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Old Posted Mar 16, 2008, 1:29 AM
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I don't know why, but I like 717 Ninth the best for some reason. It's cool to see it start to poke through from the 10...
     
     
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Maybe thats because its rising very close to another tower.
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I don't know why, but I like 717 Ninth the best for some reason. It's cool to see it start to poke through from the 10...
I think it might be cool too, but I kinda cringe at the 6 decks of parking. If they wrap it, perhaps it will look ok, but the rendering shows it being exposed. 70 feet of parking is pretty old school LA. For all the good things happening in downtown that parking deck is a bit unfortunate. The Hanover tower seems to have done a nice job covering up their parking.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2008, 8:22 AM
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wtf? i was just there two weeks ago!

is that restaurant relocating?
orsini iii site demolition levels bbq king
by Stephen Friday on March 13, 2008


BBQ King, a Texas-style eatery for tangy-sweet meat that reigned over the northeast corner of Figueroa and Sunset since 1994, was razed today to make way for the third phase of the Orsini housing complex.

Orsini III received the greenlight last Thursday from the Community Redevelopment Agency, making way for a five-story structure containing over 200 units, 13,000 square-feet of commercial space and a 500-car parking structure.

Meanwhile, the popular barbecue joint has moved to a new location at 53rd and Vermont in South Los Angeles. BBQ King’s displacement out of the Downtown market may be permanent.

Fortunately, we can all rest assured developer Geoff Palmer will be securing several new quality retailers for his development’s ground level to make up for the neighborhood loss. Oh, wait…
that’s right… angelenic
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2008, 9:05 AM
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la times takes ignorant stance on downtown market
by Stephen Friday on March 13, 2008
“Downtown not the center of it all,” states a headline from a Los Angeles Times article today that tries to make a case that Downtown’s revival is nothing more than over-inflated hype or a passing fad.


“More than one-third of the residential projects approved by city officials have been sidelined… But some real estate analysts believe downtown’s housing troubles run deeper. They say developers and planners miscalculated its appeal as a residential community, leading them to build far too many projects for the demand.”

The majority of the article stands behind weakening condominium sales statistics and quotes from skittish real estate “experts” and other Downtown nay-sayers to illustrate the argument.

Of course, condo sales here are following the trend of a nation-wide slump and economic downturn, a point clearly explained in the article. However, I’d like to point out a huge oversight of the Times piece: For-sale units comprise only a portion of the local residential market. Downtown’s rental sector remains very strong and occupancy rates in those properties are high.



In fact, South Park’s new 717 Olympic apartment tower will hit the market this spring with asking rates in the chart-topping $4.00 per square-foot range, indicating that ebbing property values and a couple ex-Downtown residents who prefer the comforts of suburban life (as featured in the article) are no gauge of Downtown’s long-term viability.

Overall housing demand in the central city remains very strong, and “organic” improvements such as frequent retail openings, pedestrian-focused enhancements and rail transit expansions are producing a liveable and exciting urban core for all Angelenos.

Aside from the numerous new shops, galleries and restaurants that angelenic scrambles to cover on a daily basis, we regularly encounter business owners and visitors who are enamored with the burgeoning Downtown community and aspire to live here.

Why? Because Downtown’s appeal runs much deeper than the highly publicized mega-projects such as LA Live, Grand Avenue and Park Fifth — the extent of most Downtown coverage offered by the Times.

I challenge the author of the article to step outside of his cubicle at 2nd and Spring to visit the vibrant districts of Little Tokyo, Chinatown, Broadway or the Financial District’s 7th Street on a weekend afternoon. The bustling street life that has ignited in these areas over the last year is tremendous — an undeniable achievement more than any real estate market perceptions or irrelevant quotes can undermine.

While I understand the importance of attention-grabbing headlines and the entertainment value of news, ignorance of the facts and a stacked deck of interviewees provide no insight into an issue.

Despite the Los Angeles Times’ global aspirations, it’s unfortunate they can’t open their eyes and see what’s going on in their own backyard.
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I think it might be cool too, but I kinda cringe at the 6 decks of parking. If they wrap it, perhaps it will look ok, but the rendering shows it being exposed. 70 feet of parking is pretty old school LA. For all the good things happening in downtown that parking deck is a bit unfortunate. The Hanover tower seems to have done a nice job covering up their parking.
Yeah the parking podium is kind of odd but hopefully they'll do something cool with it. And yeah, I agree that the Hanover did a pretty good job of dealing with their parking as well and I think that tower's pretty cool as well.
     
     
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What that LA Times article failed to mention is that nobody could get a loan in over 3 months for the amount needed to buy downtown. It certainly doesn't mean the interest isn't there.
     
     
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As if they'd mention that. It's the LA Times!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2008, 5:35 PM
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orsini iii site demolition levels bbq king
by Stephen Friday on March 13, 2008


BBQ King, a Texas-style eatery for tangy-sweet meat that reigned over the northeast corner of Figueroa and Sunset since 1994, was razed today to make way for the third phase of the Orsini housing complex.

Orsini III received the greenlight last Thursday from the Community Redevelopment Agency, making way for a five-story structure containing over 200 units, 13,000 square-feet of commercial space and a 500-car parking structure.

Meanwhile, the popular barbecue joint has moved to a new location at 53rd and Vermont in South Los Angeles. BBQ King’s displacement out of the Downtown market may be permanent.

Fortunately, we can all rest assured developer Geoff Palmer will be securing several new quality retailers for his development’s ground level to make up for the neighborhood loss. Oh, wait…
that’s right… angelenic
well, it was good while it lasted. no way im gonna be driving all the way down there for their ribs.

by the way, noen of these "quality" retailers wlll possibly compare to BBQ King - do the really think that a jamba juice and a quizno's can possibly make up for an awesome bbq joint?
     
     
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That really sucks to lose BBQ King. I've been going there for 12 years.

EDIT: Moved One Santa Fe to "Approved" on the first page.
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That really sucks to lose BBQ King. I've been going there for 12 years.

EDIT: Moved One Santa Fe to "Approved" on the first page.
I've never been there, of course...but i'm assuming they have great meat.

BTW, thanks for the Approval editing!
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la times takes ignorant stance on downtown market
by Stephen Friday on March 13, 2008
“Downtown not the center of it all,” states a headline from a Los Angeles Times article today that tries to make a case that Downtown’s revival is nothing more than over-inflated hype or a passing fad.


“More than one-third of the residential projects approved by city officials have been sidelined… But some real estate analysts believe downtown’s housing troubles run deeper. They say developers and planners miscalculated its appeal as a residential community, leading them to build far too many projects for the demand.”

The majority of the article stands behind weakening condominium sales statistics and quotes from skittish real estate “experts” and other Downtown nay-sayers to illustrate the argument.

Of course, condo sales here are following the trend of a nation-wide slump and economic downturn, a point clearly explained in the article. However, I’d like to point out a huge oversight of the Times piece: For-sale units comprise only a portion of the local residential market. Downtown’s rental sector remains very strong and occupancy rates in those properties are high.



In fact, South Park’s new 717 Olympic apartment tower will hit the market this spring with asking rates in the chart-topping $4.00 per square-foot range, indicating that ebbing property values and a couple ex-Downtown residents who prefer the comforts of suburban life (as featured in the article) are no gauge of Downtown’s long-term viability.

Overall housing demand in the central city remains very strong, and “organic” improvements such as frequent retail openings, pedestrian-focused enhancements and rail transit expansions are producing a liveable and exciting urban core for all Angelenos.

Aside from the numerous new shops, galleries and restaurants that angelenic scrambles to cover on a daily basis, we regularly encounter business owners and visitors who are enamored with the burgeoning Downtown community and aspire to live here.

Why? Because Downtown’s appeal runs much deeper than the highly publicized mega-projects such as LA Live, Grand Avenue and Park Fifth — the extent of most Downtown coverage offered by the Times.

I challenge the author of the article to step outside of his cubicle at 2nd and Spring to visit the vibrant districts of Little Tokyo, Chinatown, Broadway or the Financial District’s 7th Street on a weekend afternoon. The bustling street life that has ignited in these areas over the last year is tremendous — an undeniable achievement more than any real estate market perceptions or irrelevant quotes can undermine.

While I understand the importance of attention-grabbing headlines and the entertainment value of news, ignorance of the facts and a stacked deck of interviewees provide no insight into an issue.

Despite the Los Angeles Times’ global aspirations, it’s unfortunate they can’t open their eyes and see what’s going on in their own backyard.
photos courtesy of fridayinla angelenic


Finally! Someone who knows the positives that are coming of this revitilization effort.
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^^^ It is not necessary quote the whole message for one line comments.
     
     
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^^^ It is not necessary quote the whole message for one line comments.
Thank you for saying what I was thinking! Better you than me...

Great shots, too! Man, have you a great view from your perch, or what? It's gonna get just that much more wonderful when Ritz/Concerto/717 9th are topped out, then occupied...

717 9th should be almost even with the TCW Tower, right? And Concerto right around Hanover's height?
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I had heard originally that BBQ King was going to occupy retail space once Orsini 3 was finished and I also thought the 3rd phase was to be up to 8 floors. When did these things change?
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Yes. When quoting an article, if you are quoting it to comment on the project, then all you have to do is just quote the title of the article. Or if the title doesn't fit what you are commenting on, or doesn't mention the project, then you can just quote a line or couple of lines or even a paragraph of the article to highlight what you are commenting/responding to. It's not necessary to quote the entire article. Also another way to indicate what project/subject you are commenting on is by entering "Example project name" in the title of your post. See the top of my post to see what I mean.
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Funding Puts Grand Avenue Plan in Starting Position

With $100 million from a Dubai fund, construction of the massive mixed-use development in downtown Los Angeles will begin next month, officials say.

By Cara Mia DiMassa, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 18, 2008

Armed with $100 million from Dubai and a refined design plan, officials Monday said construction will finally begin next month on the Frank Gehry-designed residential and shopping plaza along Grand Avenue that is considered a linchpin to downtown L.A.'s revitalization.

The announcement comes after months of delays and questions about the viability of such a massive development in the midst of L.A.'s real estate slump.

But those doubts were eased significantly Monday when the government agency overseeing the redevelopment approved the investment of Istithmar, a fund controlled by the royal family of Dubai.

The fund stepped in with $100 million after one of Grand Avenue's big early investors, California Public Employees' Retirement System, exited the project, saying the organization was already too heavily invested in the downtown real estate market.

The investment from Dubai gives the developer, Related Cos., the money needed to secure construction loans -- allowing it to finally tear down a parking structure across from the Walt Disney Concert Hall, where the first phase of the development will be built. The $2-billion plan calls for shops, condo towers and a boutique hotel -- as well as a civic park -- on city and county land on Bunker Hill.

"There will always be challenges on this project." said Bill Witte, chief executive of Related California, which is overseeing the project. "But we feel very good about where it is now."

Construction was expected to begin last fall, but the time required for design development and project approvals caused delays.

A lot is riding on the project. Grand Avenue is seen by downtown boosters as a way to bring night life and an upscale feel to the city center.

Russell Brown, president of the Downtown Los Angeles Neighborhood Council and executive director of the Historic Downtown business improvement district, said he had been hearing for months concerns that Grand Avenue was in trouble.

"But any large project takes a while to work things through," Brown said. "In many ways, these haven't been routine delays. To be able to go through those hurdles, in spite of that uncertainty, expresses a great amount of confidence in downtown, and in L.A. I think it's going to be an amazing event."

Craig Webb of Gehry Partners said details of the project were fleshed out from the initial schematic design. Those refinements, he said, included figuring out the facades of the project's two towers, doorway locations and stonework patterns -- "pretty specific stuff."

The towers -- which would house residences as well as a Mandarin Oriental hotel -- would be "skinned" with a combination of glazing, stone and precast concrete.

In addition, Webb said, "we've been working on the interiors of the apartments, getting into very fine details about the kitchens and the bathrooms -- all the stuff that makes a building go together. The full building from top to bottom."

Now, Webb said, another firm will take the designs and translate them into thousands of pages of construction documents.

Two aspects of the design -- the landscaping and public art components -- are still in the works, Witte said. He said he expected the Grand Avenue Authority, which is made up of city and county leaders, to consider those elements in May.

Plans for a public park that is part of the project's first phase are also in the initial stages. Officials hope to unveil a proposed schematic design for the park at a meeting in late April, where they also plan to discuss how the park will be operated and programmed. Witte said he expected construction to begin on the park this year.

There remain skeptics who wonder whether downtown L.A. is being overdeveloped with condo projects. In addition to Grand Avenue, there are a slew of residential towers rising around Staples Center, a 76-story tower proposed next to Pershing Square and other older office buildings being renovated for apartments.

In the last year, about a third of all proposed housing developments downtown have been put on hold or canceled. They include the 50-story Zen tower on 3rd and Hill streets, the Mill Street Lofts in the industrial district, the multitower Metropolis off the 110 Freeway and the conversion of the former Herald Examiner building.

At the meeting Monday, some officials noted downtown's changing landscape.

"We need to continue to wish ourselves good luck," said L.A. County Supervisor Gloria Molina.

The three-phase Grand Avenue project ultimately could include eight condo and office towers, retail stores, a boutique hotel and public park. The first phase includes two towers at opposite ends of the block east of Disney Concert Hall -- set that way to preserve sightlines to the venue from many parts of downtown. The taller tower -- 48 stories -- would include rooftop pools, 264 high-end condo units, a 289-room Mandarin Oriental and an Equinox health club.

The second, 19-story tower would include nearly 100 rental units -- designated as affordable housing -- and 126 condominiums. Phase one also includes the civic park northeast of the concert hall.

The second phase is to be built on the block south of Disney Hall, with preliminary plans calling for two 30- to 35-story residential towers, one five- to six-story residential building and more retail stores and parking. The third phase would go two blocks east of the concert hall. Preliminary plans call for a 35- to 40-story residential building that would include some retail shops and possibly a 15- to 20-story building with office space or condos.


Brown said he had recently returned from Bilbao, Spain, where he saw the Frank Gehry-designed Guggenheim Museum and a trolley system built throughout the city. Brown, who has been working on a similar street car system for Los Angeles, said the trip convinced him of "the extent to which significant architecture and public spaces can really revitalize whole city centers."

He predicted that the public park and Grand Avenue's retail spaces, which could potentially include a gym, bookstore and grocery store, "will start to pull together parts of the community on the northern part of downtown that have never been there before."

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k3d, you have a pretty amazing view, there. Nice shot!
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