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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 3:05 PM
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^ 230 Dundurn would be ideal.

One of the most profitable LCBO in Ontario is on Dundurn.
It also has the best beer selection. I dont know about wine.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 4:27 PM
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I drove by the new Starbucks tonight. It was closed, but doesn't have a huge presence and I almost missed it (northbound).
I drove by there about 8:30pm last night. It was open but nearly empty. I don't want them bleeding the independents, but I don't wish them ill either. Hope things pick up.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 4:34 PM
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It also has the best beer selection. I dont know about wine.
Definitely the best single malt selection in the city, and you meet the most interesting people hanging out by the single malts. Not that I hang out by the single malts or anything... If you don't know anything about scotch, just stand there looking confused. It won't be long before some scotch fan comes along only too willing to share their passion.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 5:13 PM
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LOL so true Highwater. I am more an Irish Whiskey fan myself. The LCBO on the mountain (Fennell and Gage) has an equally impressive scotch selection, and a significantly better Irish Whiskey selection.
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I drove by there about 8:30pm last night. It was open but nearly empty. I don't want them bleeding the independents, but I don't wish them ill either. Hope things pick up.
has anyone been in it yet??
anytime I've walked by it's been jammed too much so I can't see the layout or whether the place looks cozy at all.
I'm guessing the patio will be a big hit in the summer. Bad dog has the best patio on the street. Courtyard will also have a small patio out front and a large one in the back. If the neighbours can all chill out a little, we'd see another patio at Chatham and Locke as well.
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Typical Starbucks layout is a fireplace with big cozy chairs around it. Than with lots of tables with chairs.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 7:05 PM
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Typical Starbucks layout is a fireplace with big cozy chairs around it. Than with lots of tables with chairs.
That's pretty much what it looks like.

There's a big fireplace on one wall, surrounded with leather couches, and the coffee bar on the other. The only deviation from typical sbux is an actual bar with stools right beside the order pickup area.

It was doing an ok trade this afternoon.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2008, 11:33 PM
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Looked jam packed today, along with the whole street.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2008, 2:37 AM
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LOL so true Highwater. I am more an Irish Whiskey fan myself. The LCBO on the mountain (Fennell and Gage) has an equally impressive scotch selection, and a significantly better Irish Whiskey selection.
Ohhh...Connemarahhhhh. I'm a fan of the Irish meself. I'm a cheap date. It's my hubby who's the scotch snob. Fennell and Gage is too far for my lazy ass, though. As long as I can get me mitts on Connemara and Redbreast I'll stay down below.
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check this out....what a load of crap.
Just tell us you're going ahead with aerotropolis and save us all the money of having some consultant lie to us. 2% is brownfield land....what a joke.


CATCH News – March 22, 2008
Only 2% of bayfront industrial land vacant

A consultant study has concluded that less than two percent of the old industrial bayfront is available for possible redevelopment. The report is being used to bolster arguments for the aerotropolis, but many councillors have reacted with confusion and disbelief at the findings.
The brownfield study <http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/AA8824DF-4643-4C09-8AE6-F72692C63482/0/Mar18PED08066.pdf> conducted by MMM Group used a number of provincial and federal databases to identify 1386 actual or potential contaminated sites in Hamilton, out of approximately 30,000 non-residential properties. But it decided only 91 are vacant and available – with most of the acreage in parts of the city not zoned for industrial development.
In the 3800-acre bayfront industrial area stretching from Wellington Street to Gray’s Road, slightly less than 75 acres met the study’s definition of brownfield. As a result, economic development staff are arguing the city needs to add over 2800 acres of greenfield lands around the airport to accommodate projected job growth.
Slightly smaller projections of need were issued a year ago, and led council to order the brownfield study in the belief that a significant amount of older industrial land could be re-used before considering more expansion onto prime farmland around the airport.
Employment along the bayfront has declined by more than 30,000 jobs in the past quarter-century and a drive along Burlington Street suggests that vast stretches of parking lots and closed buildings are no longer being used. But the study argues there is actually more brownfield land in four suburban business parks, including 44 acres in Flamborough.
Councillors spent over an hour questioning <http://www.hamiltoncatch.org/view_article.php?id=272> their staff and the consultants at this week’s planning committee with mixed results. Brad Clark, Brian McHattie, Terry Whitehead, Bob Bratina and Scott Duvall all questioned the figure as much too low, while Lloyd Ferguson celebrated it as evidence that Hamilton is in much better shape than expected and only needs better enforcement of property standards in industrial areas.
Clark repeatedly challenged the definitions used in the study and succeeded in adding another 232 sites that brownfield’s coordinator Carolyn Reid acknowledged staff “would classify as abandoned underutilized, based on the tax rolls”. However, the size and location of these additional properties remains unclear.
McHattie pressed for a prediction of what lands might come free over the next 23 years – the planning period being used to calculate how much airport land will be part of a greatly expanded aerotropolis business park. He moved a motion that “staff report back on the inclusion of an additional category of employment lands that may become available over the 2031 planning horizon, including the number of hectares in that category.”
But that move was blocked by Guy Paparella, director of airport development, who intervened in the discussion, and argued that “exactly that factor” would be presented later in the day.
“We have taken those kinds of factors into account and our consultants are prepared to answer questions in that regard,” he stated, “so it’s really important to hear the remainder of the presentations today before you start doing those kind of things.”
McHattie agreed to delay his motion, but the meeting lasted over 8 hours and he was one of several councillors who left before it concluded. Staff and consultants eventually contended that employment on older industrial lands will decline over time and thus require even more greenfield areas to be developed.
Whitehead noted that Brantford seems to have identified more brownfield sites than Hamilton and questioned whether Hamilton’s inventory included unused lands owned by Stelco and Dofasco. He was told by Reid that “if there was an element of their properties that fit the vacant definition, then they would have been pulled into the vacant number”.
Bratina’s questioning revealed that functioning scrapyards are not considered brownfields, to which he pointed out that Liberty Energy had purchased a scrapyard for their proposed east Hamilton sludge incinerator. He also pointed to railway lands and other areas that appear to be available for redevelopment.
“I can’t believe the number [91],” he declared. “I’m not saying someone’s telling me a wrong number, it just strikes me as not logical for many of the reasons that have been stated. You drive around and you say, you’re kidding.”
Duvall asked about the former Rheem plant and was told that just because a building is boarded-up doesn’t mean that it’s vacant.
“If we have boarded-up buildings and there’s something going on inside, we’ve got a serious problem of what they’re actually manufacturing in there,” he responded. “It seems to me if we’re going at heading in this way, we’re looking at going to more greenfields .”
Ferguson saw things differently, suggesting that the perception that there are more brownfields than the study found indicates that property standards bylaws are inadequate.
“One of our two key issues was perception and community and our image problem,” he noted. “Do we have a property standards problem then if people who have these facilities are fully operational, paying taxes, but they look like heck on the outside and leave the perception to people driving through town that these are brownfields, derelict buildings?”
He initially called for better property standards bylaws, but Tim McCabe, the general manager of economic development and planning, disagreed, noting that enforcement is strictly on a complaint basis.
“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with our property standards bylaw. It’s just the level of enforcement and our enforcement policies with respect to complaints and the amount of resources that we can devote. And some of it we can’t clean up anyways. It may just look ratty or unkempt, but it’s beyond property standards. It’s really our approach to enforcement and the level of enforcement.”
Ferguson responded that “it can’t be that expensive to take plywood off the windows and put something a little more presentable on them, and maybe a coat of paint, and maybe cut the grass out front.”
He went on to suggest that the planning committee hold a meeting to determine “how we can appeal to the corporate social responsibility, the businesses in our community, to take some pride in ownership and not make them look desolate and create this image of a ghost town, if you will, with these boarded up buildings when it’s not necessary.”
The brownfield study was presented in conjunction with two other studies that will determine the amount of greenfield land the city needs to use for industrial purposes to meet a target of 80,000 additional jobs in Hamilton by 2031.
Consultation with “the public, land owners and various stakeholders” on the latter two studies will take place between now and a final decision in June. In contrast, at this point, the brownfield inventory has only been received for information and future use by staff.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2008, 6:31 PM
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Alot of the open space in the industrial North end is used for outside storage for trailers, steel product, overflow, etc. It's quite valuable as most municipalities don't allow very much of it to exist.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2008, 9:56 PM
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I'm assuming that a lot of the "used" space on the bayfront is actually empty fields being sat on by land prospectors or the kind of land Goldfinger mentioned. So it can be a bit deceiving to someone like myself passing on the bus, though 2% seems a lot lower than I would think.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 12:33 PM
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Anyone know this property?

6 Mar 08

40-44 HUGHSON ST N
41-45 KING WILLIAM ST
City of Hamilton, Hamilton-Wentworth

Sale Price $1,770,000
Vendor: Inmar Co Ltd

Purchaser 2164614 Ontario Inc

Reed Pope LLP Lawyers
848 Courtney St, Ste 200
Victoria, British Columbia
V8W 1C4

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Part Lots 37 & 38, N/S King William St
As in Inst No CD-189995

Area: 716 sm


Consideration Cash: $531,000 Mortgage(s): $1,239,000
Registration Date: 6 Mar 08 Deed(s): VM-275800
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 12:41 PM
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yup....it's the beauty building at the NE corner of Hughson and King William. Room 41 restaurant used to be in there.
any idea of who bought it or why?
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 5:55 PM
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Although I don't know why that article is posted in the Downtown Update section.

I actually agree with the points that Ferguson is making. The city will need to work closer with the property owners to improve how the land is used. I actually don't see very much land that is vacant at all. What I wonder is, not how much land is vacant brownfield, but how much is contaminated? how much of it is harmful to people and the environment? What are the plans for contaminated land that is still owned and used? or are there any?

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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 6:19 PM
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yup....it's the beauty building at the NE corner of Hughson and King William. Room 41 restaurant used to be in there.
any idea of who bought it or why?
Found a visual to help out :


http://www.downtownhamilton.org/HotProperties.asp
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 6:41 PM
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Judy Marsales has the building listed...

http://www.judymarsales.com/listings...properties.htm

You can see the "Sold" sign for the building.

Speaking of Judy Marsales she's suppose to open another real estate office at Locke St this Spring.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2008, 6:46 PM
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^^ Thanks, Steeltown! So that listing includes Room 41 AND Rude Native Bistro? Sweet! I really hope whoever bought is has some great plans and is not just another speculator.

I would love to live in the loft-y upper floors shown in the I-tour on Judy's website! Wow!
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Does anyone know what the progress is on the renovated apartments on top of the gino's on king street? I know it's been sitting on the market for a couple of months now, any reason why there doesn't seem to be much interest? Looks like a pretty good location.

http://www.judymarsales.com/listings...properties.htm
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^ Good location, yes. My guess is that the price is still just too high, despite the renovation.
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