it with a skyscraper -- only to have the plan fizzle and the structure remain.

Looking at it perched atop Bunker Hill, some confused it with a half-finished office building. And as the hill became populated with true architectural gems -- MOCA, the Cathedral and then Frank Gehry's Walt Disney Concert Hall -- the "Erector set" became even more of a blight.

"It's been such an eyesore, such a blot on the landscape," said Donald Shoup, a professor of urban planning at UCLA and an expert on parking.

In a few weeks, workers will finally begin removing the structure. As planners originally promised, it will be replaced by something more architectural: a Frank Gehry-designed condo and shopping complex clad in glass, concrete and limestone.

The structure went up in a matter of months in 1969 as a quick fix for a pressing problem. A survey conducted in 1966 showed that more than 250,000 cars were entering the city center each day, but there were only 81,000 parking spaces.

The designer, engineer Charles Bentley, was marketing what he called a "revolutionary concept": a low-cost portable parking structure that could be erected in a matter of weeks over an existing lot and taken down and moved as land uses changed. His $850,000 edifice was put together much like a child's Erector set. Concrete floors had connectors embedded into them so that they could be easily joined to the support columns and beams.

"I was kind of fascinated by the whole concept," said Samuel Wacht, the architect Bentley tapped for the project. "In some ways, it's like a tract house: If you get one floor plan, you perfect the economic design of that . . . and you can repeat it and effect the savings."

L.A. turned out to be the first major American city to try temporary parking buildings.

The county tapped Bentley to build the structure on the block between 1st and 2nd and Olive and Grand after watching his company, Portable Parking Structures Inc., build a similar edifice on the corner of what is now Temple and Judge John Aiso streets. (It too is still in use.)

L.A.'s cutting-edge parking concept won attention from futurists, who saw only one flaw. "Their appearance -- which is most charitably described as functional -- does not do much to improve the aesthetics of a neighborhood," Time magazine wrote in 1969.

Criticism of the building's austere design, Wacht said, is "probably a fair statement. . . . I guess in those days colors were not as important as they are today.."

But what's important to remember, Wacht said, is that the structure wasn't meant to be pretty; it was meant to be temporary. And as it turned out, the buildings were the product of a rather abbreviated era. Portable Parking Structures built only about two dozen of them -- none of which was relocated anywhere but the trash heap.

"The truth was, they tended to be somewhat ugly," said Gerald Katell, a former president of the company.

The intervening years were not kind to the structure.

In 1999, the Downtown Breakfast Club, a group of urban planners, bestowed one of its Lemon Awards on "the terrible, temporary, Tinker-Toy Tower."

After the Walt Disney Concert Hall finally opened across the street in 2003, the architectural firm Rios Clementi Hale erected a cable lattice on the northern edge of the structure, which eventually was covered over by a tangle of vines.

"A screen out of cables . . . paid a better homage to the parking structure than a block wall," architect Mark Rios said.

By then, downtown L.A. was changing in a way that eventually would seal the structure's fate. In 1969, few people lived downtown. Now, nearly 35,000 people call the city center home, and thousands more are expected to move into rehabilitated office buildings and new luxury lofts in the coming years.

For the last four years, city and county officials have been working with a private developer, Related Cos., to build a mix of retail, housing and a hotel on the lot. Forty years after it was conceived, a skyscraper finally will be built on the site -- two, in fact, designed by Gehry as part of the first phase of the Grand Avenue project.

And though few people may mourn the loss of the lot, it is, in its passing, serving again as a symbol of the city's aspirations -- this time, for residential density in the urban core.

In moving the project forward, city and county officials touted the development's proximity to transportation hubs, including a subway stop nearby. Parking will still be vital; the development includes five levels of underground parking.

Now, Wacht observed with a chuckle, one of his old USC classmates -- that would be Gehry -- is taking the county parking lot that he helped design into its next iteration. Gehry was one of those students, Wacht remembered, who was "in cyberspace. I was in the trenches," he said.

Wacht himself is circumspect about the structure's removal. He harbors no sadness. After all, he said, he expected it to happen decades ago.

Though the structure will not be relocated, it will in some sense be reused -- in a way that is in step with 2008.

Related plans to send most of it to the recycling bin.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 5:49 AM
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Well, it's been nice knowing that structure. I bet it will still be there in a year.
     
     
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16 down, 19 to go for 717 9th.
     
     
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16 down, 19 to go for 717 9th.
When are they going to start the cladding and windows on this guy?
     
     
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I've been wondering the same thing for a while now, too.

Anyways, so long parking structure!
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Fridayinla posted a bunch of photos yesterday on Flickr. For some reason i'm not able to post them here.

Anyways, Hanover still doesn't have that new curved billboard.

Ritz Carlton/Marriot Hotel is on 7th floor.

And Concerto is still on the fifth or sixth floor.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2008, 6:43 PM
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Patrick, you are the MAN!!!!!

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=41045

BTW, I noticed you replaced the name of Grand Avene Ionic Tower to "One Vanity West", and catagorized it as a Fantasy. Isn't it a proposal?
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Fridayinla posted a bunch of photos yesterday on Flickr. For some reason i'm not able to post them here.

Anyways, Hanover still doesn't have that new curved billboard.

Ritz Carlton/Marriot Hotel is on 7th floor.

And Concerto is still on the fifth or sixth floor.
Erm, I posted those yesterday night. Check the previous page.
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Erm, I posted those yesterday night. Check the previous page.


How were you able to paste the images successfully? I normally just use the link and copy it to the reply page; if that doesn't work, I drag the image to it. Only this time, there was only a white page with a red X on it.
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Didn't you know? Westsidelife is a former student of Hogworts. Posting pictures is the first spell they teach you.

POSTA PICTUREOSA!!!!

That's the spell. Go learn it young muggle.
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Didn't you know? Westsidelife is a former student of Hogworts. Posting pictures is the first spell they teach you.

POSTA PICTUREOSA!!!!

That's the spell. Go learn it young muggle.
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So how about that 9th and Figueroa Tower? I heard it's pretty tall.

No I'm dead serious. What happened to it?



I don't know if you were dead serious or joking, but I'm glad you posted this. I looked it up and a piece of the puzzle in my head was filled in. I remember during the building boom of the 80's-90's there was a segment on the news about the future skyline of DTLA. It showed all the proposals on the table and it included two towers taller than the Aon tower. Well I know one of them turned out to be the Library Tower, but I always wondered what happened to that other supertall. So it was the 9th and Figueroa Tower. Canceled due to economic reasons.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?b10571

While it would have been nice to have another supertall, I like the Library tower as our tallest. It's appropriate since it does where the crown.
     
     
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Here's an issue that may actually affect development in Los Angeles. Our approval process really needs to be reformed. From the LA Business Journal


Developers Look for Red-Tape Relief

By HOWARD FINE
Los Angeles Business Journal Staff

Responding to years of complaints about the city’s cumbersome building approval process, L.A. city officials Tuesday announced plans to cut the red tape faced by developers.

The so-called “12 to 2” building reform plan unveiled Tuesday by L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and L.A. City Council President Eric Garcetti would reduce the number of departments that a builder must directly interact with from the current 12 to two.

“Business owners and builders will go to the Planning Department for their entitlements and Building and Safety for their permits, and that’s it,” Garcetti said.

The city’s move was applauded by the local business community, which has long complained about the complexity of obtaining building and project approvals.

“Streamlining project entitlement and permitting in the city of Los Angeles…will eliminate many unnecessary costs, confusion and delays that discourage good development in L.A.,” said Russell Goldsmith, chief executive City National Bank and chairman of the mayor’s Los Angeles Economy and Jobs Committee. The committee had recommended cutting the number of agencies dealing with the building process.
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I knew which tower he was talking about and was laughing when I read that. It was very funny. As far as the 9th and Figueroa tower, it's interesting that the more I look at it, the more similarities I see it having with the US Bank Tower. Sure, the have a clearly different shape but if you could make the 9th and Figueroa tower into a circle square, the scheme of small windows with a strip every so far and what appears to be a crown of it's own, they are indeed similar. Ok, maybe it's just me, I was just eager to share that in case someone saw that too.
     
     
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Someone should do a quick photoshop of what a 1,270 foot tall building would look like on the Concerto site would look like.
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Here's an issue that may actually affect development in Los Angeles. Our approval process really needs to be reformed. From the LA Business Journal


Developers Look for Red-Tape Relief

By HOWARD FINE
Los Angeles Business Journal Staff

Responding to years of complaints about the city’s cumbersome building approval process, L.A. city officials Tuesday announced plans to cut the red tape faced by developers.

The so-called “12 to 2” building reform plan unveiled Tuesday by L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and L.A. City Council President Eric Garcetti would reduce the number of departments that a builder must directly interact with from the current 12 to two.

“Business owners and builders will go to the Planning Department for their entitlements and Building and Safety for their permits, and that’s it,” Garcetti said.

The city’s move was applauded by the local business community, which has long complained about the complexity of obtaining building and project approvals.

“Streamlining project entitlement and permitting in the city of Los Angeles…will eliminate many unnecessary costs, confusion and delays that discourage good development in L.A.,” said Russell Goldsmith, chief executive City National Bank and chairman of the mayor’s Los Angeles Economy and Jobs Committee. The committee had recommended cutting the number of agencies dealing with the building process.
this has been in the works for years, hopefully they can get it done this time.
     
     
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I knew which tower he was talking about and was laughing when I read that. It was very funny. As far as the 9th and Figueroa tower, it's interesting that the more I look at it, the more similarities I see it having with the US Bank Tower. Sure, the have a clearly different shape but if you could make the 9th and Figueroa tower into a circle square, the scheme of small windows with a strip every so far and what appears to be a crown of it's own, they are indeed similar. Ok, maybe it's just me, I was just eager to share that in case someone saw that too.

In design,
that thing actually looks like the World Trade Center's illegitimate little brother
     
     
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Holy fudge!

Thanks for posting that, Colemonkee!

Good lord I hope that gets Approved!
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^ There was a report regarding the "12-to-2" changes in the building approval process this morning on NPR. It hinted that even if it were approved right away, it would still take several months to implement and developers to take advantage of. It's still a great step in the right direction, but don't expect any immediate results. This is more of a long term thing.
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Yeah, I just read about it in the LATimes. This plan is still in the works and will take 6 months for the full details to be announced.
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In a few weeks, workers will finally begin removing the structure. As planners originally promised, it will be replaced by something more architectural: a Frank Gehry-designed condo and shopping complex clad in glass, concrete and limestone.

The structure went up in a matter of months in 1969 as a quick fix for a pressing problem.
Almost 40 yrs later & we're still waiting for that deadzone to be locked up & thrown away! It was supposed to have been done 2 months ago, but I can wait. But for no more than just a few more days....wks.

I can think of countless times thru the yrs I'd drive south on Grand, north of 1st, or either west or east on 1st St, & see that parking lot sitting there & wanna throw my hands up & go


Thanks for the pics, colemonkee, k3d, & fridayinla via westsidelife. They're a great reminder that even without any new groundbreakings this yr, there's still alot to keep track of & to look forward to. And until I saw downtowncharliebrown's image of what 717 9th's height will look like compared with other nearby bldgs, I almost forgot just how much that condo tower will add to the skyline.

However, although I can hardly wait to see that day, & the time when other bldgs like LA Live's hotel are topped off, because of all the uncertainty with the economy right now, I also find myself saying: slow down, ppl! Slow down, concerto! Slow down, Muerelo! As for the Medallion, that appears to be moving slowly enough.

Muerelo's 717 tower does seem to be rising exceptionally fast, & I'd rather have bldgs like that open with as much breathing room as possible, at a time when as many existing condos & apts are filled up.

So I do find myself no longer wondering when work will begin on LA Central, not to mention parkfifth. However, I don't have any more patience for further delays on the Grand Ave proj. Get moving, ppl!!!

And I wish the govt finally would get work underway on its federal court house bldg at 1st & Broadway.

BTW, I notice some of the columns of the 717 condo tower & LA Live hotel are, for design reasons, tilted at an angle. Not as extreme as Disney Hall, but still unusually tilted by past standards. I'm guessing engineers have determined that such a design will be as good as any during an earthquake.
     
     
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