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Old Posted Mar 4, 2008, 4:37 AM
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2008, 10:25 PM
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The Beasley website has the updated rendering - not too too bad - still a bit jumbled with lots going on.

http://www.thebeasley.com/
Thanks for linking to the website now that it is live.

I think it will work out to be pretty nice. I like L'Hermitage a lot and prefer the pairing of glass with a light coloured brick over painted concrete.

I think the quality of the glass on the podium will make or break this building. If they choose a nice flat clear glass, ideally mullion-free, it could be pretty nice.

I cannot tell from the whether there is a setback for the residential floors immediately above the commercial levels.

The biggest thing for me about the project was how they were going to treat The Homer building on the corner. Thankfully the tower does not awkwardly try to absorb it and reuse only the facade. Because of this I think the two will work well together on the street.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 12:20 AM
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I think it will work out to be pretty nice. I like L'Hermitage a lot and prefer the pairing of glass with a light coloured brick over painted concrete.

I think the quality of the glass on the podium will make or break this building. If they choose a nice flat clear glass, ideally mullion-free, it could be pretty nice.

I cannot tell from the whether there is a setback for the residential floors immediately above the commercial levels.
I think someone mentioned it would be painted concrete for the tower - despite the same architects, this tower is by Amacon which has built painted concrete towers (L'Hermitage was more upscale by Millennium).
The quality of the glass will make a big difference.
I don't think there's a setback above the commercial part - which to me causes the awkward look of the podium where the recessed balconies just start from nowhere. A setback would help a lot. It could just be a bad rendering - i.e. no setback shown at the corner, but now that I look closely, the window height on the first floor above the commercial looks shorter - which could indicate a setback.
That new render also doesn't show the relationship to the older office block next door - hopefully the interface will be ok.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 6:27 PM
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City blames lack of funding for not including affordable housing in downtown building project

Wednesday, March 05 - 09:25:00 AM

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The city of Vancouver is blaming a lack of funding for not building 216 affordable housing units at Georgia and Beatty in the downtown core.

The lot, owned by Concord Pacific, has been vacant for years. Recently, the developer agreed to pay the city $5 million. It's a payout to the city which, in return, has agreed to drop plans for mixed income housing at the site.

Concord owns seven other undeveloped sites in the area that are zoned to include affordable and market housing.

Council policy is that 20% of the units in new neighbourhoods must be affordable housing but the city will consider 'alternatives' if senior levels of government do not provide funding.
     
     
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FYI; I was in DTES this afternoon and saw that there is a great amount of demolition going on between Carrall and Abbott on Hasting right across Save on Meat, anyone knows if these slated building are part of Concord ?
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 11:03 PM
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The city should do as David Negrin of the UDI mentioned, instead of just allowing the developers to leave land set aside for social housing, is to acutally require the developers to build it. Of course this would need to be in exchange for even greater density, but so be it. The Social housing would at least be built and then reverted back to the city, and the developers would be happy as the excess density would pay for it, the city hasn't had to cough up any money (except for providing extra amenties to the extra population). The downside is more density then might be ideal in certain areas.
     
     
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Yes that is the Concord project set to go on sale mid this year. Holborn apparently will be developing the old Fields/Sunrise store in the near future as well.

It's easier to get a development permit on an empty lot then with a existing building onsite. (public doesn't tend to voice concerns as much)
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 11:10 PM
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Yes that is the Concord project set to go on sale mid this year. Holborn apparently will be developing the old Fields/Sunrise store in the near future as well.

It's easier to get a development permit on an empty lot then with a existing building onsite. (public doesn't tend to voice concerns as much)
COOL thanks

BTW: Concord hasn't yet open their new site, have you got any idea as to when, it seemed like an eternity since they being working on that site with lock stock and barrel rising behind fences

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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 11:31 PM
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BTW: Concord hasn't yet open their new site, have you got any idea as to when, it seemed like an eternity since they being working on that site with lock stock and barrel rising behind fences
Could be because they haven't had any new project launches in a while.
     
     
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The city should do as David Negrin of the UDI mentioned, instead of just allowing the developers to leave land set aside for social housing, is to acutally require the developers to build it. Of course this would need to be in exchange for even greater density, but so be it. The Social housing would at least be built and then reverted back to the city, and the developers would be happy as the excess density would pay for it, the city hasn't had to cough up any money (except for providing extra amenties to the extra population). The downside is more density then might be ideal in certain areas.
Agreed - the fact they can just buck up $5M to do away with 200+ units is pretty crappy - where is the incentive to get these built?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2008, 11:59 PM
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COOL thanks

BTW: Concord hasn't yet open their new site, have you got any idea as to when, it seemed like an eternity since they being working on that site with lock stock and barrel rising behind fences
Yeah, thanks jlousa.

That corner of Abbott and Hastings looks like a warzone at the moment! Bet it looks a little different in 2-3 years time
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 12:21 AM
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The city didn't have the money to proceed witht he project, so in reality there were zero units of social housing lost, at least they got $5.1 Million to go towards social housing on another site.
     
     
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The lighting effect is back on at The Melville.

Also, an update on the Amacon tower at 1133 Melville: Amacon is still pursuing an office tower on the site...but is targetting mid-2010 for demolition of the existing building (they are still doing short-term leases in the building until early 2010). With the long-delayed policy changes from the Metro core jobs study, as well as the fall election, Amacon was told it would be a lengthy rezoning process, and instead they are going to wait it out. The bizarre part is that it looks like they are going to let the 2 floors of residential remain vacant, rather than spend the money to upgrade them for a two year rental period. Seems a waste of housing space in such a prime spot...

The good news is that they are still interested in pursuing a taller tower on the site (Raggedy posted a couple of development options a while back), pending the outcome of the recommendations with regards to height and density relaxations in the metro core study.

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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 6:45 AM
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Taken from my place yesterday - 1212 Howe, Alto Excavation, and Pure topped out.

     
     
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 6:49 AM
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Taken from my place yesterday - 1212 Howe, Alto Excavation, and Pure topped out.

Yes, I nooticed 1212 Howe a couple of weeks ago. Amazing what a lick of paint and some upgrading of windows and interiors can do to the value of an old building.
I think they should do this more in the west end to get rid of the worst of the 70's towers and bring them up to modern standards. Full-height windows and no stucco can completely change the perception of an old building
     
     
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Since the BC Place thread is temporarily closed, I will post this here...

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Crown corporation that runs BC Place studying options

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Published: Wednesday, March 05, 2008

There will be a new roof on BC Place in time for the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.

But whether it will be the familiar air-supported roof that has graced Vancouver's skyline for 25 years, or a more modern open-centre roof has not yet been decided.

David Podmore, the chairman of PavCo, which owns BC Place, confirmed Wednesday the Crown corporation plans to replace the roof in the next 700 days, in time for the opening ceremonies of the Olympics.

He said the corporation is looking at a number of options: an identical inflated teflon dome, a rigid covering, a fixed fabric roof, a retractable fabric roof, or one with an open centre.

Podmore would not say how much the new roof would cost, but pledged it will be recovered through the development of condominium towers on property Pavco owns at the corners of the stadium.

That project, which has not yet received city council approval, is still in the concept stage and would not start until after the Games, he said.

A report assessing the options for the roof is nearly complete and will be sent to the provincial cabinet within a month, he said.

If he had his choice, Podmore said, he'd swap the air-supported dome for a more efficient retractable open-centre roof that would free Pavco of crippling energy bills that exceed $1.4 million a year.

"I think it is pretty obvious that if we could get rid of the air-supported feature, that would be great. It does impose constraints on the building in terms of what you can do," he said.

"I think if we are able to get there, we would more than likely cover the seating and hopefully have an opening over the centre field."

Podmore said Pavco's choices will be limited to options that can be completed in time for the Games.

"Obviously, we wouldn't undertake it if we weren't confident it could be done."

He also said only proven technology will be chosen.

"There are different systems around the world. I will tell you that we are looking at proven technology," he said. "We don't really want to invent something."

Because BC Place was built to support an inflatable roof, changing the roof system would also require structural changes and upgrades, including "beefing up" support structures, he said.

"The technical answer is that this building is designed to work in compression, so that everything is working to pull that building in," Podmore explained.

"If you introduce a system that places a load on that compression ring, the tendency is that is pushing the building out."

An engineering assessment of the building is being done. Pavco has also hired Dominion Construction as a construction manager.

Pavco officials began exploring options for a new roof last summer, following the accidental deflation of the dome in January 2007 when an end panel blew out. The accident sharpened debate about whether the stadium should be torn down or retained.

Ultimately, the government decided the province needs a stadium the size of BC Place and that it made no economic sense to take it down.

"I think the accident, if it did anything, was to make a lot of people think about this building," Podmore said. "My own impression is that people sort of ignored the building and that it brought them to think about it and realize it's a pretty valuable building."

Pavco asked for tenders for replacing the current roof from the three companies in the world that build air-supported structures - Bird Air, Fabri-tec and Hi-Tec. But it also decided to look at whether a more modern form of roof could be built.

"We have those bids and we are currently evaluating them. We are also looking at other options," Podmore said. "We are trying to assess the full range of options for the building, what the cost of those might be and the timetable for construction."

Warren Buckley, the CEO of Pavco, said the corporation looked at a number of stadiums around the world, including the Pusan Dome in Korea, the new Durban soccer arena and the Commerce Bank stadium in Frankfurt, as well as Wimbledon, which is being covered with a retractable roof.

All of those use technology that didn't exist when BC Place was built in 1983.

"I think the reality is that there are other treatments and opportunities for us now that didn't exist before that are really quite exciting," he said.

By converting to a retractable roof, Pavco would eliminate a major drain on its finances. Podmore said the cost of keeping the roof inflated is roughly the same as the corporation's $1.4 million annual deficit, which is covered by provincial taxpayers.

Podmore said the decision to replace the roof isn't being driven by the Olympics, but rather by the fact the teflon dome is at the end of its functional lifespan.

"It served us really well and it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody that it needs to be replaced. It's no different than your own home," he said. "There is a maximum of about four years before we have to replace it. So what we are endeavouring to do is to replace it before the Games."


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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 8:51 AM
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The latest Concord Pacific developments. I've lost track of the names of the individual buildings.













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Can anyone tell me what is being built here?

It is just off Robson and somewhat close to L'Hermitage. This is the nearest building to the pit for reference.


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Old Posted Mar 6, 2008, 6:09 PM
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Can anyone tell me what is being built here?

It is just off Robson and somewhat close to L'Hermitage. This is the nearest building to the pit for reference.
well, you're on homer between smythe and robson, are you sure it's not the "atelier" at 833 homer? that would be the long-time demo suite site plus rear parking.

found a little profile:

http://www.6717000.com/833homer/index.html

developer's site : http://www.atelieronrobson.com/

Update: yep, confirmed the siteplan on their website - it's definitely 833 homer.

here's the rendering:

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