Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[TowerDistrict]

Originally Posted by wburg

TD: Did you catch "Why Lie, I Need A Drink" at the Crest? I went to the Sound Art fest instead. I walked home at midnight, stopped by Chita's on the way and had a taco. Quite a lot of people on the street in that neck of the woods, even after midnight.

Yes I did. It was fantastic. Unpretentious, unassuming and hilarious. I had
to go check it out because i missed it when it was pre-screened at Fools
Foundation and i didn't see any future dates lined up, otherwise I really
wanted to check out the Sound Art Fest. I saw your name on the lineup...
did you play tonight, or are you up tomorrow?

Who are the organizers of the festival? I hope this type of thing finds a home
again, once that building is demoed. That's set to happen this summer i think.

[TowerDistrict]

oh yeah.. most of that film was shot in this neck of the woods, so it was interesting
to see the various street characters I'm familiar with on camera. I've always had a
soft spot for most of them... except for that dick with the longer blond hair that's
always around Broadway. That guy was even worse on camera than he is in person.

[wburg]

TD: The SSAF is put on by the same folks who organize the Norcal Noisefest. I'm involved but mostly I just do grant writing and promotion. I'll be there tonight. We've been doing this kind of thing pretty regularly since around 1994, finding venues generally isn't a big problem.

I was tempted to duck out of the first night to see "Why Lie?" as Keith is an old pal; hopefully he'll get more showings or do a DVD release. Good to hear there was a line down the block. And yeah, part of the fun of locally produced movies is seeing places and faces I know on the big screen!

[jsf8278]

Do you guys know if Why Lie...is going to be shown at the Crest anymore? I checked their website and it didn't appear as though ti was. Was that a one night engagement?

[sugit]

The website says "One night only" so I'm guessing so. Sucks too, I wanted too see it, but couldn't make it lat night.

[Dougall5505]

whats up Sacramento guys? I thought you guys might be interested in these renders. They are of some rail line but show a couple proposed projects. renders by: http://flickr.com/photos/nc3d/



good luck getting that new arena!

[Pistola916]

I would say good luck getting all those towers.

[sactown_2007]

That must be Sacramento in 2045 -- years after Fargo is no longer mayor anymore because there sure are a lot of new buildings blocking that view of the Capitol from city hall!!

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by Pistola916

I would say good luck getting all those towers.

Never mind the towers; we will be lucky to have a waterfront that looks that good; or an intermodal station; or high speed rail; or........(well the list goes on an on)

Ironically when i was a kid this is the kind of city I had envisioned Sacramento would one day resemble. (Albeit with more trees than depicted in the rendering)..


But at the rate things are going, it's not likely to happen in my lifetime...

[TowerDistrict]

cynics the lot of ya!

[wburg]

There are some things in that rendering that almost certainly won't be there by 2030, like the Towers and Aura/Epic and the Mohanna one, but there were almost certainly be something similarly protuberant. The stuff in the Railyards is mostly conjecture based on the heights they have already talked about, and I'm pretty sure the green roofs are the renderer's imagination at work. It would be kinda nice if they used the concept. I do expect that tall stuff will appear along the Sixth and Seventh street armatures east of the Shops buildings.

I would definitely far rather see a cluster of tall residential towers downtown than a bunch of mid-rise residential spreading farther east. And I wouldn't mind seeing some of those towers crop up where Westfield currently sits.

The rendering does posit the relocation of the Southern Pacific depot. I consider that unlikely.

I suppose my focus is a little more ground-level. Are the little cars on I-5 electric, or gas-powered? Are the homeless housed, or do they sleep on the sidewalk in the shadow of those towers? Is there a teeny trolley over the Tower Bridge? Is the RTM up and running with a big HSR locomotive inside that kids can climb all over?

jsf: The showing of "Why Lie" was a premiere, just a one-time deal rather than a regular engagement. If it gets picked up by a distributor it might be back for some duration, otherwise it will probably make it to DVD at some point.

[innov8]

From what I understand, the Metropolitan will probably resubmit new plans
but only with some minor changes. This project will then go back through
Planning Commission in May and it will also go before the Design Commission
once again. It looks like Saca's going to push forward.

[innov8]

Originally Posted by TowerDistrict

Awesome photos, Steve. Thanks for posting!!!

I'm so unaware of all the Sutter project's components. Can anyone explain
why the Trinity Cathedral would be demolished in the first place? Is the church
okay with this plan?

That rendering of the new cathedral makes me queezy. It looks like my
grandma's living room exploded.

I emailed the Cathedral and this is why they are demolishing the current Cathedral.

Building a new cathedral is a very long-term project. At today's
construction prices we need at least $18M. We raised $3M on our first
capital campaign. We have refocused our efforts to rebuilding our
hall/program area as a first step.

Why build anew? Trinity Cathedral is running out of room. In the program
area we have reached capacity+ . As we continue to expand program
opportunities for people in the community (wider community than only the
immediate Trinity Faith Community), we suspect, hope and pray that our
membership will grow. Hence the need for a new cathedral building. But, as
I said, we also suspect that this latter phase of the building project is many
years down the road.

A lot of people love the current cathedral. It is charming. Future plans will
include retaining the stain glass windows; having a main worship space that
is more flexible; having a chapel that can be open 24x7; including a
baptismal pool; including a labyrinth; and many other items. We will wait
and see how much of the "wish list" we are able to incorporate.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have additional questions.

Jerry Pare'
Manager of Administration
Trinity Cathedral
2620 Capitol Ave
Sacramento, CA 95816
W: 916-930-8026
F: 916-446-2589

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by innov8

From what I understand, the Metropolitan will probably resubmit new plansbut only with some minor changes. This project will then go back through Planning Commission in May and it will also go before the Design Commission once again. It looks like Saca's going to push forward.

I admire his willingness to keep with it. I wouldn't have (at least not in this depressed market and not with the current clowns sitting on the city council).

Now i know why we have developers wanting to build residential higrises in the suburbs instead of downtown.


It will be interesting to see if the new design can incorporate additonal setbacks and still have enough of an imprint on that parcel to build a profitable residential highrise. That will be at the height of the campaign season, so it will be intersting to see how Fargo responds (if the council receives it prior to the June primary.)

[TowerDistrict]

There was an interesting article in the Sacramento Union last week about the upcoming Props 98 & 99. These are two competing propositions that change and/or limit the use of Eminent Domain. I'll give you all one guess who's featured in the main photos...

Urban, you've been talking about this for a while now. These two propositions seem very confusing, and I really don't understand how they can both be voted on simultaneously. They directly contradict each other, but their implications are drastically different.

Prop 98 was writen by that Howard Jarvis Taxpayers people and would mean the end of K Street.

The other, Prop 99 was written by the League of Cities and would only prevent the forced sale of single-family homes. So Mohanna is out of luck on that. Even if he could place a pyromaniac vagrant in one of his buildings and call them a resident, he'd have to prove they'd been a resident for one-year minimum.

[Dakotasteve66]

Confusion may have been the very intent of Prop 99. This is just supposition on my part, but if the League of Cities knew that Prop 98 was coming and it would be bad for them, then they could have lobbied to get Prop 99 on the ballot. I think its a proven fact that when voters are confused on an issue, or competing issues, they usually vote No.

Also, I would assume there are more home-owner voters than business-owner voters, thus giving solice to the home-owners by allowing them to vote for Prop 99 which protects them, but still allows for businesses to be taken via Eminent Domain.

[JVissle]

I was browsing thru different comps and came across a proposed project for Miami's Upper East Side. (Soleil 43 floors 514ft Residential --Approved)
Metopolitan, meet your long lost twin brother, Soleil. Separated at birth, reunited at last.

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by JVissle

I was browsing thru different comps and came across a proposed project for Miami's Upper East Side. (Soleil 43 floors 514ft Residential --Approved)
Metopolitan, meet your long lost twin brother, Soleil. Separated at birth, reunited at last.

The chances that Sacramento's skyline will one day give birth to the Metropolitan are slim..

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by TowerDistrict

There was an interesting article in the Sacramento Union last week about the upcoming Props 98 & 99. These are two competing propositions that change and/or limit the use of Eminent Domain. I'll give you all one guess who's featured in the main photos...

Urban, you've been talking about this for a while now. These two propositions seem very confusing, and I really don't understand how they can both be voted on simultaneously. They directly contradict each other, but their implications are drastically different.

Prop 98 was writen by that Howard Jarvis Taxpayers people and would mean the end of K Street.

The other, Prop 99 was written by the League of Cities and would only prevent the forced sale of single-family homes. So Mohanna is out of luck on that. Even if he could place a pyromaniac vagrant in one of his buildings and call them a resident, he'd have to prove they'd been a resident for one-year minimum.

Proposition 98 will also put an end to rent controls, which will really hit senior citizens and low income people hard. There is a lawsuit pending to force the backers of prop 98 to include that tidbit in the official statement of the prop as it will appear on the ballot, so people won't be fooled....

[snfenoc]

I can't wait to vote for Prop 98.