HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #2541  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 7:10 AM
hismasterplan hismasterplan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin/Chicago
Posts: 120
Austin's winters come in patterns. I remember '05 - '06, it was similar to this past winter, then '06 - '07 the cold was consistent and it iced over. I look forward to green grass though, I've been in Chicago cold way too long.
Anyway, those cranes are going to be working pretty close to each other due to two high rises rising around the same time. Good photo opportunities coming.
__________________
www.vimeo.com/willmartin
     
     
  #2542  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 2:57 PM
zx14 zx14 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 306
There building a 40 story building here too in Lexington. Renderings look to be influenced by Austin Construction what do you guys think. Austin should be proud that others immitate there style.
     
     
  #2543  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 3:23 PM
ATXboom ATXboom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,832
largest redevelopment opportunity ever for downtown Austin

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 - 7:12 AM CST
Austin seeks firm for Green redevelopment
Austin Business Journal

In the largest redevelopment opportunity ever for downtown Austin, the city has issued a request for proposals for the purchase and redevelopment of the Thomas C. Green Water Treatment Plant and the adjoining Austin Energy Control Center. The two properties total about 6.1 acres or 5 city blocks.

The Green and Austin Energy sites are being heralded by city and business leaders as the missing anchor between the Second Street Retail District and the future activity of the Seaholm District redevelopment. The properties could bring the most significant retail to downtown to date, city leaders say. The city also plans to direct 40 percent of the property tax proceeds from the redevelopment to an Austin Housing Trust Fund towards creating affordable housing in the urban core.

The minimum purchase price will be based on the final appraised value of the properties. The preliminary appraised value is $41 million, but a final appraised value should be determined before March 31.

Interested parties can obtain the RFP through the city of Austin's purchasing department website, www.ci.austin.tx.us/vss/Advantage. A link is also available on the city's Seaholm District website, www.ci.austin.tx.us/seaholm/green.htm.

According to the city, the decommissioning and deconstruction of the Green Water Treatment Plant is expected to be finished by February 2010, with construction beginning shortly after.

The city has begun the process of rezoning the properties to Central Business District-Central Urban Redevelopment, potentially eliminating floor-to-area ratio restrictions. The sites, however, are subject to Waterfront Overlay and Capitol View Corridor setback and height restrictions.

The city will conduct a pre-proposal meeting to answer questions and concerns about the RFP on March 17. Proposals are due by April 30.

Public presentations of proposals will begin May 14 and the City Council will choose the successful bidder in June.
     
     
  #2544  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 3:32 PM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin<--->Birmingham<--->Atlanta
Posts: 55,831
Great. Reminds me of the days of when they started looking for Block 21 proposals (that was fun).
__________________
My girlfriend has a poodle named Kevin.
     
     
  #2545  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 3:55 PM
GoldenBoot's Avatar
GoldenBoot GoldenBoot is offline
Member since 2001
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Terra Firma
Posts: 3,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelB View Post
Thank you for pointing our the difference. I read the explination on the notice but it did not point out the density difference. That porperty is not in the Capitol View Corridor so I will be interested to see how high it will go. Do you think with developable lots shrinking the thinking will change in the mid-town area?
Yes, the shrinking amount of developable land, not affected by the CVC’s, may alter some peoples’ thought processes. And seeing a tower rise 350’ is definitely not impossible; more like improbable. I just have a difficult time thinking a new tower in the uptown/midtown area will exceed 300’-400’ anytime in the near future. I believe the max. in this area will be in the neighborhood of 250’-275’…again, at least in the near future (i.e., the next 10-15 years).
__________________
AUSTIN (City): 1,002,632 +4.64% - '20-'25 | AUSTIN MSA (5 counties): 2,620,945 +14.78% - '20-'25
SAN ANTONIO (City): 1,548,422 +8.03% - '20-'25 | SAN ANTONIO MSA (8 counties): 2,813,140 +9.97% - '20-'25
AUS-SAT REGION (MSAs/13 counties): 5,434,085 +12.24% - '20-'25 | *SRC: US Census*
     
     
  #2546  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 6:13 PM
Saddle Man Saddle Man is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,149
Midtown? Uptown/midtown?
     
     
  #2547  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 8:37 PM
ATXboom ATXboom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,832
^^^ I have heard 2 definitions for Mid town and Up town in Austin.

Downtown is really from MLK to the river, Lamar to I35....

Definition 1 puts all areas of town in downtown proper:
Roughly... downtown being river - capital/12th.
midtown- 12/capital to MLK.
Uptown being basically West Campus area.

Definition 2 the city is pushing for: ...In 20 years I see this being the case
downtown - MLK-River, Lamar-I35
midtown - West Campus - 45th, triangle, etc
uptown - domain/2nd downtown and arboretum
central austin = Oltorf - 45th, Lamar/Burnet - I35


...this is all up for discussion of course
     
     
  #2548  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 8:37 PM
ATXboom ATXboom is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,832
Downtown living demand is strong, study shows

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 - 11:37 AM CST

Downtown living demand is strong, study shows
Austin Business Journal

The steel and glass residential towers set to reshape the downtown Austin skyline aren't a pipedream. They're coming--and they're going to be filled, a new study shows.

The analysis from Texas economist Ray Perryman suggests that while the nation battles a housing correction, Austin's residential market remains relatively healthy. Moreover, says Perryman, there is clear demand among Austinites to live in the city's vibrant downtown.

There are currently about 6,000 people living downtown. And with about 4,000 residential units under construction or planned around downtown, that population is expected to double over the next two years. Perryman says with the Austin area adding more than 40,000 new residents annually, the local housing market will continue to fair well, and rising energy costs and traffic woes will drive a growing interest in urban living.

"This housing market will fundamentally support the type of housing being developed downtown," Perryman said at a morning press conference at City Hall organized to discuss the report. "There is an amble population to absorb these units."

Asked whether those who desire to live downtown could actually afford to purchase units, most of which are over $500,000, Perryman says the market is there, particularly among young professionals coming to the area making good money in expanding fields like technology. He pointed out that if less than 1 percent of the entire area population chose to live downtown, they would fill up all of the existing units as well as those being planned downtown.

"We are seeing a remarkable resurgence in downtown Austin," says Mayor Will Wynn, who has been a staunch supporter of drawing more residents to downtown. Wynn calls the blend of condo projects such as 360 and The Austonian and rentals like The Monarch and AMLI 2nd Street a healthy mix. He also points out that projects like the redevelopment of the Green Water Treatment Plant site will include a strong affordable housing component, allowing residents who cannot afford high-priced units a chance to enjoy downtown living.
     
     
  #2549  
Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 11:38 PM
Saddle Man Saddle Man is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATXboom View Post
^^^ I have heard 2 definitions for Mid town and Up town in Austin.

Downtown is really from MLK to the river, Lamar to I35....

Definition 1 puts all areas of town in downtown proper:
Roughly... downtown being river - capital/12th.
midtown- 12/capital to MLK.
Uptown being basically West Campus area.

Definition 2 the city is pushing for: ...In 20 years I see this being the case
downtown - MLK-River, Lamar-I35
midtown - West Campus - 45th, triangle, etc
uptown - domain/2nd downtown and arboretum
central austin = Oltorf - 45th, Lamar/Burnet - I35


...this is all up for discussion of course

Up for a HUGE discussion. Because frankly, midtown and uptown anything, sounds very forced.
     
     
  #2550  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 1:25 AM
Strayone's Avatar
Strayone Strayone is offline
Keep It Weird
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Dazed/Confused
Posts: 1,180
Hey zx-14 I tried to search for the building, it's called CentrePointe I believe. I didn't find any images, even on the Lexington thread. Feel free to post an image..thanks in advance.
     
     
  #2551  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 1:42 AM
zx14 zx14 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 306
Hello Strayone, You can find renderings on the lexington herald leader web sight as well as just now on the lexington thread under 40 story building in lexington on the right side of the front page. I wish I knew how to post pictures however when you see it It has the roundness in the middle and top like the Austonian and Wow the trees on the building could that also be an Austin influence. I think this building is a combination a all Austin condo projects rolled in to one.
     
     
  #2552  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 4:48 AM
KYbred KYbred is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Austin
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by zx14 View Post
Hello Strayone, You can find renderings on the lexington herald leader web sight as well as just now on the lexington thread under 40 story building in lexington on the right side of the front page. I wish I knew how to post pictures however when you see it It has the roundness in the middle and top like the Austonian and Wow the trees on the building could that also be an Austin influence. I think this building is a combination a all Austin condo projects rolled in to one.
I noticed that as well. Its great that there are still projects like this being annouced with the way things have been going with the market and such...

I agree it looks like a mix between the Austonian, Four Seasons, and Frost all in one... I hope big boxes are a thing of the past.

     
     
  #2553  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 5:23 AM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin<--->Birmingham<--->Atlanta
Posts: 55,831
That is a really nice tower. I hope it gets built.
__________________
My girlfriend has a poodle named Kevin.
     
     
  #2554  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 12:05 PM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin<--->Birmingham<--->Atlanta
Posts: 55,831
More news about the Starr Building in downtown.

From the Austin Business Journal
http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/03/03/story7.html?b=1204520400

Friday, February 29, 2008

Should it stay or should it go? Starr Building's future debated

Austin Business Journal - by A.J. Mistretta ABJ Staff

When it was constructed in 1955, the American National Bank Building was Austin's first major example of modernist architecture -- and the first building in the city to have an escalator.

A half-century and several tenants later, the days may be numbered for the vacant four-story structure on the southeast corner of Sixth and Colorado streets.

Developers and downtown advocates see incredible value in the property -- if not the building itself -- just one block from the enviable intersection of Sixth Street and Congress Avenue. Yet when it might actually be sold and what could eventually rise there remains uncertain.

The Texas Comptroller's Office -- the last tenant to be housed in what is now known as the Starr Building -- moved out in April 2005, shortly after the building was purchased by the General Land Office on behalf of the state's Permanent School Fund. Since then, the roughly 90,000-square-foot office building and attached 107,000-square-foot garage have sat vacant in the middle of a downtown construction boom.

With a footprint of just under 40,000 square feet, existing zoning would allow for up to 350,000 square feet of development on the nearly half-block property. But given the lack of height restrictions on the site and the city's desire for more downtown density, a developer could request a greater allowance to maximize return on investment.

"Because of this location, the sky is the limit," says Michael Knox, principal planner in the city of Austin's economic growth and redevelopment office.

Knox says the city has referred several developers interested in the property to the GLO.

"I'm really a little surprised that something hasn't happened there yet," he says.

Nothing has happened yet because the GLO, which makes money for the school fund partly through the purchase and sale of property across the state, is not marketing the building.

Laura Rogers in the asset management/real estate division of the GLO says the agency is aware there is market interest in the Starr Building, but the property is not on the sales block -- yet.

"We get interested parties contacting us frequently, but at the moment there is not a sale date set," Rogers says.

Fred Higgins, an investment broker with NAI Austin, calls the Starr Building a "gross underutilization" of a prime downtown site. He argues that the building itself is inefficient and lacks historical merit. If the property were brought to market, Higgins believes it could attract a slew of suitors and a significant sales price.

Demolition costs aside, Higgins estimates the nearly 40,000-square-foot site could draw $250 a square foot or more if the lot were vacant, based on what's been paid for other prime downtown parcels.

"This is right in the bull's-eye of downtown development," he says.

Daniel Roth, a broker with Southwest Strategies Group and one of the partners in the redevelopment of the Seaholm Power Plant, says that when it comes to the Starr site, "the more the better, as far as mixed-use goes."

Roth points out that while there may currently be a glut of office space in the pipeline, a large-scale project incorporating retail, office and possibly other uses would take years to realize.

But not everyone believes the building should face a wrecking ball.

"If there's a redevelopment plan that includes keeping the building as a long-term citizen of Austin, I would like to see that happen," says Robert Summers, an attorney with Austin law firm Hohmann Taube and Summers who has launched an effort to preserve a large interior mural crafted by artist Seymour Fogel.

Sergio Ortiz, CEO of Houston-based Orion Hotels Inc., also wants to see the building preserved. He says he first began looking at the possibility of putting a boutique hotel in the Starr Building in 2003.

"It's a great building with a lot of character," says Ortiz. "I thought it would be a good counterweight to the beautiful new buildings surrounding the site to preserve this one. I think it would be a grave error to allow this building to be torn down."

Orion even went so far as to hire a designer to come up with a plan to renovate the Starr as a hotel. Drawings were developed for an art-deco style hotel that would feature 100 suites. But the company waited in vain for the state to make a decision on putting the property out to bid.

Ortiz says when the state does decide to act, his group will likely still be interested. While he recognizes the best value for the property may not be to keep the 90,000-square-foot building intact, he points out that sometimes sacrifices should be made to preserve unique structures.

Reuse of the Starr Building would require some remediation, though. Rogers with the GLO confirms there is some asbestos still in the building, which would need to be removed during a renovation.
__________________
My girlfriend has a poodle named Kevin.
     
     
  #2555  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 2:10 PM
Saddle Man Saddle Man is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,149
It should go!
     
     
  #2556  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 3:30 PM
priller's Avatar
priller priller is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,979
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingkirbythegreat View Post
It should go!
I have to agree, that one was already on my list of Austin eyesores. Not sure what "character" the guy saw in the building. The mural inside is great, though. Save it, tear down the rest.
     
     
  #2557  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 3:45 PM
KevinFromTexas's Avatar
KevinFromTexas KevinFromTexas is offline
Meh
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin<--->Birmingham<--->Atlanta
Posts: 55,831
I sort of have a love/hate relationship with that building. It is unique in that it was one of our first modernist buildings (not the first as the previous ABJ article mentioned). The color is unique, ugly yeah, but definitely different. My real gripe with it is that it's completely vacant and no one has showed serious interest in redeveloping it. My other gripe is it's location and the potential for that property. There's no height restriction there. They mentioned it has a 40,000 square foot foot print and that the FAR would allow a tower there of 350,000 square feet. I would imagine that would mean a 30-story tower. Think about the Bank of America Center for a minute. That tower is 251,000 square feet and covers roughly the same area as about half of what the Starr Building does. They could put the tower on one side, and have parking on the other and maybe partially under it. With a 40,000 square foot foot print, compared to Bank of America Center that would make it about 3 or 4 floors taller than the Bank of America Center. So 29 to 30 stories.
__________________
My girlfriend has a poodle named Kevin.
     
     
  #2558  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 4:06 PM
Aiphanes Aiphanes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 194
I am with you. I think they should tear it down and build a new tower.
     
     
  #2559  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 4:33 PM
DTAustin DTAustin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 133
I saw the renderings for the Gables apartment building that is going to replace the Fox & Hound and the Gingerman. I have to say I am very disappointed. The building is very plain, with a shear veritcal wall and very little architectural design. I am most disappointed that the Gables has decided to replace a very cool, 100+ year old building (Gingerman) with a very uncreatively designed apartment complex. Their token to the Gingerman is that they are going to cut off the facade and place it on the front of their building, similar to the Goodwill building along Lamar. There will be ground floor retail and restaurants and 4-5 stories of above ground parking all sitting below the apartment levels. I think it will be 14 stories with a FAR of 7.9, thus not requiring any public input. I believe the parking garage will enter from and exit into the alley. I don't know how that is allowed. Worst of all, the cars in the parking garage will be visible from Republic Square Park across the street.

It sounds to me like the Gables wants to kill the goose that lays the golden egg with this project. If Austin looses more of the smaller buildings to high rises, downtown will not be nearly as fun or as cool as it is now.
     
     
  #2560  
Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 5:59 PM
Aiphanes Aiphanes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 194
Quote:
Originally Posted by DTAustin View Post
I saw the renderings for the Gables apartment building that is going to replace the Fox & Hound and the Gingerman. I have to say I am very disappointed. The building is very plain, with a shear veritcal wall and very little architectural design. I am most disappointed that the Gables has decided to replace a very cool, 100+ year old building (Gingerman) with a very uncreatively designed apartment complex. Their token to the Gingerman is that they are going to cut off the facade and place it on the front of their building, similar to the Goodwill building along Lamar. There will be ground floor retail and restaurants and 4-5 stories of above ground parking all sitting below the apartment levels. I think it will be 14 stories with a FAR of 7.9, thus not requiring any public input. I believe the parking garage will enter from and exit into the alley. I don't know how that is allowed. Worst of all, the cars in the parking garage will be visible from Republic Square Park across the street.

It sounds to me like the Gables wants to kill the goose that lays the golden egg with this project. If Austin looses more of the smaller buildings to high rises, downtown will not be nearly as fun or as cool as it is now.

I agree with you we need more smaller places..but who wants to live in a small rise in downtown Austin...when you can live on the 30th floor with an awesome view.
What are they building on the south shore of town lake...that would be the best spots for low rises...but in the end they will probably even build high rises there too.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Global Projects & Construction > City Compilations
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 2:26 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.