Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[econgrad]

Originally Posted by snfenoc

I can't wait to vote for Prop 98.

Agreed! How dare people think that we are better off allowing the Government to take property from private citizens.

http://yesprop98.com/

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by econgrad

Agreed! How dare people think that we are better off allowing the Government to take property from private citizens.

http://yesprop98.com/

You've lost all my respect with that endorsement! You've GOT to be kidding me! First global warming and now this...it seems you are quite delusional!!!

[snfenoc]

Originally Posted by neuhickman79

You've lost all my respect with that endorsement! You've GOT to be kidding me! First global warming and now this...it seems you are quite delusional!!!

Well that's not a very tolerant and diverse thing to say.

[TowerDistrict]

I just don't understand why so many think it's a terrible thing for government to force a sale for private development, but it's okay to force sale of property for something such as a freeway through a neighborhood?

There seems to be this distinct line that people don't want crossed between private and public developments - and all i can think about is the numerous examples of freeways and even public transit systems gutting neighborhoods. In my eyes, that's so much worse than a few retail shops replacing a blighted area.

[jsf8278]

I think a big problem with the whole K street ED is this: The city is attempting to force the sale of privately help property and plans to then resell it to another private individual.
As far as ED law goes, that is one of the hardest types of ED cases to win. Municipalities have a much easier time when they are forcing the sale of private property to build a road.

[TowerDistrict]

i understand the difference. I just don't understand why people think that's more acceptable?

When the controversy of K Street finally blows over, will people look back at it and think it worse than I-5 and 80/50 gutting through the central city? Because, in the grand scheme of things, I consider that the ultimate abuse of government.

Wrestling properties from a slumlord so they can be renovated strikes me more as a city simply looking out for itself.

[econgrad]

Originally Posted by TowerDistrict

I just don't understand why so many think it's a terrible thing for government to force a sale for private development, but it's okay to force sale of property for something such as a freeway through a neighborhood?

There seems to be this distinct line that people don't want crossed between private and public developments - and all i can think about is the numerous examples of freeways and even public transit systems gutting neighborhoods. In my eyes, that's so much worse than a few retail shops replacing a blighted area.

I never said anything about a freeway. I as well do not think the Government should have that much power either. Overall, the real solution is in the planning process, solve these problems like transportation BEFORE all is developed. As far as K street and redevelopment, it is very unwise to allow the City, State or any Government agency to control what is felt necessary for development. If we would just allow market forces to work, we wouldn't of had this K street problem in the first place. There is much profit to be made on K street, let the private sector do its work.

Sorry Neuhickman that I lost your respect, these are my beliefs and I will stand by them. I am willing to discuss these, as we did before, I enjoy our debates very much. Its good to talk with people with opposing view points, its too boring to be surrounded by people who think the same.

[innov8]

Bob Shallit:

Sacramento Bee
March 12, 2007

Just moving: It took longer than expected. But officials at Mercy General Hospital are ready to move a handful of homes – and demolish others – that stand in the way of its controversial expansion plan.

This week, a one-story home at 848 39th St. will be relocated to a vacant lot at 46th and T streets. An adjacent single-family residence will be transported later to Oak Park. At least one other dwelling may be moved.

The remaining residences are scheduled to be demolished within the next 45 days, says Wendy Hoyt, an urban planning consultant who is working with Mercy.

"They're all older homes in disrepair," Hoyt says, adding that Mercy is pleased it's been able to salvage at least some of the dwellings. "If we move one, that's fantastic. If we move two or three, that's even better."

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[econgrad]

^ Why bother preserving any of them...this preservation is madness!

[TowerDistrict]

Originally Posted by econgrad

I never said anything about a freeway. I as well do not think the Government should have that much power either. Overall, the real solution is in the planning process, solve these problems like transportation BEFORE all is developed. As far as K street and redevelopment, it is very unwise to allow the City, State or any Government agency to control what is felt necessary for development. If we would just allow market forces to work, we wouldn't of had this K street problem in the first place. There is much profit to be made on K street, let the private sector do its work.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular in my comments - just general observation. I know you and snfenoc are more rigid on this issue than most. There seems to be a majority that considers ED for public projects as acceptable - and i disagree that this reasoning is somehow "okay".

[goldcntry]

Originally Posted by innov8

Bob Shallit:

This week, a one-story home at 848 39th St. will be relocated to a vacant lot at 46th and T streets. An adjacent single-family residence will be transported later to Oak Park. At least one other dwelling may be moved.

"They're all older homes in disrepair," Hoyt says, adding that Mercy is pleased it's been able to salvage at least some of the dwellings. "If we move one, that's fantastic. If we move two or three, that's even better."

* * *

Am I the only one who thinks this is kinda crazy in my mind? Granted, I do spend a majority of my life up here in the Emerald Tower and the elevation does tend to thin out the brain cells, but these house moves just don't make sense to me.

I don't know all the logistics of this particular move, but I have had experience with house moving albeit in Jackson. The house they're moving from near the corner of 39 and H has a very looooong route through midtown to get all the way to 46th and T.

The most direct route is straight up 39th to T and then east on T.

Some obstacles include:

• Narrow 39th Street...
  
• Narrow 39th Street with lots of overhanging trees...
  
• Low power/phone lines running on both sides of Folsom BLVD...
  
• Lightrail lines at 39th and the Freeway...
  
• The Freeway...
  
• More powerlines, narrow streets, and the Elms of Elmhurst...

Yes it could be done but at what cost? Mercy may gain some sentimental goodwill for moving a less-than-spectacular house, but does it measure up to all the grief and work that this kind of move will cause? And they want to do it for more than one home??? My mind boggles. I don't want to sound harsh to the current residents of the effected homes; I'm sure they love their homes very much. I just have to ask at what point does sentimentality trump sanity?



oh wait... this is East Sac....

[sugit]

Check this out a new hotel for 13th and I Street


http://www.twinsoup.com/index.html

Luxury boutique Hotel AVIA is coming to the corner of 13th & I Street in Sacramento!

AVIA, it's brand essence of 'The Art Of Living Well' will set out to put a fresh new face on the hospitality industry evoking the inviting ambiance of a cocktail party thrown by a gracious local host. AVIA Hotel will "surround guests with imaginative design and samplings of authentic food and wine pairings. Hosts will share local lore, pulling strings to help guests explore under-the-radar restaurants and the hottest shopping spots."

According to developer Roger Hume, the new luxury boutique hotel AVIA will feature 22-stories, a roof top pool & spa, roof top bar & lounge named Politix, a mid-level courtyard for guests and a second Masque Restaurant on the ground floor with an urban twist.

As for the interiors & design, Hume has hired Colum McCartan, known for such masterpieces as Hotel Vitale in San Francisco, & The Biltmore in New York. According to Hume, the interiors of AVIA Sacramento will have the look and feel of both Hotel Vitale & and Tower 31. We are told the projected completion date is the first part of 2010. Stay tuned...

[TWAK]

Originally Posted by neuhickman79

You've lost all my respect with that endorsement! You've GOT to be kidding me! First global warming and now this...it seems you are quite delusional!!!

oh i see, apparently the government cant tell you what to do with your body, or your relationships, but they sure as hell can take away your private land?

[creamcityleo79]

Originally Posted by TWAK

oh i see, apparently the government cant tell you what to do with your body, or your relationships, but they sure as hell can take away your private land?

I didn't say that. I just think that government should have this at it's disposal in circumstances like the Mohnna/K St debacle. I am more concerned about someone who does not believe in global warming and could stand in the way of saving our planet. The ED thing was just the kicker for me!

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by TWAK

oh i see, apparently the government cant tell you what to do with your body, or your relationships, but they sure as hell can take away your private land?

Just out of curiosity, have you ever owned your own home?


Property owners do have responsibilities and part of those responsibilities as a homeowner (or landowner) is to maintain your property..


Owning property doesn't give you the right to let it fall into a state of disrepair so that you bring down the surroudning neighborhood with you, increasing blight or crime.

[innov8]

Originally Posted by sugit

Check this out a new hotel for 13th and I Street


http://www.twinsoup.com/index.html

Luxury boutique Hotel AVIA is coming to the corner of 13th & I Street in Sacramento!

According to developer Roger Hume, the new luxury boutique hotel AVIA will feature 22-stories, a roof top pool & spa, roof top bar & lounge named Politix, a mid-level courtyard for guests and a second Masque Restaurant on the ground floor with an urban twist.

That appears to be the former Epic Project site. I'll beleive it when it's topped out in 2010 or whatever the first part is

[snfenoc]

Originally Posted by urban_encounter

Just out of curiosity, have you ever owned your own home?


Property owners do have responsibilities and part of those responsibilities as a homeowner (or landowner) is to maintain your property..


Owning property doesn't give you the right to let it fall into a state of disrepair so that you bring down the surroudning neighborhood with you, increasing blight or crime.

What gives you the right to tell me what responsibilities I have with my property? You pay attention to your sh%t, I'll pay attention to mine.

[sugit]

Originally Posted by innov8

That appears to be the former Epic Project site. I'll beleive it when it's topped out in 2010 or whatever the first part is

I actually think the site is where Bountiful Market used to be. I heard about this about 6-8 months ago when then they first closed, but never saw or heard anything after that.

[TowerDistrict]

That's very cool. Coincidentally, the interior designer for that project worked on Hotel Vitale which is owned by Joie De Vivre who are doing up The Citizen.

I hope for the sake of eating up ugly ass vacant lots, that they mean they're building it on the north-west corner of 14th & I... but that seems doubtful. The lot I'm referring to I think used to be a building that the Unibomber hit.

If it is at 13th & I where Bountiful Market used to be, then that is directly next door to the Sterling Hotel. I wonder if those two hotels/restaurants can coexist well?

[jsf8278]

Originally Posted by snfenoc

What gives you the right to tell me what responsibilities I have with my property? You pay attention to your sh%t, I'll pay attention to mine.

What gives Urban and every other citizen that right are laws that by require property owners to maintain the marketability of their property. Its really not about paying attention your your own Sh%t as you say.

What makes you think you can do whatever you want with your property? You don't own some absolute right to it. Your ownership rights to your property include responsibilities. If you don't abide by those responsibilities, one consequence can be government acquisition.