Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[gbb]

With regards to the discussion of the 100 South and Main Street blocks. My guess is that the tower was proposed on the Bennion building in order to preserve the parking lot around the Zions Bank building for the possible location of the Broadway theater.

I think it would be a huge mistage to move the Zions Bank building. But could see the removal of the Bennion building as being resonable, IF the ground floor of the new tallest were to remain an active pedestrian space, with plenty of doors to pull people into and out of any retail/restaurant space located on the street level.

Oh, one version of the 'glass tower' had its height at about 540'. Just thought you would all enjoy that.

[delts145]

I agree whole with you gbb, it's very important that a new tallest in that location be vibrant and pedestrian friendly. Something other that an office or bank at ground level.

[RC14]

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I agree I love the Wells Fargo Tower, I actualy think it has somewhat of a majestic look when viewed from the south traveling north on State St. at night.
I don't know maybe it's just me.
Definently wish it was taller though. What I hate about the SLC skyline is how I feel like all the buildings have been miniturized.

As far as the Bennion Jewlers Building goes, I think it's ok but frankly I don't see what's so great about it that it needs to be saved at all costs. It's realy nothing to write home about, there are many other buildings in SLC that I would care more about and I don't think it's doing a whole lot for the vitality of Main St.
Although I agree, as with most buildings it shouldn't be removed if it can be avoided.

Now to make this post even longer..

I don't know if this is worth mentioning on this thread but I have noticed there is construction going on in the Valley Fair Mall parking lot, they have torn down the ugly Firestone tires building on the corner of 3500s and 2700w and it looks like they are building something on the the southwest side of the mall lot. They just finished building a two story mixed use building across the street from the old firestone tires building so my guess is something like that will probubly be built on the firestone tires site.
The Mall is suposed to be going through redevelopment durring the next few years, and the City has alot of plans for a new "City Center" in that area.
Not nearly as exciting as whats going on downtown but it's kinda cool for that area which hasn't seen much change in the last 18+ years. (at least as long as I've lived there)

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

The Wells Fargo Tower is possibly my favorite building in Downtown SLC. Am I the only one the wished it were about 15+ stories taller, it would be even better at 40-45+ stories. I would have no problem having a 45 story Wells Fargo Tower be our Iconic tallest.

I think we all wish it were 40-45+ stories. Proportionally it would be better, because of it's large circumference, and of course, just because the taller the better.


T-Mac

[RC14]

Originally Posted by gbb

With regards to the discussion of the 100 South and Main Street blocks. My guess is that the tower was proposed on the Bennion building in order to preserve the parking lot around the Zions Bank building for the possible location of the Broadway theater.

I think it would be a huge mistage to move the Zions Bank building. But could see the removal of the Bennion building as being resonable, IF the ground floor of the new tallest were to remain an active pedestrian space, with plenty of doors to pull people into and out of any retail/restaurant space located on the street level.

Oh, one version of the 'glass tower' had its height at about 540'. Just thought you would all enjoy that.

Sorry Gbb posted at the same time as me.

Where did you hear about the 540'? That's awsome, I sure hope it's true.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by RC14

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I don't know if this is worth mentioning on this thread but I have noticed there is construction going on in the Valley Fair Mall parking lot, they have torn down the ugly Firestone tires building on the corner of 3500s and 2700w and it looks like they are building something on the the southwest side of the mall lot. They just finished building a two story mixed use building across the street from the old firestone tires building so my guess is something like that will probubly be built on the firestone tires site.
The Mall is suposed to be going through redevelopment durring the next few years, and the City has alot of plans for a new "City Center" in that area.
Not nearly as exciting as whats going on downtown but it's kinda cool for that area which hasn't seen much change in the last 18+ years. (at least as long as I've lived there)

Hey Projects, If on your way through that area in the future, don't forget to get some pics of what RC14 is talking about.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

The Wells Fargo Tower is possibly my favorite building in Downtown SLC. Am I the only one the wished it were about 15+ stories taller, it would be even better at 40-45+ stories. I would have no problem having a 45 story Wells Fargo Tower be our Iconic tallest.

You and me both. I love the Wells Fargo Tower. It is my favorite building. I wish it could of been a little more taller. Even if there was another two floors added we could all then agree that it's the tallest building in SLC.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by delts145

Hey Projects, If on your way through that area in the future, don't forget to get some pics of what RC14 is talking about.

I could check it out since I drive by there on the I-215 each day for work. I have notice the new two story mix use building right on 3500 South and 2700 West. The building goes all the way to the street with parking behind it. Not bad for West Valley.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by delts145

I think we all wish it were 40-45+ stories. Proportionally it would be better, because of it's large circumference, and of course, just because the taller the better.


T-Mac

Actually, I disagree. Having a 40-45+ story tower there would really look awkward in the skyline, especially if it's closer to 45 stories than 40.

I'm starting to become the type of person who says we need to gradually close in on a new tallest and not abruptly build close to a 50-story tower for the sake of having a new tallest. The next step should be a 30-35 story building and then a 40-45 story building. It would add far more balance than just plopping a 45-story building anywhere in the skyline (even in a central location, it would look weird).

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

Actually, I disagree. Having a 40-45+ story tower there would really look awkward in the skyline, especially if it's closer to 45 stories than 40.

I'm starting to become the type of person who says we need to gradually close in on a new tallest and not abruptly build close to a 50-story tower for the sake of having a new tallest. The next step should be a 30-35 story building and then a 40-45 story building. It would add far more balance than just plopping a 45-story building anywhere in the skyline (even in a central location, it would look weird).

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Comrade. I think a substantially taller building if centrally located would focus as the center point of the skyline and additional buildings would rise on everyside. We are all subject to our own opinions and non of us are right or wrong. Ok maybe some of us are more right than other. lol

[Comrade]

And just to give you an example, with a bit of guessing, here's the Wells Fargo Center at about 45-stories:



To me, it ruins the skyline even more. Now if all the other towers were in the 25-35 range, it wouldn't look too bad. However, to have the tallest 20+ stories taller than the 2nd tallest? Not good (unless we're talking a skyline with towers in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 80-stories -- than a 100 story tower wouldn't look too out of place).

[delts145]

You're right Comrade, from a design perspective, it does make the skyline look very disproportionate. I would hope that a fifty-story plus tower would encourage Downtown to quickly lift it's current ceiling, or at least not have too long of a wait for additional taller towers in the 40 to 45-story range.

I wish we were in the situation right now(today) where we were complaining about how our new 55 story convention hotel is going to make the skyline too asymmetrical

[SLC Projects]

The thing is Salt Lake has too many towers in the 20-28 story range, therefor looking at the skyline most of our tallest buildings all look to bef near the same height. For example... If you guys look at the north end of the skyline most of the buildings are close to the same. Zions Bank Tower, Eaglegate Plaza, Gateway West Tower, old Key Bank Tower, and new Key Bank Tower all are about the same shape, size, and height. Even on the South end we have the One Utah Center and the Wells Fargo Tower that are not the same shape, but close to the same height still. Even the 222 South Main will be near the same height as the One Utah Center. For the last 25 years or so it seems Salt Lake City can't break the 30-story limit. Try and try again through out the years different developers would proposed something over 30-stories ( Eaglegate tower, One Utah Tower ) but in the end they just ended up building another 20-story building. Then there were the towers that NEVER got built such as the proposed Social Hall Tower back in 2002 that would of been 33-stories or a 50-story Trade Center Tower that was proposed back in the 80's.
Even 222 south Main and all the towers at City Creek Center won't break the skyline limit. Sure Tower one at CCC will be 32-stories. But since it's a condo tower it won't be any taller then the new key bank tower.
Just as Comrade was saying the next step is, we need a 30-35 story tower. That's why I have high hopes for the "Glass Tower" and the Cowboy Partner 40-story Tower" With those two towers and maybe the WTCU Towers then our skyline will finally grow upwards a little bit.

[Future Mayor]

I guess we can at least be grateful that our skyline doesn't still look like this.



Good think we got One Utah and Wells Fargo, this is also pre Gateway Tower West, (new)Beneficial Life Tower 1998.

Maybe some body needs to break that 45+ barrier so that all those that currently have their names on a tower will decided to build taller, maybe not taller than 45+ but taller than the 25-28 they are currently. Maybe nobody sees the need to build taller right now as a status symbol because they figures they are close to the tallest right now so no need to build taller. I'm just rambling, hoping that we will see the 30, 35 or even 40 story office tower break the skyline sooner than later.

Yes delts it would be nice if we could talk on here about how inappropriate the height of the new 55 story Convention Center Hyatt was. Gee to be able to complain about something as to tall.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I guess we can at least be grateful that our skyline doesn't still look like this.

Wow that is a old photo.That photo has to be somewhere in the late 80's.

One Utah Center was built in 1991
Wells Fargo and Gateway West Towers in 1998.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I guess we can at least be grateful that our skyline doesn't still look like this.



Yes delts it would be nice if we could talk on here about how inappropriate the height of the new 55 story Convention Center Hyatt was. Gee to be able to complain about something as to tall.

[SLC Projects]

Ok guys...this is kind of off subject. But last night I had a crazy dream. I had a dream that Salt Lake was finally getting a Major League Baseball team. But the team wanted a NEW stadium. So guess where they ended up building it?...And no it wasn't sandy. It was far worst then Sandy. Bluffdale. Yes that's right freaking Bluffdale. It was going on the corner of 14400 South and 2700 West. If any of you guys have even been out there all there is are farm lands and big houses on 5 acre lots. The stadium itself was very nice. But having it in Bluffdale was a joke.
And I remember getting on this forum and OMG all you guys were sooooo pissed. I thought both Urbanboy and Comrade were going to have heart attacks. But can you blame them? Even I was upset. Talk about the worst place to put a stadium.
Anyways thought I would share that with you all. Thank god it was only a dream.

[delts145]

Also, Thanks T-Mac for giving us a good corner shot on the new records library. I think this building is going to be very attractive from the corner view.
The sides will work just fine with the attractive street level windows,and landscaping. Again, I think the corner design is worth a big thumbs-up


T-Mac

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Ok guys...this is kind of off subject. But last night I had a crazy dream. I had a dream that Salt Lake was finally getting a Major League Baseball team. But the team wanted a NEW stadium. So guess where they ended up building it?...And no it wasn't sandy. It was far worst then Sandy. Bluffdale. Yes that's right freaking Bluffdale. It was going on the corner of 14400 South and 2700 West. If any of you guys have even been out there all there is are farm lands and big houses on 5 acre lots. The stadium itself was very nice. But having it in Bluffdale was a joke.
And I remember getting on this forum and OMG all you guys were sooooo pissed. I thought both Urbanboy and Comrade were going to have heart attacks. But can you blame them? Even I was upset. Talk about the worst place to put a stadium.
Anyways thought I would share that with you all. Thank god it was only a dream.

Or was it, do we know why the legislature was so adamant about approving having a Front Runner Station in Bluffdale?

[airhero]

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