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The acticle pointed that all projects have been proposed by companies located in Moncton. In fact, Sonco Casino Gaming New Brunswick used Casino Moncton as well as Casino New Brunswick as other name in "Gazette Royale", we could speculate that they have planned to built it here.

Maritime Casino ULC : Cyr, Verdiroc, Mariott and Ashford - Downtown
CEI Investment (New Brunswick) Corp (Chateau Royal) - Magnetic Hill
Dieppe Resort and Casino Limited - Dieppe


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Quatre projets de casino : la région de Moncton est-elle la seule en lice?

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FREDERICTON - La Commission des loteries du Nouveau-Brunswick a annoncé, aujourd'hui, que quatre promoteurs ont soumis des propositions pour construire, équiper et exploiter un complexe de destination casino dans la province. Toutefois, impossible d’en savoir beaucoup plus que le nom des promoteurs et de leurs partenaires.

Impossible, donc, de confirmer l’emplacement proposé pour ces projets, mais avec un peu de déduction, de recherche et beaucoup de spéculations on sait que les quatre projets ont des liens avec la région de Moncton.

Premièrement, il y a le Dieppe Resort and Casino Limited, qui, si son nom n’induit pas en erreur, serait proposé à Dieppe ou dans la région.

Ensuite, il y a le Maritime Casino ULC. Dans la liste de partenaires, on retrouve Cyr Holding, de l’homme d’affaires de Moncton Bernard Cyr, et Ashford Developments, une compagnie qui a déjà des terrains au centre-ville. On sait que Ashford est un partenaire de Verdiroc qui depuis des années a des projets pour le développement du centre-ville de Moncton.

Il y a aussi CEI Investment (New Brunswick) Corp. Une recherche dans la Gazette Royale permet de découvrir qu’elle est également enregistrée sous le nom de Château Royal. C’est exactement le nom qui a été employé dans les médias pour décrire un projet de casino qui pourrait voir le jour à l’extérieur du centre-ville de Moncton, possiblement dans la région de la Côte magnétique ou même au terrain de golf Royal Oaks.

Le plus compliqué semble être, le Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Limited Partnership. Cette société qui est enregistrée au Nouveau-Brunswick est située sur la rue Saint-Georges à Moncton. Reste à savoir si l’adresse postale a en effet un lien avec l’emplacement proposé. Lorsque questionnée, la compagnie a refusé de commenter, par crainte d’être écartée du processus. Toutefois, une recherche a permis de découvrir qu'elle était aussi enregistrée sous le nom de Casino Moncton et de Casino New Brunswick. On peut en déduire qu'elle a, à un moment donné considéré, Moncton pour son projet.

Évidemment, il ne s’agit là que d’indices qui démontrent que tous les projets ont des liens avec la grande région de Moncton. Il ne s’agit aucunement de preuves tangibles sur lesquelles on pourrait conclure sans l’ombre d’un doute que la région de Saint-Jean ne fait pas partie des projets proposés.

Et possiblement qu’il ne sera jamais possible de connaître la teneur de toutes les propositions. Marc Belliveau, porte-parole du ministère des Finances, explique que seule la proposition choisie sera dévoilée.

«C’est très très très réglementé ce processus-là. Le public saura le projet qui a été accepté et ce qu’il contient. Les autres auront été rejetés et vont retourner à ceux qui les ont proposés. L’information va demeurer privée », a expliqué M. Belliveau.

La prochaine étape consiste à évaluer rigoureusement les propositions. Les équipes évalueront les propositions par rapport aux critères préétablis.

Les promoteurs ont été priés d'inclure les services auxiliaires, pouvant inclure, entre autres, une installation pour les courses de chevaux Standardbred, un hôtel, un théâtre de création, des salles de réunion ou de congrès, des sites d'événements spéciaux, des restaurants, des salons ou restaurants de spécialité, ou des installations récréatives.

Les évaluations seront examinées également par un groupe d'experts de concertation. Tout le processus est surveillé par KPMG, une entreprise internationale de conseillers en processus, qui assure également la surveillance de l'équité pour le projet.

Pour l’instant, même le ministre des Finances, Victor Boudraux, n’a pas vu les projets qui ont été proposés. Toutefois, il se dit heureux de voir l’intérêt des promoteurs.

«Dans une province de la taille de la nôtre, cela est une excellente représentation des soumissionnaires intéressés», a souligné M. Boudreau.

La prochaine étape est l'évaluation des propositions. Nous sommes heureux du fait que le processus de demande de propositions se déroule comme prévu.»

Le Nouveau-Brunswick serait la huitième province à avoir un complexe de destination casino au Canada.

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The acticle pointed that all projects have been proposed by companies located in Moncton. In fact, Sonco Casino Gaming New Brunswick used Casino Moncton as well as Casino New Brunswick as other name in "Gazette Royale", we could speculate that they have planned to built it here.

Maritime Casino ULC : Cyr, Verdiroc, Mariott and Ashford - Downtown
CEI Investment (New Brunswick) Corp (Chateau Royal) - Magnetic Hill
Dieppe Resort and Casino Limited - Dieppe
Interesting. The question is which Moncton company or companies are proposing to build a casino in Saint John.
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Interesting. The question is which Moncton company or companies are proposing to build a casino in Saint John.
Good question. However, Maritime Casino ULC and CEI Investment (New Brunswick) Corp already said they will propose something here. Maybe Sonco Casino Gaming New Brunswick (Moncton Casino) is for SJ.
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Odds increase for Moncton casino
All four bids to build casino have Metro Moncton connections

By Jesse Robichaud
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Friday March 14th, 2008
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Even the Liberal government's best poker face can't hide the signs that suggest Metro Moncton will be home to New Brunswick's first and only casino in 2010.

Finance Minister Victor Boudreau placed very few cards on the table when he announced the four business groups bidding to construct a casino in the province yesterday, but what was said appears to have increased the odds of a casino being built in Metro Moncton.

While media reports have focused on a showdown between Moncton and Saint John in the casino sweepstakes, there are several indications that suggest that all four bids accepted by the province converge in southeastern New Brunswick.

The bids come from four business coalitions struck between a mix of local, national, and international companies with experience in the fields of casino development, design, and capital investments.

Boudreau stated that representatives of the business interests involved in the bidding process have been asked to sign confidentiality agreements and avoid contact with MLAs until the winning bid is expected to be announced in May.

However, the information that is available offers credence to speculation that suggests Moncton-based projects will dominate the government's selection process.

The first consortium named by Boudreau is CEI Investments (New Brunswick) Corp., which is also incorporated under the name Chateau Royale in the provincial government's corporate affairs registry.

Chateau Royale has been reported to be looking at casino sites on the outskirts of Moncton. Moncton businessman David Hawkins has been reported to be acting as the front man for the New England business interests. Boudreau confirmed that Carabetta Enterprises Ltd, a Connecticut-based financial company, is backing the proposal, along with Century Resorts International Ltd., which is subsidiary of Colorado-based Century Casinos. The Colorado firm operates 12 casinos around the world including one in Edmonton.

The second bidding proponent named by Boudreau today was Dieppe Resort and Casino Limited. The name alone indicates that the bid is likely based in Dieppe. The proposal is backed by Toronto based Dundee Realty Corporation and Buttcon Energy Inc. construction firm, and ADI Group Inc., a Maritimes-based engineering and design firm. Rumors have swirled over the casino-potential of land near Fox Creek Golf Club.

The third proposal announced comes from Maritime Casino ULC, which brings together local heavyweights like Bernard Cyr's Cyr Holdings. Inc, and Ashford DG Holdings, Inc, with global giants like Marriott Hotel International.

New Millenium Equities and Paragon Gaming Inc., of Las Vegas, round out the Maritime Casino proposal. Cyr, who constructed the Chateau Moncton on the edge of the Petitcodiac River on Main Street, is well known for his success in several business ventures and has been active player in downtown development for many years.

The combination of Cyr's involvement and the participation of Marriott, which is currently in the final stages of constructing a six-storey Marriott Residence Inn on Main Street, is a strong indication that Maritime Casino ULC is proposing a downtown project.

Moncton's Ashford firm has in the past been linked to Toronto-based Verdiroc in the development of a proposed downtown convention centre, and has completed the renovation the old YMCA headquarters on Highfield Street. The local firm has also been involved in further developing the Power Centre of Mapleton Road.

Paragon, which represents the project's gambling expertise, has developed two casino projects with First Nations communities in Edmonton and Whitecourt, Alberta, and another independent project in Vancouver.

Finally, Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Limited Partnership was the last proposal named by Boudreau, who proceeded in alphabetical order.

Sources indicate that the project is indeed a very broad partnership being lead by Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Limited. Sonco's Halifax parent company developed and currently operates a casino project with an Alberta First Nation community.

Sonco reportedly signed an agreement to share the project's profits with 13 of New Brunswick's First Nations communities. Elsipogtog, the province's largest First Nation community located near Richibucto, and Red Bank did not sign on to the agreement.

While Sonco has signed agreements with First Nations communities across the province, the fact that Sonco is also incorporated under the names Casino New Brunswick and Casino Moncton indicates they are interested in a Metro-based project.

There is speculation that Sonco's bid would place a casino near the Royal Oaks Golf Course on the outskirts of Moncton.

Clairvest Group Inc, a Toronto-based equity investment firm, will provide the project's capital, while Naveante Group Inc., a Las Vegas based casino developer founded by former MGM Chairman and CEO, Larry J. Woolf, will provide the gambling expertise for the Sonco project.

The government's evaluation process, which will likely take until the end of May, will take place outside of the influence of the Liberal government, said Boudreau.

"They will evaluate each of the four proposals and arrive with a recommendation for government. It is really a process that it outside of government completely,"said Boudreau, likening the process to the procedures followed previously to choose major highway projects.

Boudreau did not indicate whether bids had been refused for providing insufficient information.

He said five individual teams, made up of civil servants, Atlantic Lottery officials, have been set up to evaluate various elements of the proposals.

"Each element, for example, of each bid will be evaluated. We will look at the business plan, the impact on the local economy, we will look at the other developments that come with the destination casino."

Boudreau noted that the financial track record of each company involved would also be taken into account.

http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/front/article/240290
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One-in-four chance
Casino Four bidders announced for the development project; location still unconfirmed

MEGAN O'TOOLE
TELEGRAPH JOURNAL
Published Friday March 14th, 2008
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FREDERICTON - The odds are set: Each proponent has a one-in-four chance to win the bid for New Brunswick's destination casino project.

Finance Minister Victor Boudreau revealed Thursday a list of four bidders for the project, which is expected to breathe new life into the province's tourism sector. Based on the names involved, it appears likely the casino is headed for the Moncton region, though Boudreau would not confirm a location.

"Government is very pleased with the interest which has been shown in this project," Boudreau said, noting the next stage will be a rigorous evaluation process that will involve gaming experts and be monitored by an international consultant.

The proposals will then be brought to ad hoc committees and cabinet blind, without the bidders' names attached.

Proponents - which include the CEI Investment (New Brunwsick) Corp., Dieppe Resort and Casino Ltd., Maritime Casino ULC and Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Ltd. Partnership - have been gagged from speaking with the media or MLAs until the bidding process is complete.

Links to Moncton are evident among all four proponents.

Ashford DG Holdings, Inc., the Moncton-based partner of Toronto's Verdiroc Development Corp., is a member of Maritime Casino ULC. Verdiroc has gone public with its desire to build a gambling centre on the former Beaver Lumber property in downtown Moncton.

"It would make Moncton just a fantastic place to have a convention at, visit, (attract) tourism, do business; it would bring so many components," Verdiroc president and CEO Kevin Green said in an interview with the Telegraph Journal. "The opportunity to make downtown Moncton completely special, one of the superstars of Atlantic Canada, is definitely in our hands."

Marriott Hotel International is also a member of Maritime Casino ULC, and a new Marriott hotel is under construction just minutes from the former Beaver Lumber site.

CEI has been reported to be looking at two possible Moncton sites, Royal Oaks Estates and Magnetic Hill.

Sonco Gaming was listed in the government's Royal Gazette earlier this year as being registered in Moncton. As for Dieppe Resort and Casino Ltd., the link is in the name - the city of Dieppe is directly west of Moncton.

Some of the larger players that had been floated as potential bidders were noticeably absent from Thursday's announcement, including Trump Entertainment Resorts and Great Canadian Gaming.

Howard Blank, vice-president of media and entertainment for GCG, said his company spent a substantial amount of time working on a casino proposal. But financial constraints ultimately forced the firm to make choices about what it was going to move forward with, and other projects were prioritized, he said.

"The cost of doing business has changed dramatically in the last six months," Blank said. "We spent enormous due diligence in New Brunswick ... but unfortunately it just wasn't something we could go through with at this time."

The company wants to leave the door open to working on gaming projects in the province in future, he added.

Opposition Leader Jeannot Volpé said the Tories approve of the procedures set out by the Liberals for evaluating the proposals and said his party will monitor the process strictly.

"We will follow this one very closely to make sure they do not try to go away from the system," he said.

The deadline for selecting a preferred proponent is May 15. Boudreau said Thursday that the complex, which will be financed by the private sector, is expected to be operational no later than Dec. 31, 2010.

The casino's gaming floor will offer a maximum of 800 electronic gaming devices and a minimum of 12 conventional table games. It could also include a poker area, keno, off-track betting or a lottery ticket kiosk.

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Four proposals submitted for NB's first casino, observers give Moncton edge

March 14, 2008 - 6:54 am
By: News 91.9 Staff

FREDERICTON, NB - Four companies are vying to build and operate New Brunswick's first casino.

According to the request for proposals, the inclusion of additional services such as harness racing, hotel, theatre, restaurants or recreation facilities will weigh heavily in the assessment process.

The casino would be built and operated by the private sector, but the Liberal government expects to collect about $25 million in revenues.

Early speculation has Saint John and Moncton as the frontrunners for the attraction, with most observers giving Moncton the edge.

A successful bid for Saint John could mean a life line for the struggling harness racing industry.

A casino in Moncton could be the center piece to a downtown development project almost 10 years in the making.

Already there are opposing views on whether it will be a success.

Peter McKenna, a political studies professor at UPEI has just written a book on the gaming industry in Atlantic Canada and says he doubts a New Brunswick casino will get enough traffic to be successful, even if it's in Moncton.

However, Bill Rutsey, president of the Canadian Gaming Association says the government and the four proponents wouldn't have gone this far if they weren't confident of success.
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Well considering that at least 3 of the 4, if not all 4 of the proposals are for the Moncton area, I'd say these observers are really going out on a limb with that prediction
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I truly believe that once the Quebec partner backed out of the Saint John racino concept that any rfp from SJ was done.
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Rocker Thorogood to play Moncton

Published Friday March 14th, 2008
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Blues rocker George Thorogood, known for hits "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer," "Get A Haircut" and "Move It On Over" among many others, is on his way back to Moncton, according to his official website.

Thorogood's website lists him and his band The Destroyers playing the Moncton Coliseum on June 7. The website also lists dates in Summerside (June 5) and Halifax (June 6).

Thorogood was last in Moncton on April 14, 2004.

No other information about the upcoming show was available at press time.
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So 3/4 or possibly 4/4 of the proposals are for Moncton? Interesting
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Downtown :: Main Street/Mechanic Street



1 :: Heritage Holding : Courthouse Proposal, 123,000 S/F (Opening : 2009)

2 :: Fortis Properties : Blue Cross Center extension : 57,000 S/F, Class A (Completed)

3 :: Southwest Properties : Mariott/The Keg : 6-Story, 137-Rooms/Parking Garage. (Opening : June 2008)


Downtown :: Assumption Blvd


4 :: Verdiroc/Ashford/Cyr Holding/Paragon Gaming/Marriott International (Proposal)

Casino
Convention Center : 60 000-70 000 S/F
Hotel : 150/300-Rooms
Performance Venue/Theater
Restaurants
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5 :: Assomption-Vie :: On Hold.
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Metro casino would become business magnet
Hotels, restaurants, entertainment centre built around casino would generate income, help city attract more visitors and events

BY ALAN COCHRANE
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Published Saturday March 15th, 2008
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A casino in Metro Moncton would act like an anchor store in a shopping mall to draw in other businesses and draw more special events or conventions to town, the president of the Canadian Gaming Association said yesterday.

Hotels, restaurants, bars and other forms of entertainment and recreation that surround the hotel will become a big part of the attraction.

"In the gaming world, there is more and more reliance on additional forms of revenue other than gaming," Bill Rutsey said yesterday. "Developers want to have a more complete attraction and experience for the patrons. Gambling is the anchor, but you need to offer people a place to stay, a place to go for a meal and maybe a drink, go golfing or whatever else they want to do."

The facilities and businesses that surround an actual casino are commonly referred to as ancillary services, and they become part of the big package that draw in visitors.

New Brunswick is now beginning its review of proposals from developers who want to build and operate the province's first casino. And a big part of those proposals will be the ancillary services that make up the complete package.

Details of the proposals are being kept secret and representatives of the companies involved in the bidding process have been asked to sign confidentiality agreements until the winning bid is announced in May.

That means it could be a while before people of Metro Moncton know what the actual proposed casinos will look like, and exactly where it might be located. The bids submitted this week indicate the casino will likely be built in Dieppe or Moncton, but the exact location is unknown.

But Finance Minister Boudreau has said additional services and attractions around a casino would play a big part in which proposal is accepted.

That leaves people in Metro Moncton to speculate on what it might look like, where it would be located and what kind of businesses or services would surround it.

Rutcey said the companies submitting proposals to build and operate the casino would have hired expert consultants and marketers to determine what kind of services would work best in certain locations. The proposals would include the size of the casino, the number and type of games it would have and extra facilities.

Rutcey compared it to building a shopping mall, and finding a variety of businesses and services to surround the anchor stores.

He speculated that if the casino was built in a downtown area, developers might enter into a partnership with existing hotels and restaurants. If it was built in a "green field" area, it would likely incorporate hotels, restaurants and convention centre space into an all-new development. Eventually, other businesses would likely fill in the spaces to take advantage of the increased traffic flow.

The type of businesses, services and facilities that surround a casino would depend on local market demand, Rutcey said. In some places, like Las Vegas, casinos have built amusement parks designed for children in an effort to create a family-friendly destination. Parks that provide daycare allow parents peace of mind as they drop off the kids on the way to the casino.

Another possibility is a larger entertainment complex. Some casinos have large ballrooms that can host big shows.

Daniel Allain, executive-director of Downtown Moncton Centre Ville, said there is a good business case to put a casino in the downtown and that it would help future development.

"Opportunities like this don't happen too often, so let's hope the government looks at this option seriously," Allain said.

Marc Chouinard, general manager of the Capitol Theatre, said yesterday he'd still like to see a large room that could host crowds of about 3,000 people for bigger shows. The Capitol itself has a seating capacity of 800.

People involved with standardbred horse racing have also been pressing to have a new track included as part of any casino development.

Moncton Mayor Lorne Mitton says the city is sitting tight on the casino issue for the moment as the province examines the proposals. He said the city isn't permitted to offer any enticement to the companies involved in the process or speculate on what those proposals might include.

Mitton would only say the city is open for business and will give a serious look at the winning proposal if it is offered to Moncton.

Moncton has also been wrestling with the idea of a new convention centre and/or a large new hockey arena in the downtown core. The new Marriott Hotel downtown is rapidly taking shape next to the Blue Cross Centre but there are still several open areas and many vacant business spaces along Main Street.Rutcey said a convention centre, arena, more hotel rooms and business space could all be brought together with a casino into an attractive package that would help draw in special events and conventions.

He said various professional groups, associations and special events look for the entire package. A casino is not what is going to determine whether someone like that goes to Moncton versus Halifax, but the surrounding services could do it.

"The more you are offering groups or associations that are planning their convention or special event, the better the chance that they will come."

Minister clarifies position

The Atlantic Lottery corporation (ALc) will not be involved in the selection process for a casino in the process.

On Thursday, Finance minister Victor Boudreau announced the four business alliances that were competing to win the nod from the provincial government to build a casino that will open in 2010.

Boudreau mistakenly told reporters that ALc would be a part of the selection team, and retracted his comment yesterday. He clarified the government’s position.

However, ALc is involved developing the new policies and standards for the new video lottery program, which is also included in the province’s “responsible gaming” policy.
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However, Bill Rutsey, president of the Canadian Gaming Association says the government and the four proponents wouldn't have gone this far if they weren't confident of success.
I agree that the developers are probably confident and that's a good sign.

However, saying that the governemtn wouldn't go this far on a bad idea seems a little naive...
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The government doesn't really have anything to lose from the casino project. They've made it clear the entire plan must be paid for and built by the private sector. Even in the unlikely event that it goes belly-up, the only money they'd lose is the revenue they wouldn't have had anyway if they hadn't agreed to gambling in the first place.
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Nice job on the diagrams Erick! Really shows how much change and infill we will hopefully see within the next 5 or so years...and thinking further (10-15 yrs) maybe a new stadium downtown as well.
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Nice job on the diagrams Erick! Really shows how much change and infill we will hopefully see within the next 5 or so years...and thinking further (10-15 yrs) maybe a new stadium downtown as well.
Thank you Matt. I just hope the government going to choose downtown location. To me, this is the naturel choice to ensure downtown long-term viablity, vibrancy as well as development. Downtown is the heart of the city it is the place tourists used to visit first. You could not just put Casino at the edge of the city without substantial impacts on inner city business climate. I wish government officials and KPMG are aware of it.
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Thank you Matt. I just hope the government going to choose downtown location. To me, this is the naturel choice to ensure downtown long-term viablity, vibrancy as well as development. Downtown is the heart of the city it is the place tourists used to visit first. You could not just put Casino at the edge of the city without substantial impacts on inner city business climate. I wish government officials and KPMG are aware of it.
I agree, if it ends up going elsewhere other than downtown I will be extreemly annoyed...we already have enough investment on the edges of the city ...but obviously the government has no control over that...in this case they have the choice to better the city by forcing development on downtown where it belongs!
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I agree, if it ends up going elsewhere other than downtown I will be extreemly annoyed...we already have enough investment on the edges of the city ...but obviously the government has no control over that...in this case they have the choice to better the city by forcing development on downtown where it belongs!
Very accurate. Moreover, the majority of Casinos all over North-America are located Downtown, I dont see why Moncton would be different.
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oh nice they angled it much better, now you can see Assumption etc, very nice
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2008, 2:18 AM
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Big improvement on the webcam.
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