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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 10:03 AM
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Welcome to the forum, Callasphile; something like the picture you posted WOULD be iconic and welcome, even if it seems hella-impractical. Still, I think it ties together the mountains, the "salt," and as UrbanBoy noted, even the temple thing together quite nicely. Rill purdy.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 11:53 AM
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Hey, This is my first time posting on this site I just found out about it. What a cool place. I agree that the few existing historic buildings should stay it is I think that it is vital for a city to have layers of history. Thats a big part of what seperate downtown form sandy. Anyway I thought the slender tower in this picture looked nice in the skyline. It is a new tower by Jeans Nouvel next to the MOMA.
Wecome Callasphile, I like you're iconic tower. We need to start thinking along those lines for our skyline. A few variations on that theme would be great, or even something in the realm of the Chrysler Tower's deco top. I like you're tower in the way that it compliments our extraodinary mountain backdrop.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 12:01 PM
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Is Sandy set to steal show?
A contract with production company may pre-empt SLC Broadway theater


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8542227

Salt Lake Valley's Broadway-theater race may be over before it begins.
Sandy is courting an internationally renowned production powerhouse, with theaters from Los Angeles to London, to take the reins of its planned 2,800-seat playhouse....


....And Dolan is not worried about negotiating whether Sandy's operator also could present shows at a potential playhouse downtown.
"There's only room for one theater," he said.

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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 3:08 PM
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Hey, This is my first time posting on this site I just found out about it. What a cool place. I agree that the few existing historic buildings should stay it is I think that it is vital for a city to have layers of history. Thats a big part of what seperate downtown form sandy. Anyway I thought the slender tower in this picture looked nice in the skyline. It is a new tower by Jeans Nouvel next to the MOMA.
This is the perfect signiture tower for Salt Lake.
P.S. Welcome to the forum Callasphile.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 3:35 PM
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The biggest thing that bothers me is that SLC doesn't seem to have anybody with clout fighting on it's side for the theater. Mayor Becker is fighting hard, but where are the developers with money supporting Salt Lake? There is something seriously messed up going on with the politics in this state. I am getting a sense that there is a deliberate effort going on to keep density oriented projects in this valley dispersed... could one possible explanation be that dense, urban populations tend to be more liberal?...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 3:53 PM
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Lane Beaty (sp), president of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce, is pushing harder then anyone else to get the theater downtown. He is quoted in the article stating that regardless of what Sandy does, SLC will still build the theater.

The tone of the quote is almost one of spite towards Sandy.

Ever since the soccer ordeal, I have avoided Sandy for everything except driving. I do get a joy out of adding to the traffic in Sandy without living, working and shopping there. For some reason, it is just fun
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:11 PM
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oops accidently posted twice
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:20 PM
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I think you are right on DMTower. The main reason that Sandy is getting all of this stuff i.e.: stadium, aquarium and possible theater is that they are politically aligned with the state legislature and so can get whatever they want. The legislature wants to give as little money to liberal Salt Lake as they can get away with; I am getting furious just thinking about it. Anyway am hopefull that Ralph Becker will help things out though he is not exactly the politically aligned with the legislature he seems willing to work with people. Although I really liked Rocky I can't help but feel that he ignored a lot of these issues and some of his strong rhetoric really set Salt Lake back. Also Salt Lake is in a wierd position in that its suburbs are almost as big as it. Salt Lake City only has around 170,000 people where Both Sandy and West Valley have 100,00+. I think that Salt Lake really needs is to make sure that as it develops or redevelops it does a really quality job at it, with good planning, good architecture, (which we seem to be short on), Preservation of historic buildings, and open space etc. This way Salt Lake willl stay viable and just not become another suburb even if Sandy does get the theater (God Forbid). Sorry that was kinda a long disorganized rant but I feel better now that its out.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:34 PM
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The biggest thing that bothers me is that SLC doesn't seem to have anybody with clout fighting on it's side for the theater. Mayor Becker is fighting hard, but where are the developers with money supporting Salt Lake? There is something seriously messed up going on with the politics in this state. I am getting a sense that there is a deliberate effort going on to keep density oriented projects in this valley dispersed... could one possible explanation be that dense, urban populations tend to be more liberal?...
I agree with DMTower that there is a political conspiracy going on (a secret combination ) !
However, we do have people of clout fighting for a Salt Lake City Broadway-scale theater: Bill Becker (Broadway Theater Consultant), Ralph Becker, the entire business community of Salt Lake City, who have even pledged to help fund it, Downtown Alliance, and Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:40 PM
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"Orem-based developer Scott McQuarrie expects to unveil his plans for the $50 million theater April 1 to Sandy's City Council. The city plans to announce its choice for venue operator the same night"


Ok guys we may want to keep a close eye on this April 1. I kind of like seeing two cities race for a new theater even though I would like to see the theater down because at least this way it moves the planning alot faster. Salt Lake is finally getting off their butts and doing something about it. As for Sandy, Sandy city is dreaming big. At this rate with BOTH cities pushing for the theater and showing no signs of backing down we could have a Theater open by next year. Hell we might even end up with two. From reading the paper it sounds like NO MATTER WHAT Salt Lake WILL get a Theater even if Sandy has ONE as well.
I do like the over all idea of Sandy could be getting a mix-use project with Condos and Offices towers that could be highrises. As well as retail on street level. However the Theater should be downtown. Sandy can still built their mix-use project without the theater. Or can they?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:44 PM
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"Orem-based developer Scott McQuarrie expects to unveil his plans for the $50 million theater April 1 to Sandy's City Council. The city plans to announce its choice for venue operator the same night"
What if this is all an April fools joke?!


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Sandy can still built their mix-use project without the theater. Or can they?

And yes projects, they can build a successful mixed use development without a broadway style theater.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 4:51 PM
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This is exactly how Salt Lake lost the "E" Center.

The city was in the planning stages for a hockey arena south of the ESA (Delta Center), when West Valley City released its plans and began construction before Salt Lake could get its plans in concrete. The rest is history.
     
     
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"Orem-based developer Scott McQuarrie expects to unveil his plans for the $50 million theater
I grew up 2 streets away from this guy... maybe i can do a little arm twisting
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 5:06 PM
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I like how Lane Beaty is so adament about Salt Lake City getting a theater even if Sandy builds theres. Unlike with the E Center, touring shows can choose what location they would like to be in. While Sandy may be making a deal with a production company there are multiple productions companies that bring shows to cities. Sandy may ink a deal with one but that doesn't mean that Salt Lake won't ink a deal as well. I have no doubt that if both cities have one, Salt Lake's will be more successful, simply by the fact that we all know it and most everyone else knows that the best place to see live theater is in Downtown. Downtown presents so much more culture and a greater experience to the patron. Hell even my conservative parents who live in Cottonwood Heights would rather attend a show downtown then in Sandy. I say as long as Salt Lake still builds a theater, go ahead and let Sandy build theres to.

One more thought, while the LDS church wouldn't be the right partner to build or operate the theater. We all know that the church would put there weight behind a downtown theater. While some may not agree with the political weight that the LDS church carries, it could pay huge dividends in this case to have their support behind a DT theater.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 5:11 PM
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Although Salt Lake says they will build a theater no matter what, I imagine that it would be extremely difficult for them to find investors or even an operator for a theater if Sandy gets one first. Especially when all the studies that I have heard about say that the Salt Lake Valley can only support one Broadway style theater.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 5:19 PM
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I found this on the KSL website this morning...

"What's going RIGHT in Utah?"

What's Going Right In Utah?" KSL's weeklong look at the good things happening in our economy, jobs and the marketplace.

The old saying about Utah is that we're a couple of years behind the rest of the country when it comes to trends. And that may actually be true when it comes to Utah's economy. While the rest of the country has been suffering through an economic downturn the last year, Utah continues to grow. Economist Austin Sargent with the Department of Workforce Services says there's a good reason why.

He says, "It's largely our demographic makeup is so much different than every other state. We have a much younger population. We've had much more household formation, and that's what was benefiting our housing market."

And along with keeping the housing market stable, Utah's job market has been very strong. With an unemployment rate well belong the national average, there has been virtually full employment in Utah. Sargent says job growth has been very strong. "Over about a 45 year period we average about 3 percent, and we've just dipped below that now. But for the last three years we've been well above that and it was a very healthy market since we came out of the last recession," Sargent says.

He says the Utah economy isn't bulletproof. We'll see some declines as the national economy slows even further. But he thinks we'll do a lot better than the rest of the country.

Sargent says, "We anticipate our job market will continue to be one of the better ones in the nation. We won't know if we're in a real recession until after it's happened because of the way the data is measured. But even if we're not, we're going to be very, very slow growing, and we think Utah will exceed the nation's growth."

Sargent predicts the fundamentals of Utah's economy will continue to be healthy.

Utah saw phenomenal economic growth in the past couple of years. In fact, we led the nation in many categories in 2007. Experts on the economy say we will see a slowdown in Utah in 2008 and 2009, but not as bad as the rest of the country. One big reason for that is major development in downtown Salt Lake City.

Natalie Gochner is the CEO of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. She says, "What you see in downtown Salt Lake is about 55 projects that are either almost started or will be started very soon. So City Creek Center is one of many, and you get a lot of boost from the money that's spent to pay for the supplies and the workers wages that are working on it."

She says projects like the City Creek Center will pump $3 billion into the local economy over the next five years. And projects like the new high rise at 222 S. Main St. are bringing in "new" money. She says, "Private investors from out of state who are investing in our economy. So you get a real bump out of the higher wages, the supplies that are purchased, the investment locally."

That will help sustain Utah's economy through the next few lean years. And Gochner says in some ways, we will benefit from the national downturn.

"The other thing you see is lower interest rates, which is happening nationally as the fed is adjusting to what looks like a darkening U.S. economy. So Utah's in this fortunate situation where we're not as bad as the rest of the country, but our national leaders are making decisions that make our economy stronger."

Gochner says even though some economic sectors in Utah will feel more pain than others in the next two years, we'll get through it in much better shape than other parts of the country.

Salt Lake's City Creek construction and the rest of the Downtown Rising projects will help get Utah over the hump, as the national economy hits the skids. It's also sparked an interest in people who live downtown. Bill Knowles is the ombudsman for Downtown Rising.

"Sitting in this office the last couple of months, that's where most of the interest and a lot of the questions have come from, is people looking at these residential developments. Definitely there's a lot of interest."

In the last 10 years there's been a sharp increase in the number of condos in and around the downtown Salt Lake area, complementing the already existing American Towers. And Bob Farrington with the Downtown Alliance says retail sales downtown are at an all-time high. Despite the construction, people are coming downtown.

"Restaurants and entertainment, dining, night life has taken a big bump up. So that's been a big economic driver."

And Farrington believes with all the projects that are in the works, the timing couldn't be better.

"I think the anticipation would be if we have a slowdown in our economy now, by the time these projects come online I think they'll be hitting it right at the sweet spot, when our whole national economy is recovering."

Knowles and Farrington also say that as the city develops an arts and cultural center on the blocks south of City Creek, it will be even more attractive not only to people, but businesses as well.

Tomorrow we take a look at population growth in the state.
     
     
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Good read Projects, thanks for that post.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 6:52 PM
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I certainly hope that they mean it when they say we will have a theater downtown no matter what. I would love nothing more than to see Sandy build theirs and have it fail because all of the shows choose down town SLC
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2008, 7:35 PM
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We Must Contact Dolan And Mcquarrie First To Change Anybody's Mind

LET'S CONTACT MAYOR DOLAN AND DEVELOPER MCQUARRIE The only way to stop this is to confront these guys. We need to find an avenue to get people to protest what they are doing, and if we get the general populations census directly to them, maybe we can thwart their efforts and maybe Mcquarrie will be more inclined to invest into downtown. I'm sure SLC would bend over backwards to have McQuarrie helpe develop the venue downtown.

Does anyone have Dolan's &/or McQuarrie's contact info?

I live in Portland and there is a lot of growth downtown, and I think it might be because people here are a bit more liberal in terms of the environment and urban planning. They are far ahead of SLC and a lot of other cities in these terms. The rest of the SLC valley just doesn't seem to care. I think the people in SLC care a lot more.
     
     
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